black eye for NY times

“LOL!

From CNN: The New York Post, one of the city's most widely read tabloids, announced Tuesday that one of its freelance writers plagiarized an article from The National Enquirer.”

“At least the NY Times has the ethics to care about telling the truth.

Matt Labash, a senior writer with The Weekly Standard (the voice of the neoconservative movement) recently gave an interview with journalismjobs.com where he spoke openly about the lack of ethics and conviction in the right wing press. According to Labash, conservative media outlets like The Weekly Standard and Fox News Channel have become more popular in the past few years because “they feed the rage. We bring the pain to the liberal media. I say that mockingly, but it's true somewhat. We come with a strong point of view and people like point of view journalism. While all these hand-wringing Freedom Forum types talk about objectivity, the conservative media likes to rap the liberal media on the knuckles for not being objective. We've created this cottage industry in which it pays to be un-objective. It pays to be subjective as much as possible. It's a great way to have your cake and eat it too. Criticize other people for not being objective. Be as subjective as you want. It's a great little racket. I'm glad we found it actually.” Source (4th question down)

It’s great when conservatives talk openly. It reveals their lack of soul every time.”

“"Fair And Balanced" LOL”

“come tumbling down.....


game , set, and match.....

















BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAAA!!!!”

“It's funny when the rats are ratted out by one of their own.

Thanks, V. I just emailed that link to a dozen people, LOL”

“Walls, walls???”

“Does John Camp Mellencouger play tennis?”

“How about Melonious Funk?”

“anybody catch that "internal memo" put out by the editor of the LA Times to all staff that the liberal slant must stop? he outright admitted that they have done it for years.

they see tha writing on the walls that the legitamate loss of credibility at the NY Times is costing them big time in readership.

what's really sad is the dammage controll attempts by the liberal apologist......contorting and spinning away reason and accountability, and not realizing that they have been exposed as a big sham which people are tired of......


hence the sucess of foxnews.”

“According to Labash, conservative media outlets like The Weekly Standard and Fox News Channel have become more popular in the past few years because “they feed the rage. We bring the pain to the liberal media. I say that mockingly, but it's true somewhat. We come with a strong point of view and people like point of view journalism. While all these hand-wringing Freedom Forum types talk about objectivity, the conservative media likes to rap the liberal media on the knuckles for not being objective. We've created this cottage industry in which it pays to be un-objective. It pays to be subjective as much as possible. It's a great way to have your cake and eat it too. Criticize other people for not being objective. Be as subjective as you want. It's a great little racket. I'm glad we found it actually.””

“you wish”

“Read it.

THEN we'll talk about jounalistic integrity.”

“r”

“Please tell us more about the memo and the editor Strat.”

“You can be subjective and still present the facts. You just editorialize along the way. It's done in the media all the time by both sides. Using inflammatory words, phrasing, etc.”

“Total objectivity is impossible, everyone has a perspective.

But, as Kenneth Burke says: "There is perspective and then there is pamphletering."

Or as Jason Blair shows, there is subjectivity and then there is outright falsehood.”

“Your favorite media outlet views journalism as a racket and you see this as some sort of victory? For whom? The forces of darkness?”

“Regarding the LA Times memo: strat is 180 degrees off on as usual. I found this http://www.laobserved.com/carrollmemo.html purported copy of the memo. I have no idea if it is an accurate copy or if such a memo was really sent, but if true, it shows that the senior staff at the LA Times is serious about objectivity. According to Labash, the Weekly Standard and Faux News view media objectivity as an outdated concept.”

“no vIOlIn, i'm right as usual....he outright admits it. then he says we better cut it out or else. in the end, it's a simple CYA manuver and will not deter them from slanting their coverage to the left. and their pawns(you) will continue to do their bidding....for, uhhm....why is it again? i forget, what's the reason you continue to believe liars? ooooh yeah, i remember, they say what you want to hear....ok, gotcha.


according to stratdewd, the liberal media is a joke. and it's a sad day when stratdewd is the voice of reason....”

“"We are far less
secure today than we were before we bumbled into Iraq. We will
pay for this, but what saddens me most is that those who will by
and large pay the highest price are poor kids from Mississippi or
Alabama or Texas who could not get a decent job or health insurance
and joined the army because it was all we offered them."
ABC's
Brian Hedges at a commencement address last week



"There are a number
of militant conservatives or activist conservatives or whatever
you want to call them, who decided that our coverage was liberal
and Fox's was accurate. I don't quite understand it, because I
don't see it in the coverage."

ABC Peter Jennings

"Presently illegal 'assault
weapons' will soon become legal again unless Congress acts. In
a May 15 report, CNN aired a demonstration of an illegal versus
legal 'assault weapon' that showed the presently illegal one
blowing apart cinder blocks, while the legal model did no apparent
damage. After the NRA accused CNN of 'faking' the presentation
-- since both rifles should cause the same damage -- on May 19
CNN conceded their demonstration was misleading."

Liz Swasey,
Media Bias Alert



"Judy, here
in Washington, the White House is celebrating a tax cut. But at
the other end of the country, many voters are celebrating a tax
hike. A tax hike? Can that be true? Yes. And it can also be the
'Political Play of the Week.' ... On Tuesday, voters of Multnomah
County, Oregon, which includes Portland, defied the state and
voted to impose a county income tax."

CNN's Bill Schneider



"It's a great political
victory for the President and for the Republicans. I'm mindful
of a novel I read last summer where a man undergoes a powerful
religious conversion. And he says one of the things he can't stand
about yuppies is that they're people who deny their children
everything and themselves nothing. And by this standard, this
is a yuppie tax bill."

ABC's Michel Martin



"The other tax cut winners are the rich. The top five percent of
taxpayers would get more than half of the benefits from the tax
cut."

ABC's Linda Douglass failing to inform viewers that the
top 5% also pay 56% of the taxes



: "Since there's no social life at the
White House, and no social life in the city, Washington as we know
it is over. Washington's social scene has come to a screeching
halt."

Sally Quinn, Leftist spouse of former Washington Post
Executive Editor Ben Bradlee, lamenting the fact Bush doesn't
hold such lavish White House parties as his predecessor


"We newsmen must always appear
objective; truth is a secondary consideration."

Paul Greenberg”

“Who collected those for you?”

“Blair's
Autobiography";

"My Journey From Writing 'The New York Times' To
Delivering 'The New York Times'"

; "Quoting Dead People: My Word
Against Theirs"

; "How Morpheus Trained Me To Fight The Matrix"

;
"All The Tools A Reporter Needs -- A Copy Of 'The Washington Post'
And A Pair of Scissors"

; "'New York Times,' You've Been Punk'd"

;
"The 'Y' In 'Jayson'? I Made That Up, Too"


; "How The Modern
Reporter Can Be In Two Places At The Same Time"


; "Chapter 6:
Chapters 1 Through 5 Were A [plagiarized]"


; "At Least I'm Not
Geraldo"”

“On the LA Times memo: The Editor is either right wing or pretty impressively ethical. If we used those standards to look for bias at Fox News, we would be ripping them to shreds.”

“[sigh]


ped, he's skeered he's gonna be found out, like NY did.

HE ADMITS IT IN THE MEMO. admits that his paper has not presented stories fairly, slanting them to the left. he's not right wing. i give him credit for having the nards to do this, but don't act like he's without fault here. he's just turning himself in, hoping for mercy. CYA.”

“What color is the sky on your planet?”

“"Yellow journalism deifies the cult of the mendacious, the
sensational, the inane, and, throughout its wide but vapid field,
does as much to vulgarize and degrade the popular taste, to
weaken the popular character, and to dull the edge of the popular
conscience, as any influence under which the country can suffer.
These men sneer at the very idea of paying heed to the dictates
of a sound morality; as one of their number has cynically put it,
they are concerned merely with selling the public whatever the
public will buy -- a theory of conduct which would justify the
existence of every keeper of an opium den, of every foul creature
who ministers to the vices of mankind." --Theodore Roosevelt”

“Can you see how that quotation is directly related to what Matt Labash of The Weakly Standard said about his own publication and Murdoch's other gem, Faux News Channel? ("We've created this cottage industry in which it pays to be un-objective. It pays to be subjective as much as possible. It's a great way to have your cake and eat it too. Criticize other people for not being objective. Be as subjective as you want. It's a great little racket. I'm glad we found it actually.")”

“i think he's talking about the mainstream media, not himself.....”

“Fox News is 10 times more reliable than the Communist News Network. I don't see anyone complaining about their lack of objectivity, or more importantly, lack of honesty.”

“fox has lots of liberals on to give their view. they give both sides, not just one.”

“For the forth time, this is directly from the Labash interview:


JournalismJobs.com: Why have conservative media outlets like The Weekly Standard and Fox News Channel become more popular in the past few years?

Matt Labash: Because they feed the rage. We bring the pain to the liberal media. I say that mockingly, but it's true somewhat. We come with a strong point of view and people like point of view journalism. While all these hand-wringing Freedom Forum types talk about objectivity, the conservative media likes to rap the liberal media on the knuckles for not being objective. We've created this cottage industry in which it pays to be un-objective. It pays to be subjective as much as possible. It's a great way to have your cake and eat it too. Criticize other people for not being objective. Be as subjective as you want. It's a great little racket. I'm glad we found it actually.”

“i never even heard of that guy or his publication.

ok, i grant you that he's a dirty dog. i would read the whole article if i wasn't scared of your link.”

“Never heard of the Weakly Standard? Are the names William Kristol and Rupert Murdoch familiar to you?”

“Top NY Times Editors Resign Amid Scandal

Updated 12:24 PM ET June 5, 2003


By Ellen Wulfhorst

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The top two New York Times editors resigned on Thursday, dogged by an unrelenting scandal sparked by a former young reporter who plagiarized and fabricated dozens of stories at the nation's most influential newspaper.

Executive Editor Howell Raines and Managing Editor Gerald Boyd emerged from a mid-morning meeting and told surprised staff in the midtown Manhattan newsroom they were quitting, Times reporters said.

The plagiarism scandal gripped the paper in recent weeks, as top editors traced the misconduct of reporter Jayson Blair and investigated the work of other reporters.

It also brought to the surface brewing dissatisfaction with Raines' management style, which many staff members complained was hierarchical, distant and based on making stars out of selected reporters and ignoring others.

As the top editors spoke to the newspaper staff, Raines looked pained, while Boyd was teary-eyed and lost his train of thought, reporters said.

The two editors had come under severe criticism after it was revealed that Blair had plagiarized and fabricated numerous stories during his Times career of almost four years.

Blair resigned in early May. Since then, top Times writer Rick Bragg, a Pulitzer Prize winner, resigned amid accusations of dishonest reporting.

Raines and Boyd were blamed for overlooking Blair's errors and warnings about the quality of his work by other editors. They were also accused of promoting the young black reporter in the interest of helping diversify the newsroom, despite his known shortcomings.

"Howell and Gerald have tendered their resignations, and I have accepted them with sadness based on what we believe is best for The Times," said Publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr., chairman of The New York Times Co. in a statement.

At a recent meeting with staff, Raines said: "You have a right to ask if I, as a white man from Alabama, with those convictions, gave him one chance too many. When I look into my heart for the truth of that, the answer is yes."

The publisher had said he would not seek Raines' resignation despite the uproar, but expectations had been high that some senior editors would have to pay a price for the lapses in standards during their tenure.

The Blair scandal spread well beyond the paper, being the latest in a long string to erode public confidence in journalism -- now only 36 percent compared to 54 percent in 1989, according to a recent USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll.

As Raines and Boyd spoke on Thursday, there were a few wet eyes and a smattering of applause in the newsroom. Some senior editors gave Boyd a standing ovation.

"Everyone is kind of stunned," said one reporter. "These are two guys who put their whole life into the paper and they certainly didn't set out to do anything bad.

"My first reaction was maybe this would allow people to move on, but none of it's good, really. This outcome is just sad," the reporter said.

The Times said Joseph Lelyveld, former executive editor of the newspaper, would return as interim executive editor.

New York magazine media critic Michael Wolff cautioned that the resignations would not quell the controversy.

"I think that the focus now becomes on Arthur Sulzberger and in fact I think that's the root of what's happened here. It's all about the survival of the publisher at this point," he said.”

“Newspapers need a good shake up every once in a while.

Reporters/editors get lazy.”

“Ta-DA!!!”

“Violin has thoroughly dispatched Stratdewd in this thread, using one of his own quotes against him.

Violin, I applaud you. Masterful.”

“I think it's bullcrap that that idiot Blair claims he outsmarted brilliant people. He didn't outsmart them, the people who hired him just ignored the warning signals or got lazy when he was hired. He's trying to look like a genius now, and trying to justify his life as a lying loser. What a shame. If he had any ba11s he'd admit what he did was wrong, instead of trying to boost his fame (or infamy). But why should we be suprised, I guess, his whole career was based on lies.”

“Why does it really matter? Nobody trusts or believes reporters anyway. On an ethical scale journalists rank below used-car salesmen and tort lawyers.”

“Gordon has more bluster than a pathological liars convention in Florida during hurricane season.”

“Violin has thoroughly dispatched Stratdewd in this thread, using one of his own quotes against him.

Violin, I applaud you. Masterful."
Phaedrus


oh puhhhhleeze.....he didn't do nuttin but a verbal backflip....what the hell are you talkin about anyways?”

“must be tough seeing the boys you've been defending to the last go down in disgrace.....




















BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH!


DISPATCHED! BAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHHA!”

“The New York Times has been leading the charge of Leftmedia
tongue-waggers nattering over the delay in uncovering the current
whereabouts of Saddam's WMD stashes. But at this point, who can
believe the Gray Lady any more? Columnist Paul Krugman alleges,
"The public was told that Saddam posed an imminent threat. If that
claim was fraudulent, the selling of the war is arguably the worst
scandal in American political history -- worse than Watergate,
worse than Iran-Contra." Krugman earns a "Four Fingers Pointing
Back" for even daring speak of "fraud," given recent revelations
at his employer. But the Leftmedia are providing cover for Demos
who parrot the accusations over the continuing search for WMD.

The fallout kept raining down on The New York Times from Jayson
Blair's short career -- at that, too lengthy -- of journalistic
fabrications and dezinformatsia. Executive Editor Howell Raines
and Managing Editor Gerald Boyd resigned Thursday in a tangible
admission of lax editorial oversight and hesitant response to
mounting evidence of Blair's "reportorial" misdeeds.”

“So when journalistic ethics are violated at the NY Times, the reporter gets fired and may be brought up on charges and his two immediate superiors step down. They devote a great deal of space in their own paper exposing and analyzing the problem.

Mat Labash gloats about violating journalistic ethics as a get rich quick scheme and he continues working for the Weakly Standard. Not a word is said about it in either the Weakly Standard or on Faux News.

hmmmmm…”

“pssst, violin, it's a non story....”

“Is Dewd pasting again without proper attribution? Who wants to bet that he spelled out 'dezinformatsia'? <GUFFAW>



If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

(plagiarism-wise)”

“"pssst, violin, it's a non story...."
stratdewd
10:33:21 PM
06/06/03

This is incredible.

Strat, you are the most partisan person I have ever come across. congratulations.”

“and like you are not phaedrus...every one of your post have leftwing crap in them.”

“exactly tea, and i don't deny it but he will.


i am really more anti-left than i am pro-right......”

“I guess that's the part that I'm complaining about, strat. Labelling an idea without looking at its merits doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Whatever. I'll be partisan on the majority of issues, and you can try to disagree on whatever basis you can find.

”