Typical Democrat hypocricy

“Tom, your good side!”

“lol aero”

“Maybe its just me but I’m just a little suspicious of anyone who views education expenditures as “pouring billions of taxpayer dollars down the public school rathole”. Moon is hostile to democracy and an educated population is critical to a functioning democracy.”

“The question is whether the money is well-spent, or are we raising a generation of idiots? On the radio this morning there was a piece to the effect that a poll determined that only 20 percent of New Jersey voters knows which parties are in control of the General Assembly and only 70 percent know that Gov. McGreevey is a Democrat. I don't think the NEA wants to point to those numbers as an accomplishment.”

“Isn't IceTea from New Jersey?”

“"Dewd"... Moon is a crackpot cult leader and YOU are a waste of time. You have no idea who Moon is, but you'll defend him because he spews your preferred flavor of political slime.

I guess if you were a Democrat you'd be the type that thinks anything negative said about Jesse Jackson is racist.

Dumbass.”

“Education is what stands between civilization and catastrophe.

So Moon is on a mission from God?

The world according to Revvum Moon?

The guy is a crackpot with lots of money from his cultish followers......and who knows where else.”

“Dang Tilt, you and I both come up with the word "crackpot" at the same time!

That's pissuh, dude!”

“I personally wouldn't hold Moon to be credible source of ANY information.”

“I’m just glad I no longer have to put up with moonies harassing me for money at the airport.

Geobeet are you trying to tell me New Jersey is a state? Go on!”

“Teachers at my school were polled and a large majority said that they would like to belong to the local county union but NOT to the NEA. I have a feeling that it's that way elsewhere. It can't be done though.

Some local unions are worthless (D.C.) and loot the teachers and parents, but most are not.

How come nobody will blame the parents/students for the conditions of those schools? Ya think that they might have a little something to do with it?

Come on dewd..... the Washington Times??”

“"crackpot" AND "cult(ish)"

Are we the same guy?”

“Geee, I don't think so...”

“Good.....just checkin'”

“New Landfill must be a state. They have a quarter out. It's a picture of Washington crossing the Delaware from Pennsylvania.”

“Come on dewd..... the Washington Times??"
JO
11:56:03 AM
06/02/03

I don't see where the Times is any less reliable than say...the Village Voice.”

“"So telling a lie becomes a sin if you tell it to take advantage of a person, but if you tell a lie to do a good thing for him that is not a sin. Even God tells lies very often; you can see this throughout history."
- Rev. Moon”

“C R A C K P O T

Don't look behind that curtain, Dorothy!

Somehow those stadium gatherings conjure up images not unlike those of northern Europeans marching with chrome-plated shovels and torches about 70 years ago.”

“Moon is hostile to democracy and an educated population is critical to a functioning democracy."
vIoLiN


so you are happy with the quality of the populations education? that's the only point of the post. the school system is a mess and it's the NEA's fault. it's not a source, it's an opinion and i say it's right on the money.

that's the content.....dumbass


"Like it or not, we're teaching our children from the moment they
come into the world. They watch us like hawks. As they see us
obey laws, treat others with respect and remain faithful to our
spouse, they learn to do those things, too. If we engage in
watching raunchy videos, use foul language or cave in to the
cultural pressures on us as adults, how can we expect them,
as children, to not give in to pressure?" --Rebecca Hagelin”

“"Like it or not, we're teaching our children from the moment they
come into the world. They watch us like hawks. As they see us
obey laws, treat others with respect and remain faithful to our
spouse, they learn to do those things, too. If we engage in
watching raunchy videos, use foul language or cave in to the
cultural pressures on us as adults, how can we expect them,
as children, to not give in to pressure?" --Rebecca Hagelin"

So what she is saying is things are no different today then they have been through out history. Talk about stating the obvious.”

“OK, dude, here's your magic wand. How would you make it better?”

“strat - You call me a dumbass and then post about treating others with respect and not using foul language around children?

Do you listen to yourself?”

“Oh I get it! At first I missed the irony of you posting this on a 'hypocricy' thread. Wonderful self-satire.”

“i was talking to tilt....actually...


"Dr. Martin Rosenberg, my high school English teacher, having
had it with my classroom antics whilst he drilled us in English
grammar, told me, 'Williams, teaching you this material is like
casting pearls before the swine.' That was in 1952 before everyone
became concerned about self-esteem, but it was precisely the
kind of dressing down that I needed to challenge me and turn
my high school academic performance around. Two years later,
it was Dr. Rosenberg who proudly coached me with my salutatorian
address for our graduation ceremony. I thank God that I received
my education before educators and psycho-babblers became concerned
about self-esteem; I'm also thankful for having received it before
it became fashionable for white people to like black people. It
meant my grades were honest." --Walter Williams”

“Without a cut and paste, how would you make it better?”

“Maybe the system is not a rathole but it sure has its fair share of _hitholes. Alot of schools are in dire need of major revamping for the foundation up both physically and philosophically speaking . Its gonna take more than the white washing we have been putting down to fix the problems.
Have you seen 'Springer' in awhile?”

“vouchers. competition drives excellence.”

“How big would the vouchers be? $100? $1000?”

“whatever the average cost is to educate my child at a public school. private schools can do a better job for less. i may not even use it, but lots of people would and the competition would drive results....


or just start all over from scratch and get rid of the NEA and teachers unions.”

“"private schools can do a better job for less."
Check how much it would cost to send your kid to private school. Way more than the public schools get and WAY more than any voucher that I've heard proposed.
The figure I've heard for vouchers is $2000 per year. While the private high schools I know about are $4000 per month. Can you afford to make up that difference? Let's say you can. You get the last vacancy in the private school. Then I come along because I want a good education for my kid too. Will my $5000 a month kick your kid out? $6000? $7000? If you can afford that your kid is already in private school. Or do you just want to subsidize the schools for the rich?”

“Stratdewd calling someone else a dumbass... LOL”

“Sorry Strat, but you're so far out of the loop that you don't know there IS a loop.

Moon went to prison for tax evasion because they couldn't get him for racketeering, kidnapping and fraud. Remember Al Capone?

He thinks he's Jesus Christ. He's said so on many occasions.

But don't say anything BAD about him or the Stratdewd will call you a religious bigot.


Ye gods and little fishes.”

“Moon is an idiot, as is anyone who follows him. There's a guy around here that sells roses and carnations on the side of the road out of a minivan. He's there almost every single day, no matter the weather. I've often wanted to stop and ask him if he's a moonie.”

“A voucher system would drain money from public schools and increase the concentration of problem kids whose parents can't or won't pay attention to their education, thereby weakening those schools further.

Private schools are not inherently better. I hear from folks that if a kid is a problem at a private school that the school can just get rid of them. Most of the time this is false. Those schools need that tuition money and they tolerate a lot of crap ..... money talks.

Again....how about addressing those problem kids and their parents?”

“They need to do away with these teachers unions. Make some cuts from the salaries these people are making. Nice to have a ten year to give me permission to slack off. Blah Blah Blah. If you run it like a business you will see results. Their is a reasons some of these school have went to crap. Need to direct some of these cuts from their salaries and apply them to the school. That whole ten year thing is bogus!”

“Oooo, good idea UpUrs.
And when you get through deciding how much money teachers will make, they they can decide how much YOU make.
You are probably making too much....dragging down the economy, etc.
Run it like a business?
Schools are not a business.
Nor are police departments, fire fighting, and many other public service organizations.”

“Tom what happens in schools happens in business. The functionality should be worked the same. When your venture away from this thought that is when these issue come up. And yes police departments, fire fighters, and all other public service organizations are in business.”

“Wrong, businesses operate for profit motive.

Public service institutions serve the public good.

Efficiency is desirable in public service, but profit-takers should be kept out of public service.......(money changers out of the temple).”

“Hey, UU! The word is tenure, not ten year...”

“Thanks, tb. I was having problems following those posts. Now they make a little more sense.”

“No prob, Chili man...”

“Yeah, UU is a bit incoherant.

Maybe he's like Charlie Daniels....."...cause I get stoned in the mornin'
I get drunk in the afternoon...."”

“lol TT”

“Whiskey River take my mind.


Speaking of Willie, he has a new song out with Toby Keith.”

“Willy and Toby, huh?

Nice balance there......one under-fed and the other over-fed.”

“Vouchers? I'm for it!

A few things, though...
How do we keep polarization of schools from happening: i.e. inner city schools becoming even more run-down due to anyone has the means sending thier kid with their voucher to the better suburban schools?
How do we propose handling the vouchers in the case of home-schooling?
How will school transportation be affected?
How will the amount of the vouchers be determined initially?
What would be the method for censuring schools with unnacceptable performance?
How does the voucher get paid? Is it taxable?
Who writes the standardized tests? Federal or state governments?

I believe a voucher system could work, but I'm really interested to see how it might play out.”

“I friggin' hate vouchers, I pay taxes, I don't have kids. You have choice in education: public, private, or home schooling. If you don't wanna pay for your kids education they get public school or you don't have kids. It's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBIBLITY. As for the decline in public schools you can blame teachers/teachers unions/educational beauracracy all day long, but the truth is there are too many parents that chose to work too hard and ignore the responsibility they have to raise their children. Parent's aren't going to back-to-school nights like they used to. Parent's aren't taking their children to church or enrolling them in Scouting and sports or spending time with them like they used to.

please don't keep throwing more of my income tax at the fact that there are so many horrible parent's out there”

“No politician is willing to stand up and tell parents that for the most part they suck. They just keep on coddling them ( "No Child Left Behind")and coming up with another layer of repetitive, overlapping testing to judge the "outcomes". Gag!!! If your child doesn't work hard enough that ought to be left behind, or have their behind..... Sorry! Is it summer yet?”

“Wrong, businesses operate for profit motive.

Public service institutions serve the public good.

Efficiency is desirable in public service, but profit-takers should be kept out of public service.......(money changers out of the temple)."
Tom Terrifif

ok, so what if your fire dept really sucked? they were always late to fires and they never put them out completely and only the white peoples houses got put out good? i can't understand why inner city parents in run down school systems keep supporting horrible NRA policies and poor results.


strive for mediocrity! our new slogan....”

“First thing we do, we kill all the democrats...”