American POW's

“Then I say change the rules of engagment to take away there "edge". We cannot fight within the rules, when the enemy does not. We found that out in the Revolutionary War.”

“You're right that Bush may not have said this directly, but you're wrong is saying that indications were not given by the hawks that that the battle would be swift and sure. Even more so, they NEVER gave indications that the invasion of Iraq could be a long conflict, despite questions from others outside the administration. Now they are covering their asses as the casualties start to mount.”

“Rosy, I have not heard a single administration member talk about this war without cautioning that it would be long and hard. Nor have I heard one television analyst do so.”

“A short war is the only thing I've seen discussed by neocons in more conservative forums than this.”

“The war is only five days old, dumbass. What is a long war, 30 days?”

“Long or short, it's funny to see people who were so pro war now cry babies when the going gets a little tough. Reality sucks, huh?”

“Gee, I'd really like to see UP and Mutt hike together.”

“Wouldn't it be funny if they were the same person?”

“GS -- and that comment would be in referance too?”

“UP and Mutt”

“Ultra! You're a loser! And everyone on this site thinks so!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!”

“I DON'T CARE.”

“Laqtis, some of our POW's were tortured last time round saw an interview with one yesterday. I expect the worst treament for our prisoners.

The DoD is currently investigating the death of 2 Afghani prisoners (in US Custody ) for deaths caused by "blunt force trauma" ruled as a "homicide" by Military investigators. Torture knows no nationality.

The idea of rules of war is odd. Killing people is about the most universal wrong that exists. We can try to sugar coat and sanitize it but war is what it is. I am saddened and angered to know that our troops have that burden to bear if captured. I also know that our people have the smae potential for brutality. When our troops are in the heat of battle wearing the brains of their dead buddy on their uniform we ask for restraint? I dont think so.

We had an agreement in my squad about POW's and Torture/executions. I imagine many other soldiers had the same conversation. War is an ugly thing, chivalry is a dangerous and antiquated idea in warfare. Unleash the hounds and let the strongest stand.”

“This kind of thread just shows me some people that I will never hike with. Saddams goin' down.”

“Wasn't that what Bush said about Usama bin Laden, also? If it takes as long to find Saddam as Usama, well............”

“Good points, Birch. Who remembers the hundreds of Taliban prisoners cooked alive in containers?

Short memories, people.”

“Hey Alaska, why don't you move to Iraq. Do us all a favor.”

“Jgeils, you realize that is the absolute weakest line of crap you can use, right?”

“Thanks for reminding us of Viet Nam. I pondered the similarity a while ago.”

“I have traced the root of my anger to this:

#1 - We have shown battlefield surrenders and people treated rather well, concidering. We have not executed ANYONE. We have not shown bullet riddled bodies, pulled there pants down to there ankles to show the bullet holes. Did you know that they shot one in the nuts on purpose? I suggest that you log on to the Aljeezera website. I think you will be as disgusted and enraged as I am. What purpose does this kind of "reporting" do? I think we all know. Why would "reporters" feel this is new worthy? Can any of our TT journalists lend me some insight?

#2 - Aljeezera plays to the Arab world/street and works against us media wise. I feel they play the "Great Satan" card too much. Other media outlets in that area are misleading the public on purpose. I saw a "newspaper" from the area that had a headline: "US Drops Atomic Bombs On Baghdad". Now, we all know that didn't happen, but people in the area will believe it.

Hey---I understand the fact that we have #&%!$ed up in the region, I won't even debate it. But when factors like this are happening, we will never make progress. they do not want us to have "proper" PR, they need us to be evil, it works in there favor. I just can't believe for the life of me that these people would rather have and support the Butcher of Baghdad & Company. Our rep would not be as bad as it is in the area if we did not have Aljeezra bull#&%!$ reporting.

Most if my Arab friends I know and grew up with support our troops and our actions. They and there families have left because of the Hussain "leadership". Some hae lost loved ones at his feet. Such a noble cause (liberation of Iraq, it's people...it's resourses....it's culture....) even if you feel that this is just about oil, you cannot deny the fact that this person needs to go. How many more must he kill before someone does something about it? Doesn't it make any sence at all that we, the US and all of what our forefathers fought and died for, should help other nations at least have a shot at what we have?

War for Oil? War for liberation? War for the people of Iraq? War on an Enviromental Criminal? It's not a war for just one point....it's all of them and many more we might not know.

Support our troops and remember the Iraqi people (past and present)during this time.”

“The war is only five days old, dumbass. What is a long war, 30 days?

5 days - that's already about 3 days longer than some of the more conservative arch-conservatives predicted.

Anyway, once again you fail to understand the very simple point of my post, which was to balance Geobeet's post by showing there was at the very least a strong undercurrent of sentiment among conservatives that this war would be over in days.

p.s. Don't you get tired of making such embarrassing public displays of ignorance?”

“Most of my Arab friends I know and grew up with

Is that made up? That sounds made up.

Why would you be upset about Arab media bias when it should have been obvious before the war that it would be heavily slanted?”

“I watch alot of news and read alot of articles by conservatives and I never saw anybody predict a two day war.

YOU are making crap up!

May I suggest a great big cup of shut the f*ck up?

Think before you say something stupid.”

“Thanks for pointing that out Phaedrus. You should be an expert on weak crap since you put out so much of it. I'll try to stay out of your territory from now on.”

“I watch alot of news and read alot of articles by conservatives

Now that's believable testimony! I mean, it's obvious from the absolute dearth of coherent argument from you and your total reliance on trite ad homs that you are quite a guru of political analysis!

ANYONE can watch TV and force their eyes to follow the print in an article, but that doesn't necessarily make one comprehending or insightful. You see my point? So far, the only "insight" (if you can call it that) I've seen you display is spewing bile at your perceived opponents.

Like I've said many times to you before - make a well reasoned and original argument regarding the war, and I'll make a serious reply to it. Otherwise, when you post again, you're just making more of a fool of yourself! (like that's possible)”

“Mutt - Not made up. I grew up in an area of Detroit that was concidered "little Iraq" until another area took on that honor. I have many Arab friends, past and present. I patonize there businesses as well. Also, I do not make things up to prove a point.”

“Fair enough, laqtis. I've just seen that claim made before, and after probing, it has almost always turned out to be an overstatement at the least. Thanks for clarifying”

“Your comments aren't as whitty as they used to be, Mutt. You are starting to bore me.

I've been a conservative my whole life. I served in Desert Storm in the 1st Infantry Divison (Mech) and I was also stationed in Sinop Turkey for a one year hardship tour. I've probably done more and seen more in that part of the world than you. I know alot about the military and military history. I don't get all my intellectual prowless from watching television and reading. I'd like to how you expect people to believe the sh*t you obviously make up.

Until you've picked up a weapon and defended this nation your knowledge and political slant is meaningless to me.







Now hurry up and try and think of something really stupid to say in response.”

“As bad as I feel for the service men and women killed/hurt/captured, and their families, I have to interject something here.
You think this recent POW PR thing of Saddam's is brutal? Read some history.

I'm not condoning SH's tactics or anything here, in any way, but we're going to have to get thicker skin than this if we want to a win a war...”

“Well do share your intellectual "prowless", ultraPecker! I take you at your word on your accomplishments, and I'm curious to see what insight you possess.”

“does al jazeera have a website?”

“Just to keep the record straight, there most certainly were neo-cons arguing that this would be a cakewalk.

There are any number of administration and military people who remember talk of a short 2 day war.

Thank God Tommy Franks won at least part of the argument for larger numbers of ground forces.”

“Just to keep the record straight, there most certainly were neo-cons arguing that this would be a cakewalk.

There are any number of administration and military people who remember talk of a short 2 day war.

Thank God Tommy Franks won at least part of the argument for larger numbers of ground forces.”

“jmitch - yep: www.aljazeera.net

if that address doen't work, try a google search. At work here, I can't load it and I'm doing the best off of the top of my head.”

“I read your links Violin and they are horsesh*t. Reads like liberal bias to me.

Siting unnamed officials? The National Enquirer can do that.

The war is now six days old. We are on the outskirts of Baghdad. NOBODY can predict what will happen next or how long this war will be. Anyone who makes a prediction is doing just that, they are guessing. Weathermen do it all the time. Predictions are NOT FACT! I suggest you learn the difference.”

“wow - we have linkage :o)”

“That is very good news. Thanks for posting that, unpronounceable name.

PECKERhead – Do you have any clue who Ken Adelman is? Robin Dorff? Liberal bias my ass. Hahahaha!”

“Anybody watch the Pentagon briefing? Rumsfeld and General Meyers both DENIED saying any such thing about this war being a cake walk or two day war. They say and have said repeatedly that the duration of the war is not knowable.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.”

“It was never said openly, any politician would be a fool to say anything of the sort. Subtle methods would be used - leaks to the new york times, stories about powerful weapons, news about the degraded Iraqi military, the hype around the Shock and Awe - it was all built up to sound easy. It's a normal political use of smoke and mirrors.”

“After all these people are in charge. They are not people out of the loop.”

“but having said that, I don't think that five days represents a long war”

“Media and retired generals were the ones that hyped the cake walk scenerio.”

“the media doesn't just make these things up - as many would like to think - journalists are often pointed in the right direction. Leaked information is seen as the way of getting a story across without saying anything openly. I'm not talking about the views of pundits, more the constant stream of news which came from "senior administration sources" - and "senior military officials"”

“No kidding. Granada took some 6 days and it was an ass’s pimple compared to a nation that was once #5 AND with WMD. Anyone who thinks any politician would say 2 days has their head buried so far up their ass they can see Jimmy Hoffa. And why can’t anyone who’s claimed this provide a direct quote?”

“Adelman is a Defense Policy Board member and personal friend of Cheney and Rumsfeld. He's hardly out of the loop. I provided a direct link to his editorial.”

“The government uses the media to help deliver the message that fighting was futile and that the Iraqis should just capitulate rather than fight and die. Shock and awe was psychological. It was not going to end the war in two days. Anyone with half a brain knows that.”

“but it also uses the media to try to gain popular support for it's policy. And to get that support they needed to get the message across that this would be a fairly strightforward operation - which they did.”

“So, Rumsfeld and General Meyers just lied to the media pool at the Pentagon briefing about the two day scenerio? Violin, do you believe everything you read?”