WMD?

“Did they find them?

http://msnbc.com/news/895392_asp.htm?0cv=CA01”

“Sounds like nothing is verified yet. I reckon Iraq has some, somewhere (and if not, someone else will supply the necessary evidence - too much is at stake if they don't).”

“It was pesticides, not WMD. Just heard it on radio...”

“Pesticide warheads?”

“...(and if not, someone else will supply the necessary evidence - too much is at stake if they don't)."
pedxing
03:09:23 PM
04/07/03

Right, and we're going to suck up all the oil, too...”

“If you don't believe evidence would be manufactured if it weren't found - I've got some bridges to sell you.

Phony evidence appeared in advance to support the invasion - I can't believe you'd imagine it would appear, if needed to justify the invasion.

Still, I think there is real stuff somewhere - I could be wrong - but I'd be surprised if there wasn't any.”

“NPR is apparently reporting that medium range warheads with chemical weapons have been found. It's on drudgereport.”

“Yeah Rush Limbaugh was crowing about this earlier on the radio. The news shows seem cautious about discussing this though.”

“pedxing, As an American I am insulted by your remarks. You believe Saddam Hussein and accuse that the American men and women who are fighting this war will fabricate evidence?

You are pathetic. I always wondered how conspiracy theorists can dismiss the facts and base opinion on myths. Lots of demons in that head of yours.”

“What facts are those, bacpac? Where are the chemical weapons? Last night it was reported American soldiers are no longer wearing protective chemical gear because the threat doesn't exist. Where is the nuclear weapons program Bush accused Iraq of? It's truly pathetic morons like you who believe the assinine propaganda from Limbaugh and Bush, which was generated by some soldier who found a "drum of chemicals" which is nothing more than a false positive to the pesticides.

You are pathetic, bacpac. I always wondered how pathological liars and propagandists can dismiss the facts and base opinion on fantasy and disinformation. Lots of demons in that head of yours.”

“Rush is the cause of the stain in 'Dubya's shorts'.After the police search you with no results a few times, then they come at you with their own evidence.To suggest that the USA wouldn't heatup their own 'smoking gun' is true ignorance.”

“Bacpac: If you read what I said, I said that I believed there were WMD in Iraq. How the heck do you read that I believe Sadam Hussein. Do you ever think before you shoot your mouth off?”

“I don't doubt for a minute that Hussein would say whatever he wanted, regardless of the truth. I never supported or trusted him - and I was appalled that the US was backing him when he invaded Iran, appalled that they gave him the green light and that they kept playing footsie with him when he used chemical weapons on Iranians and Kurds.

I think the Bush boys are more likely to tell the truth than Sadam - but they've already provided false info about Iraq to make their case for war. Do your demons keep you from noticing that fact!?

Note, I can't claim to know where the false info came from - just that Bush boys picked the it up and ran with it until someone else pointed out it was bogus.”

“I am curious Bacpac. Where in the world did you get the idea that I believed anything Sadam Hussein said? You keep attacking me for saying things I never said. It certainly makes it hard for me to believe that you understand anything else you read.”

“pedxing, bacpac is typical of Republican propaganda...it's all lies and BS.”

“Here's some required reading for all morons:

http://msnbc.com/news/895392.asp”

“Intersting link... I think it actually speaks to the credibility of the people doing the analysis that they find nothing. If it was Sadam's folks doing the checking, it would have been verified.

That still doesn't erase my skepticism though.”

“Actually it doesn't do anything for US credibility because the public only sees the initial bogus report and never see the truth that's buried in the news a day later. All they remember is "Chemical weapons found." That's the tactic employed by Bush's propaganda machine.”

“I don't believe anything Bush says. Period.

RE: The Fat Lady is Clearing her throat

why is anyone happy about this????
"So dubya will be the Pretender of the U.S.

He is nothing but a scumbag anyway.

He was arrested for theft in 1968 and lied about it.

DUI in 1972 and lied about it.

DUI in 1976 and lied about it.

History of drug and alcohol abuse and lied about it.

Refused to take a drug test in the National Guard (fear of failure?) and lied about it.

Was AWOL for 18 months and lied about it.

Entered into business deals with known organized crime figures.


That's three strikes and you are out. In 42 states dubya would be classified as career criminal.

This loser is nothing more than a clinton clone who happens to be a republican."
gordon
03:35:54 PM
12/08/00”

“And his lies regarding associating with Kenneth Lay.”

“i am glad i'm not bacpac...that kinda hurt, i bet...ouchie!”

“Wow... Gordon quotes!

I'm getting all misty-eyed, <G>”

“Bacpac: I'd have more respect for you if you could admit when you are wrong.

You accused me of trusting Hussein in response to a post in which I clearly said that I did not (i.e. I said I thought there were wmd's in Iraq).”

“Just for the record, I mentioned Limbaugh, because he was quoting NPR radio. But I do believe that Hussein was hiding WMD and I also believe that the administration is using information for a propaganda campaign, although to me it seems like in self defense to counteract all the vocal naysayers with their hands over their ears, and eyes tightly shut.”

“I'm curious. Who else besides ped read the link entitled "required reading for all morons"?
8D”

“Why didn't Alaska simply ask which of us counts ourselves as morons? I like people who are direct, it is less wussie-like.”

“Obviously TT'ers who were required to read it rebelled and ignored it. I read it cuzz it was optional.”

“I miss gordon”

“I had already read it before Alaska posted it. Most of the news sites have similar articles on Iraqi possible WMD finds that are revised every day or more. I just find it impossible to believe that Hussein would buy a ton of chem suits and nerve antidotes, as an error in his shopping. That those suits and antidotes were inadvertantly stored with weapons caches in schools and hospitals makes me beyond skeptical. There were clear rules as to what Iraq could buy with oil money and obviously he was buying things that were off the list instead. This war needed to be done, and that fact that it was opposed by France and Russia may have been the one thing that prevented the Iraqis from using these weapons on our troops, hoping that world opinion would persuade us to stop and leave before Saddam was toppled.

This will continue to be a dangerous time as far as WMD go and our leadership needs to look for a broad answer to this. We all need to understand how chemicals and biological agents are weaponized, how to protect against it, and as citizens, what to watch for.

Nuclear weapons will be had by many more countries in a not too distant future. How do we as a world, assure that an oppressed country run by a dictator or a cluster of brutal leaders, doesn't start to threaten the world with these weapons? We have to plan to deal with these issues, not just yak about it. Are we going to see the UN splinter into several factions of like-minded or economically connected countries? What does that mean for the future? I would like to discuss these issues with knowledgeable people who don't have an axe to grind, because I would like to know more about what is happening.”

“Lyndy: I do think there are wmd - in Iraq... but I don't see how decontamination suits and similar protective gear proves the case - after all, if we are going to war over the fact that womeone else might use wmd against us - then wouldn't it be reasonable for other countries to also buy protective gear to defend yourself against someone elses weapons?”

“Pedxing, who else has used these weapons except Iraq? Maybe I am missing some info here, I thought that Iraq was the only one. Are you saying that you think that the average Iraqi soldier would be carrying gas masks, as well as all the other stuff he needs to carry, because he thought that the US would use these weapons on Iraqis? I think that it would be more likely that he would choose to carry more bullets. These Iraqi soldiers knew that Hussein had used these chemicals on Kurds and might use them on the US.”

“There was also talk that we might use non-lethal gas to avoid street to street combat in Baghdad, so the suits don't prove a thing. Frankly we’ve been in a period when there is so much misinformation flying around, it’s hard to tell what is fact. Were there really kits with atropine found? How old were they? Is it possible that all the WMD’s were smuggled out of the country to make us look bad? If so, who controls it now? Have our forces searched those underground tunnel complexes in Baghdad we were told about?”

“Non-lethal gas like the Russians used on those Chechnyan that took that theater.”

“Wouldn't surprise me if we now hear Rumsfeld say the Syrians have the Iraqi WMDs, then once Syria is Invaded it'll be Iran........”

“I’m of the impression that chemical weapons aren’t terribly reliable. A modern army can be 100% protected against them and they can blow back on the attackers as it did in a few battles in the Iraq/Iran war.”

“Yikes! See, we need to find a way to handle this problem, because you can't go country to country like that.

Violin, I think that theater mess just proved that chemical gasses are very hard to use in a controlled way. Maybe the hype was that the U.S. might use it in an urban fighting situation, but I don't think that most people believed it, because of the risk to civilians, just like what happened in the Russian theater.”

“Okay Violin posted before me there.”

“My fear is that the invasion of Iraq has given oppressive or anti-american regimes one of two options. Fall into line or acquire nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons would seem to be the only deterrant to stop a US and British invasion.
I really do hope I'm wrong and that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have pulled off a masterstroke. Only time will tell I guess.”

“Lyndy - lots of countries have chemical and bio weapons programs - as well as nuclear and lots of countries have ways to combat it.

Lots of countries have used chemical weapons in the distant past - and there are more recent allegations. The US was alleged to have used them in the 70s, but the evidence was shaky - still Sadam could be worried.

I don't know what the equipment was there for, or how old it was... it may well have been part of an offensive WMD capability Hussein's thugs built.”

“"This loser is nothing more than a clinton clone who happens to be a republican."

And he still beat out the best the demos could come up with.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.”

“I'm glad the Guardian doesn't have an agenda.

There is some interesting information at both of these sites:

http://cns.miis.edu/research/cbw/possess.htm

http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/weapons/weapon.asp?ID=2&weapon=chemical


My great uncle survived a WWI mustard gas attack. As horrific as that was (he was effected for the rest of his life) it was a lot less effective than a well placed bullet.”

“Is it possible that Bush didn't sign the agreement because of how many years of inspections in Iraq that proved frustrating and ineffective? Maybe he felt that inspections and threat of punishment for infractions were about as frightening as wet noodle whipping.”

“What facts are those, bacpac? Where are the chemical weapons? Last night it was reported American soldiers are no longer wearing protective chemical gear because the threat doesn't exist.

Alaska
09:35:12 PM
04/08/03

The Bush Administration presented a lot of evidence to the UN. Try watching CSPAN instead of Sponge Bob.”

“SpongeBac SquarePac”

“"If you don't believe evidence would be manufactured if it weren't found - I've got some bridges to sell you.

Phony evidence appeared in advance to support the invasion - I can't believe you'd imagine it would appear, if needed to justify the invasion.

Still, I think there is real stuff somewhere - I could be wrong - but I'd be surprised if there wasn't any."
pedxing
04:14:18 PM
04/07/03

You state that the evidence is phony. You claim that it will be fabricated by the US soldiers.

It appears to me that you support Saddam's rhetoric.”

“Ok, the Guardian does have a left-wing agenda, that doesn't invalidate everything it says. But the point was that the US did refuse to sign up for this treaty, much to the annoyance of the UK, which had been a substantial player in getting the concept to that stage.”

“You have been following the news closely enough to know that many items that were presented to the UN and the US public as justification for this war were not true, haven't you bacpac?”

“And pedxing didn't necessarily imply that soldiers would plant evidence. Doesn't the CIA have a dirty tricks dept. for that kind of stuff?”

“Yes violin they do. They're planting anthrax evidence at your house now.”