Peace Marchers

“I saw that the San Francisco PD used flash bangs, bean bag and rubber bullets to break up a bunch of war protesters.

How cool is that? Those brats were stepping and fetching :-)

Moooo Haaaaahaaaaa”

“According to reports, the protestors refused to follow orders to disperse and some of them threw iron bolts and other items at the police.

The use of force by the San Fran PD was more than justified, IMO.”

“I saw signs today on the highway that said
"We Americans love our soldiers and support their loved ones"

Some of these soldiers are not coming home to their children and we need to embrace all the military families who are not sleeping at night right now.”

“I saw some anti-war protestors on the street today. One was holding a sign that read "America = terrorists". Totally inappropriate, IMO. I gave her the bird.”

“its the gleeful attitude towards violence shared by you and others like you (notice im singling you out, and leaving out artex and lyndy) that sickens me. you probably cheer everytime you hear about a truck driver plowing thru a demonstration or police pepper-spraying protestors. i see the necessity of what we are doing in iraq, and i suppport our boys, and i also support the right of ppl to dissent. its time to stop being a neanderthal and grow the hell up. bloody violence is sometimes a necessary evil, but its never something to be enjoyed. go join a hockey team if youve got some pent-up rage. thats what sports teams are for.”

“oh yea, and dont forget to call me a whiny left-wing whacko or something really clever.”

“Trucks?People?

Cool.

8)”

“Definitely some of the protestors cross a line. Funny, they should know that the end does not justify the means.

America = terrorism is whacked!”

“I thought so too, pedxing. I'll admit, it angers me when I see people protesting the war, because I know it makes our troops, who our putting their lives on the line, feel weary. However, it is a free country and expressing beliefs is one of the things that makes America great. But that "America = Terrorists" just brought me a bit over the edge and I had to exercise my right to free speech and flip that girl off. Not as classy as I would have liked to been, but I also don't feel bad about it.”

“Just what do you call it when we support regimes around the world that use torture and murder to subjugate their populations or keep their neighbors in check?”

“Good point Violin!

8|”

“Scum, the likes of bacpac, is exactly why billions of people around the world want to see Americans die. Bacpac gives America a bad name. If terrorists were to concentrate their efforts on scum like bacpac and peckerhead, this country would be better off. I just hope that when the future attacks come against America, which by the way Bush guaranteed, they happen on the east coast and midwest where the support for the war comes from. Please, terrorists, its the right wing that support the war against Arabs, go after them when you are looking for a target.”

“Violin: First of all, I wouldn't call US supportfor a variety of governments - some democratic and peaceful, some brutal and visious terroristic. Secondly, even if I did, I would not say that America = its foreign policy, least of all the worst aspects of its foreign policy.

I think the loyalty, courage, patriotism and professionalism of our troops are being ill used. Once in there - which I feel they shouldn't be - these virtues are important. If they were not willing to follow orders to the best of their ability and risk their lives, things would be far worse. I am afraid that backing out at this point would be worse than staying the course - assuming we do things right from here on in. So, I am left in a quandry - outraged by Bush's choices, knowing that he counted on us all rallying around the flag in pushing this war - but feeling there is little I can do that's constructive.”

“arty, i support your right to flip off as many ill-informed pinko bra-burning tree-hugging limp-wristed left-wing liberal nut-jobs as you want. but please keep one hand on the wheel : )”

“I saw one protestor a couple weeks ago that really moved me. He looked to be at about 80 and was in a wheel chair. He sat alone with a hand drawn sign that said "Pearl Harbor survivor against pre-emptive war."”

“ter·ror·ism:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Support for the Contras in Honduras

Pinochet in Chile

South Africa under apartheid

Egypt

Jordan

Argentina”

“How about: Iraq during the 80's

Gas what gas?”

“o man my smiley face got split in half!

ya know, the left should actually be thrilled about this war. its the right (republicans) vs extreme right (arabs). maybe if we can get enough lefties together, they can help the extreme righties, and the righties and extreme righties will wipe each other out, with minimal loss of lefties, because at the last second they will all run like little girlie-men”

“Screw you sissy.”

“nice comeback”

“I wrote the following, a continuation of some other material several weeks ago:

In some countries you do not want to lose!
Chat wrap: Latif Yahia
The horrors of Saddam's 'sadist' son


I hope this material does not disturb you too much. Not all the world, or even any, is a utopia. I just have been upset about some of the peace demonstrations.

Hardly any of the protesters know any of the dangers of chemical and biological agents. I have had experiences at:
Edgewood, NJ - Army Chemical Corps Headquarters
Aberdeen, MD - Military Research and Test Center
Ft. Detrick, MD - Chemical and Biological Research Base
Dugway Proving Ground, Utah - Research and Testing Area
NOTS (Navy Ordnance Test Station), CA - Test Location
Plus other places.
In addition, in this area I have aided in the development of mathematics and have had a computer program published.

If any of the protesters had just a little of my experience, they, too, would be deathly afraid of anyone that might release things available in this field. Saddam has used chemicals against Iran. He is a definite threat to my life and your life.

I am for peace, but, more so, I am in favor of survival.

Love, Daddy”

“For cut and paste, to avoid a possible sign-in requirement.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=2934

http://espn.go.com/oly/s/2002/1220/1480103.html”

“for give me, ns, but im not sure where youre going with this. i dont agree with the protestors point of view, but i do believe they should be left the hell alone for the most part. and we shouldnt be thrilled when they are attacked.”

“Attacked? When they block traffic, etc., they are the attackers!

Protesters are primarily blind followers misled by "professional" organizers and are ignorant of most of the true facts!

I am a protester of protesters! Especially when they violate rights of others, like the other day in Chicago when they blocked traffic for hours. In a faint way they are like motorists who obstruct others (like those behind) in unnecessarily yielding the right of way to others, while thinking that they are doing a good deed.”

“nowslimmer, please put on a t-shirt that says "I am proud to be an American" and walk down the streets of Cairo, Tehran, or Gaza.”

“or Baghdad.”

“You know "rights" are not the same around the world. Whenever I am in a foreign country, I adjust my attitude to the fact that I am the foreigner and the others are natives. I am respectful.

But keep those protests off the "Outer Drive!"”

“I'll bet you're as respectful as the American military in Bagdad. How appropriate that a US tank had to blast a statue of Saddam today. Couldn't leave that to the Iraqi people to do it themselves because as Bush found out, the Americans are not welcome in Iraq contrary to the BS that the Bush propaganda that Iraqis would welcome Americans. Even in Basra, where they hate Saddam, the invaders are getting a cool reception.”

“I'm honored. Not every day do I get flamed by two trolls.”

“No flaming here nonslimmer. The only one flaming is Alaska.”

“blocking traffic justifies running someone over? wrong. to the protestors, they are doing something that they feel is for a larger good than making somebody 20 minutes late to the mall. and, right or wrong, it is a bigger issue. are alot of the protestors a pain? yes. are alot of them hypocrites? yes. should we give in to our animal urges to wound those who piss us off? no. 2 million years of evolution, and this is how we react? we're goddamn animals, and im #&%!$ing sick of us.”

“Alaska works for the Iraqi Ministry of Information. They are always right!”

“i hope you werent calling me a troll, old sport? we hiked together at ocala last feb”

“I don't know who said this during OLP this weekend, but her it is "do they really think by holding up trafic bush will pull the troops out?"”

“1) There is a difference between supporting governments that committ terrorism and terrorism.

2) Once again, a country does not equal its foreign policy, let alone certain aspects of its foreign policy.

3)The definition of terrorism you cite is so broad that it's meaningless. It could be applied to any legal system. Every society with a legal system uses the threat of forced incarceration to insure obedience to the laws... therefore every government would be using terrorism. What you end up with is a distinction without a difference.

I'm very critical of US foreign policy - but I think the word terrorism should mean something.

BTW: I don't think the car bombing against US soldiers or the bombing of the Marine barracks were terrorism. They were acts of war, perhpas war crimes (because of the use of civilian disguises).”

“pedx, would you agree that a distinction can be made by saying an act of war is state-sponsored, and terrorism is independent of nationality?”

“the american heritage college dictionary defines terrorism as: the UNLAWFUL (caps mine) use or threatened use of force or violence to intimidate or coerce societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.”

“"Illegal" is an interesting word - because it depends on whose laws we are talking about.

I don't like the State sponsored distinction 2scoops, because it means that whether something is terrorist depends on whether the perpetrators are in power.

For me, the distinction has to do with the deliberate targeting of lethal violence against civilians. Of course, I am partly arguing about what "terrorism" should mean... but I'd work with other people's definition if they used it consistently.

"Shock and awe" sounds like another way of saying "terror" - but when the people targeted for the shock and awe campaign are soldiers, I don't think its terrorism.”

“they seem to think so. however, i think theyre quite silly. these are much more complicated times than say, the 1770s and the boston tea party. protests dont work anymore. you have to change things from the inside.”

“I can't believe those of you who support protestors blocking traffic. The constitution guarantees LAWFUL assembly. In most states, if not all, blocking the traveled portion of the roadway is UNlawful. The anti war types are upset that we don't allow "international" law (in the form of the International Criminal Court) to remove saddam, yet these same protestors can't obey simple traffic laws.”

“The protesters attacked the police. The dogooders on this site are so far from reality they should be and are dismissed by most people.

It is all conspiracy theories and extreemism with these sissies.”

“I’m really surprised you are so hung up on semantics ped. When we train and fund forces that use torture, rape, maiming and killings to further some political goal, we are participating in terrorism. There are tens or hundreds of thousands of Central American victims alone. It’s not a pretty picture but you’re playing word games. Would you prefer to say that we are guilty of ignoring ‘human rights’? There may be a legitimate and overriding larger goal, but the cost should be honestly examined.”

“Ya got it ass-backwards, Suzie, the police attacked the protesters and continued to hit them with projectiles as they fled.

I believe punishment is to be carried out by the courts, not out-of-control police.”

“The police turned on some of the longshoremen who were waiting to see if they would be able to go to work.

Hmmmm, collateral damage?”

“"nowslimmer, please put on a t-shirt that says "I am proud to be an American" and walk down the streets of Cairo, Tehran, or Gaza."
Alaska
10:16:22 PM
04/07/03

Flip that statement so it reads that someone from Cairo, Tehran, or Gaza wore a T-shirt that siad I am proud to be an Arab and have him walk down any street in America.

Now which person would be safer.

"They" hate us because we have freedoms that they can't even begin to comprehend. "They" only know what they are told by their "masters" - the mullas, the shieks, the princes, the kings and dictators that run their lives. "They" hate us because they are told to hate us. "They" are told to hate us because their "masters" know that if they ever really learn what it truly is to be an American they will throw off there shackles and learn to be independent. To choose which master they want to serve be it a God, the almighty dollar, an environmental cause, or whatever.

"They" hate us, because they don't know "us". They only know the "us" that is spoonfed to them.”

“Yep. As I remember, "The mass of men live lives of quiet desperation." Others backpack.”

“Vi0: Words have meaning. Highly charged words should be used with some care and precision - or else we are just name calling. If you are going to to name call, you might as well do it with more flair. You don't have to use pretty words, just accurate ones - remember "truth." Is it too complicated to say "the US has provided military, financial and intelligence assistance to vicious and brutal dictatorships." I won't even insist that you mention the support the US has also given those kinds of assistance to democratic and peaceful governments. US = terrorism is far more misleading than your standard bumper sticker compatible slogan.


I haven't seen enough info on what happened with the SF protest to know what happened. Basically, I don't see getting all hot and bothered about people who engage in non-violent civil disobedience. People who do that kind of thing should be arrested (but not beaten). If people were throwing bolts and other hard objects at cops who were only doing their job, then that's wrong. If cops started beating on people who were non-violent, that's wrong.

I've seen demonstrations that were basically police riots - I've also seen protestors hurl things at cops who tried really hard to maintain their cool.”

“Pssssttt!

The petroleum companies are in bed with the sheiks and moolahs!”

“Um, just a couple points here and I’ll shut my hole.

Point #1:

“16 May, 1918
The U.S. Sedition Act
United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff. A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917.SECTION 3.


Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both.…”

Draw your own conclusions.

Point #2:

These protesters claim they are trying to stop the war (and thereby saving lives) by blocking support shipments to the mid east. What these fooled folks fail to understand is that 95% of these shipments are food and supplies for the Iraqi people.

A great example of just how much these people actually know about what they stand for as well as who they are holding hands with check out Protesting the Protesters I and II here:

http://www.brain-terminal.com/video/nyc-2003-02-15/index.html”