how many guns you got?

“Closest thing I've got to a gun:



As I've said before, I liked the summer-camp rifle markmanship program I participated in. Teaches proper behavior and respect for things deadly and dangerous. Even if I basically had nothing to do with guns since then.”

“cats..

there is a glock 19 in that pic as well.

Frangible ammo is a wonderful thing.

yes, i have fired many things inside.. it can get extremly loud and damaging.”

“Oh I can't help myself...my kid is so dang cute here:



I am a proud mom...”

“this gun thing sure is crazy, ainnit? very polarizing. a person cant talk about guns without being branded a gun nut, nor can they talk about their concern over gun violence without being branded an alarmist ani-gun libbie bent on taking away all guns. i know, its all the other sides fault. ive heard it before”

“Yeah! every election when the politicians run out of ideas they go for the gut.

Gun control
Abortion
Taxes

and as always I tend to agree with Catskhikers positions.
Best for home defence would be a shotgun with heavy fine shot #4, easy to point, low penetration. 20ga would be about right.
and the steel safe bolted to the frame of the house, or into a floor with cement anchors
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“One method of teaching kids about guns that an author I saw on a documentary did was to lay all your guns out on a table (unloaded of course) and have the kid pick them up, examine them and get all his curiosity out of the way right up front.”

“I remember when I was in high school, some of the hottest topics for debate class were gun control, abortion, capital punishment. I'm sure we'll all be debating them in another 30 years as well.”

“Good catch Hobbit, I forgot Capital Punishment, all polarizing issues with no gray area between sort of like nuclear power generation.”

“http://www.coronadoleather.com/view.aspx?c=8&i=138

She is a beauty....cannot wait to use her!”

“sarbar1, I hope you never have to use it. But if'n you do, it'll be nice to have it.”

“Ok, I can't wait to use the purse ;-) The other part, yes, I hope I never have to use it!”

“hey, how bout a backpack with a hideaway holster in the hipbelt for a .380?”

“Here are a few of mine:



My Baby:

”

“I want a gun. Not sure which one tho..”

“Beautiful, Cloud....My next rifle is going to be a Savage Tactical .380. A friend has one who shoots coyotes off our place and that rifle is one nail driver.....

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“:(

poor coyotes :(”

“sorry, SC....there's lots to go around, believe me.”

“do water guns count?”

“I have a very real question to ask.
when you all thought about getting a gun be it for work or personal reasons, did you worry about how it would effect you. I mean did you worry that if someone really went after you, would you be able to shot another person. with my job, my next step may very well include carring a gun. I am not sure if I trust myself, or if I will just get over the fear. they scare me. I know i will have to go for many many hours of training. i know i would have to carry it for pertection from humans and visious animals. just wondering.”

“I want one to shoot coyote hunters....


theres plenty of them around :)”

“practice, practice, practice, mapleleaf, till shooting becomes instinct. If it happens, it happens, just be ready for when it does. Most encounters that are deadly take place in less than 15 or so feet, usually 8, and last 2.5 seconds. Make sure you practice.....if it comes to that, well, you won't have time to work things out first. But, encounters can escalate or de-escalate depending on how you treat/react to/respond to the situation.”

“i look at owning a gun kinda like having to deal with road rage. i work very hard to contain myself while on the road. but i really worry that i will encounter a person abusing an animal and just want revenge. i think deep in my heart i will never be able to handle a gun. i hate that it will effect my advancment at my job :(


do you understand what i am saying about the road rage thing?”

“well, if/when you get a weapon, you might find yourself more aware of things around you and especially that the power that is suddenly yours to carry has an awesome responsibility that goes with it. In a sense, you "grow up" in a different way. You find that your more considerate of others and how situations can be defused because the alternatives are what you really want to avoid. I don't know if I'm saying that the way you can understand. I guess it all comes down to what kind of person you are now that determines what kind of person you will be in a 'situation'.”

“that makes sense. i had to pick up a very bad dog with very bad owners. i carry a flashlight on my belt. i warned them not to let the dog go. they asked if they did would i shot the dog? i said YES. they backed off. so maybe you are right. i wonder if the power ever goes to anyones head....”

“Yes it does. Being a Police Chaplain, I've seen some officers with serious issues and when they get the sidearm, pepperspray, and ASP, it goes right to their head. Fortunately they either move on to other things, or become better after a few 'hard' lessons. But, while their in the 'waking up' phase, they can really be dangerous to other officers, especially if they try to change the plans when no one is watchin ('I got a better way'). Practice, practice, practice.
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“oh thats right I forgot you are a police chaplain. boy you must deal with some real bad things. hats off to you!!”

“Thanks, Mapleleaf. Yeah, bad things, but after these 10 years at it, you forget the bad things, mostly, and keep the good forward in your thoughts. You know, Mapleleaf, a gun is just another tool of the trade, like a hammer. If you use it right, you build, if not, you ...well.....hit yourself.
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“well thats what I try to do.”

“You know, Mapleleaf, it's like when I talk to parents who have unruly kids and they come to me with "...I feel like I failed...". I put my hand on their shoulder, look em in the eye and tell em "you did the best you could do, don't beat yourself up". I've told some good cops that also. When you want to do right, you'll eventually get nailed for it. It happens, and it's normal, we all go through it....and live....hopefully, lol.”

“yeah but what do you say when you know they did fail? they sucked at being parents!!!”

“just don't tell them that, there are better ways of lettin them know....by example, maybe?
You know, when I screw up, I know it. I don't need someone to tell me, I already know. But, I do learn from watching things.
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“Classes, education, training and more training, Maple :-) And yes, you do become more aware of everything when you carry-and yes, I do and would do anything to avoid ever using a firearm on another human. I think as you become one with training-you realize how fragile your rights are.
But for anyone who has thought of buying a firearm, please, training, training and training! And if you can't afford a safe, you shouldn't have any firearms! (you can get pistol safes as cheap as $50 or so)”

“well i figured i could do the training and see how i feel at the end. if i am still not comfy with it, then I will not carry one. plain and simple. i just wish i could shoot someone for being a dumbass!!! j/k LOL

pistol safe is something i would get!!!!!!”

“we'd all be dead, maple.........”

“what? not me ....cough...cough....”

“Mapes - the less you want to have a gun... the more suited you are to carry it.”

“geeez why? you met me, should i carry one?


*smirk*”

“now Y2 knows how to use a hammer.......”

“I know few mothers (despite their disposition) that would not shoot to protect their young.

Shooting to protect yourself is another matter. Somebody tried to run me down with a car (twice) while I was in uniform aprx 30 years ago. I hesitated to shoot & bounced off the car. I believe that the weapon caused them to slow & swerve enough to save my life. I did get the tag #.

Don't let an attacker get too close to you.

If he does get too close, shooting may be an option as opposed to him getting your gun. Then he can use it on you, family or others.

This has happened often.”

“What does coyote taste like?”

“never ate it, but it probably tastes like chicken.........”

“i cant imagine coyote would taste good. probably very stringy and nasty”

“we bbq'd some armadillo once, but I can't remember what it tasted like. Musta been the cervezas I was quaffing. Had lotsa goat. Axis Deer is really good too, like fine beef. Rattlesnake is really tasty if you ever run across one. After cleaning, just cut into pieces about 2-3 inches long, bread with cornmeal mix and fry.......yummy..just watch out for them little rib bones.”

“A great book to find is called "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob. He has trained police and military all over the globe and his books will really make you think about carrying. Mostly it will make you think before putting yourselves in situations where a gun could be used. It's an eye opener for sure.

A friend gave me the book when I got my concealed carry permit in PA. I could never thank him enough. What I learned from the book was that a level head is better than a false sense of security. It also had tips on home defense and laws regarding personal defense.
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“There was a study done that polled convicts in prison about their habits and their crimes. The #1 fear the majority had about committing crimes was running into an armed victim. I have no doubt that if the situation arose and it was me or them I could do what needed to be done. It would effect me very deeply for the rest of my life but it would be far less damaging to me than living with regret over being powerless. The last thing any gun owner wants to do is use their gun on another person.

If you aren’t sure you could use a gun then you shouldn’t have one. Stick to pepper spray or tazers.”

““I have a very real question to ask.
when you all thought about getting a gun be it for work or personal reasons, did you worry about how it would effect you. I mean did you worry that if someone really went after you, would you be able to shot another person. with my job, my next step may very well include carring a gun. I am not sure if I trust myself, or if I will just get over the fear. they scare me. I know i will have to go for many many hours of training. i know i would have to carry it for pertection from humans and visious animals. just wondering.”
mapleleaf
9:35:00 PM
12/25/05


“i look at owning a gun kinda like having to deal with road rage. i work very hard to contain myself while on the road. but i really worry that i will encounter a person abusing an animal and just want revenge. i think deep in my heart i will never be able to handle a gun. i hate that it will effect my advancment at my job :(
do you understand what i am saying about the road rage thing?”
mapleleaf
9:44:56 PM
12/25/05


A gun itself is harmless until it falls into the wrong hands. You shouldn't fear it. It is the person, not the gun, that creates a problem. There has never been a recorded instance of a gun getting up, loading itself, and pulling its own trigger. It's all about self control. If you are worried about yourself and your control, then all the gun training in the world won't help. Sure, it'll help you shoot better and handle a gun safely, but it won't prevent you from using it in a fit of anger or some other emotional response. Despite some of the statistics that are thrown around here, it's undisputable that with the number of guns in this country, the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and accident free.

There is nothing wrong with not wanting to own or use a gun. It's too bad that it would hamper your advancement at work, but it would show everyone that you are more responsible by not wanting to possess one if you don't think you could use it responsibly. What was the movie where the old guy tells the kid, "with great power comes great responsibility"? I think that saying fits here as well.”

“Cook the coyote in a stew. You can cook most anything in a stew. I don't like bear, raccoon or woodchuck, but all of them aren't bad in a stew. I actually like it until you tell me what's in it.”

“would that include roadkill stew?”

“I just bought myself a Marlin 336CS 30-30 for Christmas. http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/leverAction_centerfire/336C.htm

I am searching for a Ruger model M77 300 Win. Mag. in stainless steel. I would rather a laminated wood stock instead of synthetic.

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=7921&return=Y

I am also searching for a good deal on a S&W .357 stainless steel model 686.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&productId=14799&tabselected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=
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