American POW's

“Pecker, give me one good reason to believe you were in Desert Storm.

1. You post under a troll name that was created during a thread about another troll, so you obviously have another username. If you are a veteran, why not admit it under your real username?

2. You use your personal experiences in the ME as weak justification for your arguments which are just as weak.

3. You use you personal experiences in the military to support your bias against those who have different vewipoints.

Overall, it sounds like you are a fraud. If you aren't please accept my apologies, one Gulf War veteran to another - and it might be a good thing to post under a non-troll name so as to avoid the appearance of being a 17-year-old with nothing better to do. If, however, I'm right, please consider your situation. You assertions are not being believed, so you may as well quit making them.

Overall, most of your propaganda postings are irrelevant and purposely incendiary - the hallmarks of trolldom. If you're trying to make a valid point, you're going about it in so moronic a way as to be pititful.”

“No you gave a direct link to a pile of crap V Man.

"This is the ground war that was not going to happen in (Rumsfeld's) plan," said a Pentagon official. Because the Pentagon didn't commit overwhelming force, "now we have three divisions strung out over 300-plus miles and the follow-on division, our reserve, is probably three weeks away from landing."

….said a Pentagon official. Which one?

“Knowledgeable defense and administration officials say Rumsfeld and his civilian aides at first wanted to commit no more than 60,000 American troops to the war on the assumption that the Iraqis would capitulate in two days.”

….Knowledgeable defense and administration officials Which one?

“Intelligence officials say Rumsfeld, his deputy Paul Wolfowitz and other Pentagon civilians ignored much of the advice of the Central Intelligence Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agency in favor of reports from the Iraqi opposition and from Israeli sources that predicted an immediate uprising against Saddam once the Americans attacked.”

…Intelligence officials say Which intelligence officials?

Gee, if it’s in writing it must be true. Don’t be so damn gullible Viola and read only what you want to see.”

“This is my real username. A lurker can't come in and post under a troll name? After all anyone new is going to be called a troll anyway.

I've had other troll names in the past but now I just stick to this one. Actually I've lost the passwords to the other troll names or I'd post under them to show you.

Anyway I accept your apology, Phaedrus. What evidence do you want that I'am a verteran?”

“"Until you've picked up a weapon and defended this nation your knowledge and political slant is meaningless to me."

ULTRAPecker
09:51:21 AM
03/25/03

http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html”

“Yeah, I thought that remark was particularly moronic comment Ultra.”

“I'm entitled to make that statement. After all this is a free country. I was referring to Mutt especially.

Tilt, your link is crap. Ann Coulter avoided Desert Storm? I didn't know there was a draft back then. President Bush wasn't in the Air National Guard? What a load of crap.”

“Looks like you can't believe anything that that emanates from the current administration, according to your own 'logic'.”

“I should of said until you've served your country, your knowledge and political slant means nothing to me.

My bad.

Please forgive me. Oh great ones.”

“Not to beat a dead horse, but now Iraqi TV/radio network is down and off the air. Thank you, it's a couple of days too late, but we'll take it. Is there anyway I might be able to order one up for Aljazeera? I noticed that there website is down as well, along with there new English version of the site. I hope it stays this way....

Sorry, this will be one of my last posts on this thread.


Support our troops and please remember the Iraqi people (past and present) tonight.”

“Well, I ain't done yet!

To all the naysayers who seemed to think that Rummy, Bush, Cheney and others weren't giving off the vibe that this little military action was going to be quick...

"After meeting with Rumsfeld and other war commanders at the Pentagon, Bush said, "We cannot know the duration of this war, yet we know its outcome -- we will prevail."

A few hours later, Rumsfeld had a series of testy exchanges with reporters over the early course of the war.

"The resistance that's being encountered was expected," he said. "It has not affected coalition progress. Iraqi forces are capitulating by the thousands."

But the reporters focused on the Iraqi fighters who are not capitulating -- those who have dug in at Basra, mined the port of Umm Qasr, and launched grenades at allied troops advancing toward Baghdad.

One moment, Rumsfeld was complaining about the Iraqis not fighting fairly: "The regime has committed acts of treachery on the battlefield -- dressing their forces as liberated civilians; and sending soldiers out waving white flags and feigning surrender, with the goal of drawing coalition forces into ambushes; using Red Cross vehicles to courier military instructions."

The next moment, Rumsfeld was dismissing the significance of such tactics, practiced, he said derisively, by "dead-enders."

"I'm not going to call them troops because they're traveling in civilian clothes and they're essentially terrorists," Rumsfeld said. "They do not represent a serious threat to the success of this campaign. What they do represent is a terrorist-type threat."

Andrew Bacevich, a national security professor at Boston University, said U.S. and British leaders might be falling victim to unrealistic hopes for a quick victory that they themselves helped create before the war started.

"Rumsfeld is right to say that it is still early," Bacevich said. "There are no indications that this war will have any outcome other than an Anglo-American victory. Having said that, it is clear that the 'shock and awe' bombing fell short of its expectations. It is also clear that resistance in the south has not collapsed as quickly as expected."

Bacevich added: "In all wars the unexpected happens. The Pentagon is now reacting to these unexpected developments. One wonders why Rumsfeld and his commanders don't just acknowledge that."

Instead of acknowledging the unexpected, Rumsfeld dug in his heels.

He reminded reporters that many from their ranks had expressed similar skepticism in the early days of the Afghanistan military campaign in fall 2001.

"If you go back to the Afghanistan situation, it was only a few days into it that it was described by one of the newspapers here as a 'quagmire,' " Rumsfeld said. "And it was a matter of days later that things looked quite good and, as I recall, Mazar-e-Sharif fell, and then the other cities began to fall."

Rumsfeld, though, is dealing with grumbling from some subordinates within the Pentagon who say that he overruled suggestions for sending a heavier and more numerous ground force into Iraq, in favor of lighter, more mobile units backed by air strikes.

Richard Betts, a defense policy professor at Columbia University and a member of the National Commission on Terrorism, said the number of U.S. troops will seem too small if fedayeen guerrillas continue to harass supply lines and ambush small units that fall behind.

"One rationale for doing this on a shoestring -- in terms of the number of troops and armored units -- was that the Iraqi resistance would collapse quickly and everyone would either welcome us or run for the exits," Betts said. "But you can't bypass towns in order to concentrate forces against Baghdad, or leave supply lines unprotected, without risking counterattacks."

The reason Rummy didn't go along with POwell's suggestions of hitting them with everything we have was because he wasn't expecting a fight = he thought it was going to be easy!”

“Good post, roseymonster.

I've confronted some of the loudmouth neocons I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread about their predictions for a 3 day war. All I got in reply was crickets....

Rumsfeld and a lot of neocons have egg on their faces right now. The combined arrogance and ignorance (of Iraqis) of Bush's Chickenhawks are going to cost us unnecessary loss of life in this war.”

“The sound of crickets as Mutt posts.”

“lol! Ironic, isn't it?”

“The length of the war will be directly proportional to the acceptable amount of collateral damage.”

“Whelp, things aren't loking too good today, now are they?

This keeps up and the US is going to have all of Iraq against them.”

“Rosey, its war. No day looks particularily good.”