link between iraq & alqueda

“Going into the war, what we KNEW was:
1. SH was being very evasive about what WMD he had
2. we couldn't trust what he was saying
3. he had a strong desire to GET WMD
4. if he got them he would use them
5. there was a good chance he was developing nuke and bio, we already knew he had chemical.
6. he could hide what he had from the inspectors forever

So if no WMDs are found, I have no problem with the war. It was worth doing if no WMD were at issue, just to liberate a tyrant, and possibly create a stabilizing zone from a destabilizing one.

Doesn't the left remember when Franco took over Spain? It was the left that made a cause to repel Fascism and restore the republic. The left made it very idealistic and heroic to fight against the tyrant, who wasn't nearly as bad as SH. Doesn't the same logic apply to Iraq? Where is the left about freedom to the oppressed? I don't get it.”

“what about the link between alquaida and the sierra club?

Both are terrorist organizations. Both hate America. Both are well funded by rich people with no brains and no scruples. Both have no morals but wrap religious righteousness around their cause.

They are both one and the same.”

“"have no morals but wrap religious righteousness around their cause," - this sounds familiar, now who does this remind me of - who could it be?????”

“Lil' Georgie Butch?”

“I sure am glad the whole world isn't like you, Strat. If everyone was as insular, frightened, self-serving, self-righteous and self-agrandizing as you are, we would have just stayed in caves eating raw meat.

And I can't wait until our lame-ass president is voted out of office.”

“LOL Gordon! When the Sierra Club flies a plane into a high-rise, you will be vindicated.”

“mmmmmmmm..... raw meat.....”

“Once again...I'm not wearing any pants.”

“Saddam Ate His Weapons of Mass Destruction.
The American Press Ate the Story.
That's the Real Story.

A BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY
by YT Cai

The plausibility meter is again going haywire. This notion that Saddam Hussein hurriedly disposed of his weapons of mass destruction just before the U.K. and U.S. invasion is preposterous.

First of all, if anything Blair and Bush were saying could be believed, all Saddam had to do was destroy the weapons and he could have avoided the consequences. Why would Iraq play cat and mouse with the inspectors, hide or move things just before Blix's teams got there, and then turn around and secretly destroy the weapons, still providing the "coalition of the chilling" with the lynch pin needed to effect their execution? This doesn't make sense to me either.

Secondly, with 300,000 troops amassed at Iraq's borders, an armada of war vessels anchored within striking distance, and every indication that a siege is about to begin, why would Saddam destroy the only weaponry that might mire the advance of the invaders? If in fact they had such nasty agents, why weren't they used when there were 10,000 troops staged in the area, 50,000 troops, 100,000 troops, you get the idea? Russia and France had to be telling Saddam all along that war was inevitable, so with that knowledge, they covertly destroy their only deterrent? Hardly a strategy even the most inept defender would choose.

Thirdly, what would the rationale be for such a move? Maybe Saddam wanted to go down in history as being right about what he was saying all along, that he didn't posses any such weapons? Was he Trying to avoid the embarrassment of being called a liar by Blair and Bush? Or was Saddam just trying to ward off the aggressors by letting them believe he could inflict great harm to any invader? The possibilities are mind boggling when dealing with an unpredictable tyrant.

Besides, wouldn't there be all sorts of evidence of the hasty destruction of the quantities of chemicals and biological agents that Iraq was charged with possessing? Bush and Powell claimed there were tons and tons of unaccounted for agents. Although, I have my own theory on how they have been moved undetected to Syria. It is called the "Nomad Theory", and it goes like this:

Knowing that constant surveillance by no fly zone monitors would easily detect a convoy of vehicles crossing over into Syrian territory, the wily Saddam formed a bestial team of the most unsightly weapons of mass destruction movers imaginable. Taking his cue from heroin smuggling mules, the weapons were loaded into condoms and forced fed to a massive herd of camels. Then, Saddam himself led this mercenary drove of dromedary death dispensers across nomadic routes into Syria. Not only was Saddam able to retain his diabolical arsenal, but he was also able to innocuously slip away to safety. As long as the camels did not "release" any of their contraband in the vicinity of the oil fields, the likelihood of discovery was quite remote. Carefully planned routes made detection near impossible. With only a modest supply of laxative, it is just a matter of time before Saddam can again threaten the entire free world.

Hey, it's as plausible as any other reason forwarded thus far as to why the weapons can't be found.”

“It's also possible that Saddam hid them very well before the inspectors came and he couldn't get to them without the inspectors getting them. Of course, this would mean the inspection regime was working.”

“I still have my doubts about the WMD. I believe he had them, but I also realize that all I have heard is thru the media, and press conferences by the president and military. Either the military and the President are doing some major spinning, and are no more slanted than the media, or they are telling the truth, or at least the truth as they see it. The military is privy to more info than the media, that much we know. What is their perspective, what is the medias? what does that leave us?

Saddam could well have destroyed or buried his WMD as several scientists of his have alleged, or he may never have had them. Then there is the question of those 3 cargo ships going around in circles, from Iraq, under radio silence, which is a violation of international law, that has quietly disappeared of the media radar screen. Mayhaps, they have the WMD?????? How do you approach such ships and, if in fact there are WMD on board there, how do you prevent the scuttling or use of such weapons before you control the ship?????

All that being said, this guy had plenty of other reasons to be "removed"... the torture chambers, though not on a scale of the concentration camps of WWII, were barbaric enough. Do we "liberate" all countries doing this everywhere??? I doubt we could. But there was plenty of reason for this all the way around. Would I want to do this again??? I don't think so. But bear in mind, 12 years ago, we stopped the war because he agreed to quite a few "restraints". It is well documented how he has violated them.

Just some thoughts.....”

“I appreciate the thought. I haven't felt that the military was trying to deceive anyone about WMD. I hear anouncements that something suspicious has been found and that its being tested - then I hear that the test results are negative. It's members of the media who are to blame for shouting SUPICIOUS MATERIALS FOUND - PROBABLE WMD!!!! and then whispering testsonamterialsarenegativeforwmd.>

As for the ships - it would seem odd for Hussein or anyone to use ships going to international waters to hide wmd - but who knows?”

“Based upon the latest, a better title for this thread would have been:
link between iraq & rocket fuel, oh my!”

“"link between iraq & rocket fuel, oh my!"

A better link just might be, "The Link Between Iraqi Jet Fuel and SoCal Lettuce". Coinkidink? I don't think so!”

“Lettuce spray!”

“Can anyone explain how two different papers on two continents can take credit for discovering this “smoking gun” document?

TORONTO STAR

telegraph.co.uk

Does it make anyone else suspicious that the document was ‘overlooked’ by the CIA team that scoured the building first (as alleged in the Star link)?”

“"exclusive to our readers"”

“huh?

"Top-secret Iraqi intelligence documents, unearthed by the Toronto Star in the bombed-out headquarters of the dreaded Mukhabarat intelligence service in Baghdad, have established the first clear link between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda organization."

AND

"Iraqi intelligence documents discovered in Baghdad by The Telegraph have provided the first evidence of a direct link between Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda terrorist network and Saddam Hussein's regime.

Papers found yesterday in the bombed headquarters of the Mukhabarat, Iraq's intelligence service, reveal that an al-Qa'eda envoy was invited clandestinely to Baghdad in March 1998."”

“Balderdash, I found 'em.”

“Maybe they were sharin' falafel recipes.

Or beard care tips.”

“The mulligatawney recipe!!!”

“you wouldn't know a link if it crawled up your a$$ and sang viva la france......”

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“WHOOP! THEA IT IS......
message from stratdewd being ignored
"oh man, you liberals must be soo disappointed....


oh yeah, they found some chemicals and they got the dood in charge of lying to the UN inspectors too.....


and tha walls....come tumbling down.....


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA! NANNY NANNY BOO BOO!

who will apologize to bush ? genine gerapalo?

BAAAHAHHAHAHAHHA!"
stratdewd
01:20:23 PM
04/27/03
stop ignoring this user


Good one!”

“Hey stratNutz, where's your source? No link? The only thing I found was a mention of a leak to FOX in a white house press release. Not much of the sensation your making it out as.

Also, for future reference you might want to consider who your speaking to. The United States has ICBM's with nuclear warheads strapped to them. Our standard for a WMD is a little higher than what your aiming for there. A mortar with sarin or mustard gas is a tinker toy in comparison. Not to mention, the mustard gas that they have found is considered inert. AKA, not a WMD. Then we have to consider who had the weapon and where they got it from. I mean, considering we live in a country where people steal tanks for a drive down the California freeway and rob F-16 parts until they can assemble them completely to sell on E-Bay, I can't imagine Iraq not having some issues with security as well.”

“I've heard there's a link between huffing glue and brain damage. I don't buy it[tick]buy it[tick]buy it[tick]buy it[tick]...”

“Its informative to read this thread from the beginning.



CIA report finds no Zarqawi-Saddam link

WASHINGTON - A CIA report has found no conclusive evidence that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein harbored Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, which the Bush administration asserted before the invasion of Iraq.

“There’s no conclusive evidence the Saddam Hussein regime had harbored Zarqawi,” a U.S. official said on Tuesday about the CIA findings.

But the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, stressed that the report, which was a mix of new information and a look at some older information, did not make any final judgments or come to any definitive conclusions.

“To suggest the case is closed on this would not be correct,” the official said in confirming an ABC News story about the CIA report that the network said was delivered to the White House last week.

ABC quoted an unnamed senior U.S. official as saying that the CIA document raises “serious questions” about Bush administration assertions that Zarqawi found sanctuary in pre-war Baghdad.

“The official says there is no clear cut evidence that Saddam Hussein even knew Zarqawi was in Baghdad,” ABC reported.

Medical trip doubted
The CIA report concludes Zarqawi was in and out of Baghdad, but cast doubt on reports that Zarqawi had been given official approval for medical treatment there as President Bush said this summer, ABC said.

Earlier on Tuesday, White House spokesman Scott McClellan reasserted that there was a relationship between Saddam and Zarqawi.

“He was in contact from Baghdad with Ansar al-Islam in the northeastern part of Iraq. He had a cell operating from Baghdad during that period, as well. So there are clearly ties between Iraq and — between the regime, Saddam Hussein’s regime and al-Qaida,” McClellan told reporters.

Before last year’s invasion to topple Saddam, the Bush administration portrayed Zarqawi as al- Qaida’s link to Baghdad.

Following Saddam’s capture in December and waves of suicide attacks on U.S. and Iraqi security forces which followed, Zarqawi quickly became America’s top enemy in Iraq. The United States placed a $25 million bounty on his head.

The Jordanian-born Zarqawi and his militant Tawhid and Jihad group have claimed responsibility for a string of suicide bombings, kidnappings and hostage beheadings.”

“I defy you to point out where Cheney/Dubya lied, Violin”

“Zarqawi and Hussein: Frat drinkin buddies.”

“Cheney "We didn't start this war." Republican Nat'l Convention (just for starters)”

““ok look....they caught the guy IN CHARGE of lying to the UN. he has already told them that they were flimflamming the inspectors the whole time. he has told the US that iraq had thousands of warheads, made tons and tons of liquid anthrax.....on and on. more will be revealed soon, you'lll see....


scoops, and you'de be saying what a great president gore was....

ped, there is a link to alqueada....read it again....a link to alqueada....ok? do you see? there is the proof....it's a done deal mang......this seems so simple to me, why do you people squirm so? how could hussein use weapons that he spent 12 years denying owning? he couldn't.”
stratdewd
9:58:52 AM
4/28/03”

“Is the asylum allowing visitors yet? I miss strat.”

“Gosh Phaedrus, I'm flabbergasted!

8^O”

“Surely there is some sort of link between the two. 6 degrees of seperation. Even I could be linked to Bin Laden somehow.”

“Certainly less so than Geo Sr.”

“the real question is can Saddam be linked to Kevin Bacon?”

“I just discovered the link. Shrub and his Dick didn't lie. It's true.

Both Iraq and Al Qaeda have the letter q in them. That's the link!”

“I've been to Michigan's "thumb" area. So has Timothy McVeigh. We may have even talked to the same people. Since you are all reading my post you are all linked to a terrorist by association. Using this information, Dubya should invade, er, pre-emptively strike the imminent threat called TT. (Yes, I admit, this is a lame analogy.)
Dubya just wanted an excuse to play cowboy. Lacking a clear mandate from the popular vote, Dubya needed an enemy so the American people would rally behind him. This is just an ageless political tool. Also, you can't run a re-election campaign based on your experience as Commander-in-Chief if you don't have any.
If someone else were president would they have invaded Iraq? Probably. And he would also use any excuse to do it. The region is a vital US interest (obviously) and even though the US installed SH he turned out to be a mistake and needed to be removed. A weak opponent; an easy victory. Recent information from the Gulf War established that. Certainly a better choice than, say, trying to tangle with N.Korea or China.
So, the whole point of WMDs is moot; the US would have gone to war with Iraq sooner or later. Like Pearl Harbor, 9-11 was the catalyst that quickly put American support behind the government's military ambitions; otherwise, we'd still be waiting for that spark.”

“Oh man, the right can't chime in on this front. But I see all the people who called it a year and a half ago are (and I'm one of them).

What big, stinking pile of hot horse apples and Bush and Uncle Dick should have to eat every single one!”