Thank Clinton for a speedy victory in Ir aq

“Excellent juxtaposition Tilt! Bacpac was hoisted by his own retard (or is it petard?)”

“Yeah... It was the strangest thing. I saw that line about 'common decency' and this tune started running through my head:

One of these things is not like the others
One of these things just doesn't belong...”

“well uhhmmm.... who's facts are you relying on?

were you relying on the new york times? because they are sometimes wrong you know....i'm sure you've heard, lol. do you think that's the only example of bad reporting out there? i would be willing to bet that it happpens all the time.

research doesn't mean look till i find what you want to hear. if i have mistated something, i'll stand corrected.

much of what i say is opinion, based on many sources and my own analysis...


phaed, stfu you bunghole.....

















LMFAO! j/k”

“Strat:

I try to separate facts from interpretations and opinions. For example: when we disagreed about the findings of the press consortium that looked at the votes in Florida. When you mis-stated what they found, you had the facts wrong. If you argue that the Press consortium was biased, I might disagree - noting that the Wall Street Journal played a major role in the consortium - but I wouldn't accuse you of being flat out wrong about the facts. If you argue about how to interpret their findings - then you I will mount evidence against your interpretation, but I won't call you flat out wrong on the facts.

When you say that U. Michigan in their admissions policy rated race above academics - I will say you are flat out wrong on the facts, as I did when I pointed out that grades and test scores combined were worth many more points that being part of an unrepresented minority. If you say that that any affirmative action points in U Michigan is wrong, I will disagree with you, but I won't accuse you of being flat out wrong about incontrovertible facts.

Those are two of the cases that lead me to this view point. It also seemed to me that you noticed all the reports of possible chemical weapons finds, without noticing the retractions.”

“well peddy, i dont really recall talkin about the U of M thang too much.

i see your point however. many of my arguments are often idelogical. it's the way i mac....

interpretation of 'facts' will sometimes differ from person to person. maybe i'm wrong about the things i say, but i just say what i believe.”

“Finally--someone who finds Trudeau funny. I've always wanted to meet his fan.”

“You've found two.”

“Trudeau makes it easy.......so even a fool could find it funny.”

“more crap! Bias! U think! Lets wake up and smell the coffee here folks. I don't know what world you live in but you better snap out of it. What a load of crap!”

“How true, how true.....”

“Yeah, Ursula, the troof ain't always pretty!”

“So how did Klinton's record military cuts get swept under the rug?”

“The same way Bush's massive increase in the size of the federal government will get swept under the rug, Nigal.”

“What record military cuts?

And another thing, during Klinton's reign of terror there were unprecedented efforts to clear up MIA's in Vietnam.

And to normalize relations with that country too.”

“"more crap! Bias! U think! Lets wake up and smell the coffee here folks. I don't know what world you live in but you better snap out of it. What a load of crap!"
UpUrs
12:19:59 PM
06/16/03

More scatology from the troll. Fascination with the substance today. Which hand this time UpUrs?”

“Tom, under Klinton our military shrunk by 40% percent. The Air Force went from 36 fighter wings down to just 20. Air Force morale and readyness dropped to an all time low of 65%. Were it not for his massive cuts and closings of the Air Force it is concievable that we could have saved the second of the Twin Towers. But because the base near Jersey had been closed by Bill the F-16 had to scramble clear from Cape Cod they couldn't get there in time.

Thanks Bill ya sorry sack of a bastard.”

“Pretty funny Nigal.

Are you talking about McGuire AFB in central NJ? - its still there.

Didn't Bush support a base closing initiative in 2001? Aren’t closing decided by congressional committee?

What's more important: outmoded and unneeded bases or the best equipped and motivated soldiers possible? Would you protect bases or forces?”

“Q. What do you get when you cross a crooked politician with a dishonest
lawyer?











A. Chelsea!”

“McGuire is open, but I don't think the fighter wing is still there. The Air Mobility Command is there, and they fly tankers and cargo planes out of McGuire, But the fighters are long gone.”

“New Jersey is 20 miles from nowhere and 2 feet from hell.”

“Did someone miss the announcement about the collapse of the USSR?”

“Terrorism: The New Red Threat”

“So Nigal, since hindsight is so clear shouldn't Bush have reopened the base as soon as he became elected?”

“It's funny how you can point 9/11 to Clinton, but you can't accept the fact that our National Security Advisor and FBI ignored the evidence of an impending attack.

It's all politics, our Government let us down. And no one had experienced something like 9/11, it SHOCKED THE WORLD! It was the kind of thing they could tell you about and you wouldn't believe... at least that's how it felt to me as I was watching it.

The Clinton Administration did get enough JDAMs made so that Bush could use more guided bombs (converted dumb bombs) in Iraq, that is undeniable. I don't know if you guys have read the story, but the Reserve and Guard units are not going to meet recruiting goals. That is because a lot of those people were told 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year and have been on duty for over 2 years without an end in sight...”

“I'd rather support a president who cuts the excess fat off our military budget than one who's motto is:

"You're either with us, or against us...you're either good, or you're evil..."

Hey Bush! What's your platform for the next election...World Domination?!?”

“All you arm chair generals should stop by the library and pick up Col. Robert Patterson's, "Derilection of Duty."

That is those of you who have library cards.”

“"Did someone miss the announcement about the collapse of the USSR?"
Tilt

reagan”

“"Fellow citizens, fellow conservatives, our time has come
again. This is our moment. Let us unite, shoulder to shoulder,
behind one mighty banner for freedom. And let us go forward from
here not with some faint hope that our cause is not yet lost; let
us go forward confident that the American people share our values,
and that together we will be victorious. And in those moments when
we grow tired, when our struggle seems hard, remember what Eric
Liddell, Scotland's Olympic champion runner, said in Chariots
of Fire: 'So where does the power come from to see the race to
its end? From within. God made me for a purpose, and I will run
for His pleasure.' If we trust in Him, keep His word, and live
our lives for His pleasure, He'll give us the power we need --
power to fight the good fight, to finish the race and to keep
the faith." --Ronald Reagan”

“That explains it!!!!! You fellas get your news from the comics. Didn't Pheaddy already C/P that for us a few enlightening discussions ago, while trying to prove whatever?”

“ok, now THAT was funny!”

“"Fiddlesticks"?

Watch the innuendo, boys!”

“I never was very fond of Clinton - but its amusing how much his competence and success irritates the head in the sand conservatives (HISCs).

Reagan gets elected screaming about the debt and the deficit it spirals out of control. Clinton comes in and the HISCs scream he's gonna run up the deficit. He increases taxes and they scream that the recovery from the Bush recession is going to end. He succeeds at welfare reform, the economy booms and we have a huge and growing budget surplus (the first budge without a deficit since the last time we had 8 years of a democratic White House).

He successfully modernizes the military and garners tremendous international respect for American leadership.

Bush II - comes in and the surplus goes, international respect for American leadership goes, the economy slumps - despite war and big military spending we have the slowest recovery in ages.

I'm no great lover of Democrats. But Clinton, despite the smarm, was competent... managed the economy competently and this stands in very stark contrast to Bush II and the HISCs can't stand it.”

“And yet another Klinton Kool-Aid drinker...”

“LOL! See what I mean!

BTW: No one has challenged the objectivity of Mr. Korb in the piece that started this thread.”

“Nice rewrite of history ped.

You should write comic books.”

“Oh yeah, I forgot about the military base closings.

Those were hashed out by congressional committee before Klinton was even elected, but he gets the credit from the HISC's.

Good catch, Nigal!”

“Well said pedxing.”

“That was a joke Ped. 8) I have never thought of you as a line tower.

Why is that any negative aspect of Klinton’s military spending is blamed on Congress but you guys gives him all the credit for the military advances during his term? Building the better warrior? Building up J Dams (this can be attributed to the company that makes them coming up with a band that goes on existing dumb bombs)? Sheesh, ya’ll make it sound like he went down to Weapons R Us with a cool shopping list and hand picked this stuff himself.”

“Hail To The Chief!”

“Funny cartoon, but straight from the mouth of one scared ass DIA type, we had it hung WAY over the line when we did Afhganistan, and the light fast approach in Iraq wasn't a matter of choice.

Those in the know have been sweating ever since 9/11 because we were pulled down too far in military strength since 1992.

Remember all the talk of the heavy armored division on the way to save our bacon when the Iraqis dug in south of Baghdad? Coming over from Ft. Hood, armor capitol of the world?

I have video of those guys marching in formation in the field, making tank noises with their mouths because they had no fuel to train with real tanks.

Still, no sense letting reality get in the way of a good chuckle, thanks for the cartoon.

:-)”

“Here we go with the ridiculous, fashionable, moronic use of the letter K stuff.”

“. He increases taxes and they scream that the recovery from the Bush recession is going to end. He succeeds at welfare reform, the economy booms and we have a huge and growing budget surplus (the first budge without a deficit since the last time we had 8 years of a democratic White House).

He successfully modernizes the military and garners tremendous international respect for American leadership.



1)there was NEVER never never ever a surplus. it was progected. smoke and mirrors. a trick you would never allow GW to get away with.....only a liberal would be proud of overtaxion...

2)thank hillary for the good economy during that time. her socialized medicine debacle led to the republican revolution.

3)welfare reform? geesh ped, you think those words would have ever been uttered if it hadn't been for the republicans? this is WAY beneath you peddy.

4)your 'critical objectivity' is rusty and the real colors beneath are bleeding through.....”

“Strat – This gets really tiring. I don’t know if you’re deliberately lying or just sadly misinformed. You constantly misstate matters of fact and refuse to acknowledge when you are wrong. Go ahead and check the Office of Management and Budget figures.


Actual federal budget surplus:

1998 - $69.2 billion
1999 - $122.7 billion
2000 - $236.3 billion”

“More fractured phacts from Strat...

How do you argue with a guy who doesn't even know there were budget surpluses?

I didn't claim Clinton invented welfare reform - just that he promised it and it got done.

Again - I'm not a Clinton fan. He lied to the American people while looking into the camera, he lied while being deposed and he waffle on a lot of things. He took a lot from the Republicans and conservative Democrats. He was, however, highly competent and effective and if he didn't put his bjs and other things ahead of his presidency and his country, he might have ranked among the best. He may have been the best since Ike - its too soon for me to have formed a clear opinion.”

“I think Rush put a computer chip in what is left of Strat's brain...”

“"The Bush administration said the federal government ran a budget surplus of$127 billion in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30 [2001]. The figure was in line with the administration's forecasts in recent weeks, but it was down from $237 billion surplus of the year before and well below the [Bush]administration's projection in the summer. Excluding revenue from the Social Security program, the government ran a $34 billion deficit for the year." (New York Times, Tuesday, October 30, 2001)

Strat are you calling me and my boy Dubya, liars?”

“Full text... kinda sad looking at it:

PAUL SOLMAN: Since my career as a journalist and ham began in 1970, presidential candidates have come and gone; oil prices spurted up, down and up again; Japan's economic sun rose, then set. But there's been one constant theme over the decades: the ever-growing national debt and the budget deficits that kept pumping it up.

PAUL SOLMAN (from 1988): Let's use the standard graphic device for representing the budget: the pie…

PAUL SOLMAN: And we've used various props to describe the deficits: like this coconut custard pie in the 1980s, to illustrate the relative shares of federal spending or this icing on the cake of 1992; to show how deficits were still with us as government revenues continued to fall short of spending.

PAUL SOLMAN (from 1992): As you may have heard, we're gonna come up a little short again in '92, to the tune of something like $300 billion.

PAUL SOLMAN: But now, suddenly, the government is running a surplus: an estimated $230 billion this year alone, and, as projected by the Congressional Budget Office, roughly four and a half trillion dollars over the next decade.

Trading places
VICE PRESIDENT AL GORE: Today, I am announcing that we will under-spend the surplus rather than over-promise our way into an economic hole.

PAUL SOLMAN: That's Al Gore, of course, and what he's saying illustrates another big change over the years: even in an era of surpluses, the Democrat sounds like the fiscal conservative.

VICE PRESIDENT AL GORE: Our national government should do what so many families have done for years, namely set aside some money for a rainy day, to be absolutely certain that we never spend money that we don't have.

PAUL SOLMAN: Gore pledges to use some two-thirds of the projected surplus to lower the accumulated national debt. Essentially saving the money. It's a position once associated with old-time, fiscally conservative Republicans. But then came Ronald Reagan, supply-side economics, and today, George W. Bush. When it comes to paying down the debt, the Republican candidate would use much less of the surplus than the Democrat -- between a quarter and at most a half, depending on how you interpret Bush's Social Security plan.

GOVERNOR GEORGE BUSH: Half the surplus is gonna go for Social Security reform and to pay down debt. One quarter is gonna go for new programs that are needed. But I think it's fair, and I think it's right, that one quarter go back to the hard working Americans who pay the bills.

PAUL SOLMAN: Underlying Bush's program is an assumption: that tax cuts will spur economic growth and result in a bonanza of greater surpluses in the future.

Leaving aside their differences for a moment, though, both parties intend to pay off at least some of the national debt, which now totals more than $5 trillion.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/economy/july-dec00/surplus_10-3.html”

“I can hear it now...

Buuut Ped, 9-11 changed all that!”