Clinton and Media Bias

“Hear Hear, sierra. You and I have both married women from outside the US, which tends to bring cultural differences a little closer to home.”

“I got you both beat, I married and divorced one.”

“Traveling a lot and especially living abroad helps quite a bit too, hey Phaedrus?”

“'Abroad'?

<argh>”

“I think there needs to be action from both sides. While i think Americans need to become a little more internationally minded and realize that they are humans first and Americans second, there is also an irrational resentment of Americans from overseas.
American bashing goes on all the time, but these people need to be realistic, and put America's superpower status in comparison to the alternatives.”

“"'Abroad'?

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Tilt
11:13:51 AM
09/08/03

Overseas?”

“Living with abroad from abroad? <G>”

“lol... ok, man am I slow! good one Tilt. :-)”

“Good point yaniminime. We all have preconcieved notions about people from other countries and we identify them as their country rather than their own identity. I think most people are very pleasently surprised when they find out that Joe Blow is just like Micale Blow from the other side of the world.

[of course all this does not apply to the French as everything they say about them is true. LOL!]”

“Bush 9/11 Admission Gets Little Play
Story Doesn't Make Many Front Pages

By Seth Porges www.editorandpublisher.com

For months leading up this year's war on Iraq, the Bush administration implied that Saddam Hussein had a hand in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The argument was well-received by Americans, and might have been the single leading factor behind public support for the U.S. invasion of Iraq. An oft-cited poll conducted by The Washington Post last month revealed that 69% of Americans continue to believe it likely that Hussein was personally involved in 9/11.

No real evidence to support this has emerged, however, leading some (including E&P, just last week) to declare that the media had failed in its duty to correct the public misperception.

So when President George Bush admitted on Wednesday, for the first time, that there was "no evidence that Hussein was involved with the September 11th" attacks, one would assume that would be big news and an opportunity for the press to make up for past failings.

And according to some newspapers, it was a big story. The Los Angeles Times and Chicago Tribune (both owned by the Tribune Co.) ran front-page stories on the revelation Thursday. But an analysis of most major American newspapers found the story either buried deep within the paper -- or completely absent.

Of America's 12 highest-circulation daily papers, only the L.A. Times, Chicago Tribune, and Dallas Morning News ran anything about it on the front page. In The New York Times, the story was relegated to page 22. USA Today: page 16. The Houston Chronicle: page 3. The San Francisco Chronicle: page 14. The Washington Post: page 18. Newsday: page 41. The New York Daily News: page 14.

The New York Post and The Wall Street Journal didn't mention it at all.

Large papers outside of the top 12 that ran the news on Page One include The Boston Globe, The Seattle Times, and the Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

The story was even more dramatic because Bush's remarks came on the heels of an assertion to the contrary made by Vice President Dick Cheney Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." When asked about the poll that shows Americans overwhelmingly believe Hussein was involved in 9/11, Cheney replied that he thinks "it's not surprising that people make that connection. ... If we're successful in Iraq then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."”

“this is BS violin. he never said they did it. he said there was an alqueda connection to iraq but not that they did 9-11.

maybe people just don't trust hussein......ever think of that?”

“Text of Bush's March 6th press conference

He sure did his best to reinforce a false impression dewd.


"Saddam Hussein is a threat to our nation. September the 11th changed the strategic thinking, at least as far as I was concerned, for how to protect our country. My job is to protect the American people."

"The price of the attacks on America, the cost of the attacks on America on September 11th were enormous. They were significant. And I'm not willing to take that chance again, John."

"First, for those who urge more diplomacy, I would simply say that diplomacy hasn't worked. We've tried diplomacy for 12 years. Saddam Hussein hasn't disarmed. He's armed.

And we live in a dangerous world. We live in new circumstances in our country, and I hope people remember the — I know they remember the tragedy of September the 11th, but I hope they understand the lesson of September the 11th.

The lesson is that we're vulnerable to attach wherever it may occur, and we must take threats which gather overseas very seriously. We don't have to deal with them all militarily, but we must deal with them.

And in the case of Iraq, it is now time for him to disarm. For the sake of peace, if we have to use our troops, we will."”

“nice try.....NAWT! doesn't make a link at all. he just said we aren't going to take any chances after 9-11.

let's think critically here violin....what is your motivation for distorting the truth?

ahhh yes.....JIHAD BUSH”

“From the 2003 SOTU address: "Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained."”

“whatevah oh feble minded one....


my 6 yr old can make the distinction that you can't bring yourself to believe...”

“No, Violin, you don't get it. It's still Jihad Clinton with the chickenhawks.”

“very original of you dan..... [eyeroll]


there's just no challenge in it for me any more.......”

“Every now and then, a media outlet prints something so outside of their normal bias, it makes you go “huh?” In this case, the right-wing Washington Times printed a refutation of some of the lies in Miniter’s repackaged anti-Clinton book.”

“And if the Clinton administration dropped the ball in responding to the Cole bombing, why didn't the incoming Bush administration pick it up in January, 2001?

That was an interesting question.”

“That is a very good question. Not that it lets Clinton off the hook or damns GW necessarily, but wouldn't it be great to know what is happening regarding this matter?”

“It was an interesting article, but you have to keep in mind it was written by people who have a vested interest in the matter. I'd like to see an uninvolved party work something up on it.”

“Everyone's getting in on the Clinton action...

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“GOOD DOG!!!”

“"Bill, you've got to be kidding me, hahaha! This is your ugliest intern yet!!"”

“Can you get this idiot off the board? Please!!!!! If he wants to criticize Clinton let him do it on some other website. If I wanted to see leftover schmegma on my computer I would go to some porno website!!!”

“If he wants to criticize Clinton let him do it on some other website.
vIoLiN
02:39:16 PM
09/24/03

Lol. Good one”

“If you don't wanna see my posts, use the Ignore feature.

I think someone once said that was just for wuss's though.”

“Well Violin, it was a partisan Op-ED piece not somehting with official Washington Times support.”

“I know ped, I was just surprised to see that they ran it. I couldn't get the 'liberal' Washington Post to run my letter showing how George Will lied about Clark in their paper (not that I have the equivalent of NSC credentials or anything).”

“A conservative's review of Al Franken's 'Lies and the Lying Liars'

10/17/03

Becky Miller The Oregonian

I must say that only once before in my life have I ever felt as utterly shocked as I am at this moment. The time before was when I first realized that my boss at the time, Bill Sizemore, was greedy and dishonest. The foundations of my universe shook. What has utterly shocked me today is Al Franken's latest book, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right."


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I read the book in one sitting. It is an amazing book, and -- if you're a decent, honest, hard-working, patriotic, true-blue conservative who listens to Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly and watches Fox News -- an earth-shattering book.

To be aboveboard, I must tell you that Franken and I are friends. Well, OK, the truth is I made a wisecrack to him at a book signing, and he looked at me. (Read the book -- the part about Ann Coulter -- and you'll get it.)

Until I read this book, I believed the Bill Sizemore/Oregon Taxpayers United mess was a bit of a fluke. (In 2002 I testified against him in a civil trial in which a Multnomah County jury found that his charitable foundation and political action committee had committed fraud and forgery, and that Oregon Taxpayers United had engaged in a pattern of racketeering to obtain signatures on initiative petitions for tax measures drafted by Sizemore.) The spin, the lies, the greed, the disregard for the everyday person -- I thought it was all just a fluke and really limited to this one little pustule of filth that had festered in a little storefront in Clackamas, Oregon. Boy, was I wrong.

I believe Franken is telling the truth in his book because it meshes perfectly with what I personally have observed. And I think every decent, honest, hard-working, patriotic, true-blue conservative owes it to himself to read it. Hold your nose if you must -- Franken is as foul-mouthed and crass as his reputation would lead you to believe (and quite mistakenly believes Christians love Israel because it is the center of prophecies that include the fiery deaths of all Jews) -- but read it anyway.

The other day on talk radio, I heard a guy tell an incredulous Lars Larson that he wouldn't believe Rush Limbaugh was a drug addict involved in a drug ring even if Limbaugh himself admitted it. If you're that guy, don't bother reading Franken's book. You will really just drive yourself even more crazy.

The leaders we conservatives have trusted have taken advantage of our trust to line the pockets of the wealthy and powerful, and it's time we rose up and drove out these greedy liars. They've hijacked and distorted our belief system for their own gain, and in doing so are destroying our credibility.

And if we decent, honest, hard-working, patriotic, true-blue conservatives of this country neglect the duty we have to our children and grandchildren, we will never be able to work with those decent, honest, hard-working, patriotic, true-blue liberal Americans that these lying creeps have taught us to despise. We will never be safe to debate them or, when warranted, to listen to them and maybe even agree with them. We will never be safe to work out our differences or to work together. And we will never be able to build on the all-American sense of unity that burst forth following 9/11, only to disappear shortly thereafter in a cloud of lying, greedy partisan politics.

I'm still a decent, honest, hard-working, patriotic, true-blue conservative. But Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and the rest of you lying liars -- I'm through with you! (Read the book, and you'll get that one, too.)

Becky Miller of Woodburn is former senior aide to Bill Sizemore, president of Oregon Taxpayers United. ”

“Interesting... how "for real" is she?”

“Obviously, this is the only conservative that will ever read that book. She's the martyr now.”

“saved by al fraken....you nust be so proud..[eyeroll]”

“saved by al fraken....you must be so proud..[eyeroll]”

“This is worth some serious thought.
If you, as a liberal or conservative, deliberately spew untruths and deliberately participate in defaming other people solely for your gain, you should know this: You will eventually be found out for what you are and what you say.
You have only served to further alienate millions of good people who would otherwise listen to a serious and well thought-out argument. Newsflash! Most people in this country fall somewhere on the moderate scale. They don't want to become Nazis or Communists.
This review of Al Franken's book by a conservative, if real, is one of the most refreshing things I have read in a long time. If we could get back to the national debate, it would be the best thing that has happened in a while.
Anecdotally, I noticed that one of our two Republican senators is trying to distance himself from the current administration. I think he can hear the train coming down the track, and it's running on the fuel that Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, et al, have so LIBERALLY supplied.”

“"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."
- Abraham Lincoln (first Inaugural address)”

“You chastise liberals and democraps for flaming and then you end your post with a flame?

You have been found out, pinhead.”

“I hope I didn't hurt your feelings by pointing out that anyone , whether they be right or left, if given the power of the nation's airwaves, uses that power only to bash the other side, will ultimately cause a backlash. You don't see this?”

“The amazing thing about Franken's book, the fact that clearly shouts out to me is that he called a lot of powerful people liars.

Have any of them sued him for libel? No.

Was it because they didn't want to get involved in a legal action with him? No - that can't be the case, because Fox sued him for copyright violation.

So - the reason must be that there was no libel in fact, they felt they were better off suing for copyright violation than for libel. It sure looks like they wanted to sue, but were afraid that if they sued for libel he might further humiliate them by proving the allegations in court.”

“I love the conspiracy theories!!!”

“Ain't no conspiracy theory there bacpac - and I noticed how you dropped the subject last time we argued this out.”

“Of course it is a theory. It is nothing more than that.

I don't think I dropped anything.”

“I tend to like to get my information and the truth from sources other than people who’s biggest accomplishment was a stint on Saturday Night Live (the shltty years to boot).

This B list celebrity isn’t even relevant.”

“Bacpac: I'm not talking about any conspiracy - just about simple tactics.

Anyway, go back to page 5 of this thread (on September 4th, where you were calling me an idiot)... and keep going past where Geobeet says "good argument."”

“You are an idiot.”

“By wasting my time trying to reason with you, I do leave myself open to that accusation.

Interesting that you choose insults and ridicule once again over critical thinking. More evidence that you are not incapable of insight.”

“There is no point having a conversation with you. You ignore the facts and come up with these wild theories that have no basis.

There is no need for critical thinking. Your comments are not rational and are devoid of reason. I don't have to think about it.

And one more thing.... I am not, not incapable of insight, whatever that means.”

“LOL!

You haven't even raised a logical or substantive objection for me to ignore.... all you've done is toss insults.

Sometimes you can crack a decent joke, but I think you chose insults because you know you can't come up with defensible reasons. You don't even try. I launched an argument that impressed someone and you just duck it.”