Sacramento area activists

“Way ta go, Phaedrus.

50+ posts on a Saturday... wow dude.”

“Washington -- The White House has narrowed its search for the administration's environment chief to three candidates, including Idaho's Republican Gov. Dirk Kempthorne, congressional and industry sources Thursday.

Another candidate on the short-list to head the Environmental Protection Agency -- which oversees the protection of the nation's air, water and land -- is Midwest EPA administrator Tom Skinner, the sources said.

The other is Linda Fisher, a deputy EPA director and former Monsanto Co. executive who will temporarily replace current EPA administrator Christine Todd Whitman after her scheduled departure on June 27.”

“Actually, Tilt, I was hoping that this thread wouldn't blow up, but rather that one or two interested people would come with me on Sunday or Monday and keep me company. Ah well. feed the rage, right?

:)”

“Also, Nowslimmer, I thought I'd repost this from this previous thread. This is not something I saw this week and decided to go out and protest. This is a long-standing belief of mine that I now have an opportunity to be very verbal about.


Baume et al, I'm not suggesting we throw the baby out with the bathwater. I didn't say that everything about the corporations is evil. Please don't stop taking your Claritin or Paxil.



Here's my argument in a nutshell:



1. Corporations (note corporations, not science, not modern medicine, not "progress") are entites that are solely dedicated to profit. Profit and liability is what drives all corporate actions. This should really be self-evident.



2. If profitability and public health conflict, the corporate entity should be expected to come down on the side of profitability, barring legal liability (which would cut into profits).



3. In the rush to market GM foods and by-products, some corporations may hedge on safety with disasterous results. This is not because any one person had a moral failing and said "yeah it's dangerous, but screw it. Let em eat it!" Rather, the timeline for testing is shortened, the number of tests reduced, no peer review is done, and the company puts out a product it believes is safe... Perhaps this is a bad decision, but once it's made, the damage is done.



Do any of you know what our current testing regimen is on GM products before they go to market? How many studies have been done on the effects of GM foods on humans?



Or maybe you figure that if you've been eating it for five years already, it's fine, since you haven't died.



What happens if, in a couple of years, hundreds of people start developing a rare form of stomach or intestinal cancer that scientist can relate to a substance given off in trace amounts by a human gut bacteria while it digests some heretofore unknown protein? Which GM food do you target? None of them are labelled.



Okay, this is just my imagination running naked through the sprinklers, and it may be far from science, but where is the science that tells me all the ramifications of GM foods?



Read Arpad Pusztai's Story and try to decide for yourself why the GM food industry went to such great lengths to shut him up.”

“

"Boy, Nowslimmer sure got my goat. Whew!"
Phaedrus

Thanks. I appreciate knowing when I've been successful.

I'm taking a break from this subject for a while, probably for a day or so. I need to get some other things done. I appreciated your additional posts. It will take a while, but I will back up every statement that I posted. However, we may only differ on the means used to accomplish an objective. Can we be friends for the day?

NO! Alright then, you're a "scumbag," a rabble-rouser, an agitating, rotten, no-good activist. I'm going to pulverize you, crush you into the pavement from where you protest and then, I'll sweep you up with the rest of debris left by your rude crowd(just joking). LOL

Right now I want to go buy and sample some of this GE food. Hey, if they don't identify it on the packages, how do I know what to buy?
---------------------------------- Get active - Clean a trail,
while I go solicit help from my "bro," Alaska.”

“I've eaten goat. It definitely needs some GE.”

“Phaedrus, I appreciate the fact that you've actually done a little research and have interest in the issue. Good for you! Unfortunately, I imagine you will be one of very few informed protestors. Given the national "mobilization" for the event, I expect a bunch of naive "wannabe anarchists" just trying to raise hell and break things.

As someone who works a block away from the Convention Center, I am not very thrilled with the prospect. If I get tear-gassed over my lunch hour I'm gonna be pissed!”

“watch out for his skillsaw, foamy”

“Hey foamsinger, email me with your place of business and I'll make sure my hired group of guerrilla protestors skip that building when we start breaking glass.

Sheesh

Nowslimmer, The organization has a meeting every wednesday night. I'm going this week, so I'll let you know what I find out about their sources of funding and the like.”

“[yawn]

A non-issue.”

“Gordon once again chimes in with his extravagant wit and knowledge.

It's a little like a fart: Offensive and foul, but without any substance.”

“soem of MY farts have tremendous substance....”

“Bleach will help when you're done.”

“skid marks can be underated.....”

“Identifies you as a card-carrying republican? (sorry, couldn't resist)”

“hardy har har , paheddy mCstinkybutt”

“Just because countless people sacrificed to guarantee your rights to free speech and assembly doesn’t mean you have to use them.

Sheesh.

Watch TV or something more American.”

“DOWN WITH SLUGS!”

“We really need to protest the unsafe additives put into our foods. Dihydrogen monoxide is known fatal in large doses and can be in very low doses. Normally found in liquid form, it causes human tissue damage in the gaseous and solid form. It is a major component of acid rain and dissolves solid rock, yet has never been tested as safe by the FDA. It is widely used in the food industry. Foods prepared with this substance can still be labeled 'organic' under the legal guidelines.

BAN IT NOW!”

“Man, I hope to get some good video footage is this gets outta hand! I'll be on bike!

I haven't come to any conclusions on Frankenfoods...”

“Gordon, please kiss my ass.

Water... And you're not even original. Some kid came up with this idea and you're parroting it. Moron.

Snopes page on the H2O project.”

“Ok, don't see an issue yet, try this.

GM wheat pollenates in the field. The winds blows the pollen around. Pollen can travel for hundreds of miles and still be viable. GM pollen pollenates a non GM crop. Guess what, now they are BOTH GM wether the growers whan them to be or not.”

“Gordon, please kiss my ass.

Phaedrus
02:53:43 PM
06/16/03

Leave me out of your weird sexual fantasies.”

“Well Gordon, I'm sure he was n't talking literally, but if you like to visualize that, then that's ok, really it is.
At least your views are now in such a minority (environmental not sexual) that the Bush administration, vehicle manufactures and the oil industry now disavow them. When we find out more, your views about GM foods will surely be shared by least a couple of other people.”

“"DOWN WITH SLUGS!"

UP WITH RUBBER BULLETS!”

“Hey Rosey, if you're going to be down there, we need to hook up for an organic beer. :)”

“"The anti-obesity campaign might seem preposterous and amusing
were it not for the successes of the anti-tobacco campaign
premised on the idea that individuals are not responsible for
their choices. It's a logical follow-up: Food producers, not
people themselves, are responsible for overindulgence. Since
we have socialized medicine, obesity adds to the nation's
health-care costs through its contribution to obesity-related
health problems such as diabetes, cancer and cardiovascular
disease. According to the food Nazis, that means government
has a stake in controlling what we eat. Americans salute the
results of the anti-tobacco campaign that brought successful
multibillion-dollar suits against tobacco companies and levied
steep tobacco taxes. In some jurisdictions, such as New York City,
taxes have led to the tripling of cigarette prices, not to mention
the creation of black markets. I'm wondering whether my fellow
Americans would like the food Nazi campaign to produce the same
outcome. In other words, how would we like taxes that create $10
hamburgers, $5 cans of beer and $12 for a pound of Oreo cookies?
Maybe as an alternative to taxes, there might be a call for laws
similar to what's called the Dram Shop Act in some states, which
prohibits the sale of alcohol to intoxicated persons. Applied
to food, that law might ban the sale of hamburgers and fries
to a fat person, or a mandate that scales be placed in front
of cash registers where a customer is weighed prior to a sale.
Instead of hamburgers and fries, an overweight customer is
offered a tasty salad, instead. Instead of suing Nabisco to
stop children from eating Oreos, we might have a law requiring
proof of age prior to purchase. We could use endangering minors
law to exact stiff penalties against parents who gave Oreos to
their children. The anti-obesity movement is simply another
step down the road to serfdom and, what's worse, Americans are
voluntarily assisting the nation's tyrants." --Walter E. Williams”

“I heard on NPR the other day that the Brits are talking about a "fatty food tax" to help with their $1 billion cost for treating the fat people that drain on their socialized medicine. Wierd!”

“I just feel that this person does not know what he is protesting or for whom he is protesting.

Is it wrong to try to feed the poor?

nowslimmer
11:32:51 PM
06/14/03

It will take a while, but I will back up every statement that I posted

nowslimmer
08:56:51 AM
06/15/03

Sacramento Bee story”

“Phaedrus - For now I'm bugging out on you. I'm too busy getting ready to go bp'ing from now until November.

You'll have to figure out exactly what you're proteesting yourself. I figure that if you knew, you could have stated it in your own words.

Your latest link finally explains some of the objectives of the "activitists" for this event. Thanks for posting the link.

Good luck.”

“let's protest boogerist!”

“I explained it well in my own words, Nowslimmer. I even posted one of my old posts on the subject. If you still don't understand it, I can't help you.

You have enough free time to post here, but not, apparently to back those posts up with fact.

You seem to have taken a number of things at face value, and now are unable or unwilling to admit that they were not as they appeared.

My apologies if this was a subject you felt secure on before my post.

Good luck to you.”

“Nice to see some civility in this debate, gentlemen.”

“at least he wasn't smug[eyeroll]”

“You'll have to figure out exactly what you're protesting yourself. I figure that if you knew, you could have stated it in your own words.

Your latest link finally explains some of the objectives of the "activitists" for this event. Thanks for posting the link.

Good luck."
nowslimmer
06:08:26 PM
06/20/03

Don't hold your breath. When Phaedy starts using his own words they are four letter.”

“Ahh, classic bacpac post.”

“

"You have enough free time to post here, but not, apparently to back those posts up with fact." Phaedrus

Trying to get my goat, Phaedrus. Even though you used the word, "apparently," you are making a strong implication. You dont't have the facts or knowledge for your speculation. Sorry, but I'll continue to make my own decisions as to allocation of my time.

Actually, my posts don't require further facts. You don't accept them and it is unlikely that you will accept my spelling them out further for you. I've made my own time estimate on doing it and, as such, the priority of my doing it is very low.

I never realized how much help it was to have a wife around, or a mother, or someone, to take care of things during a long absence. FYI, I am trying to get to to Nashville in time to meet Phil and the others next Tuesday. This is a fantastic opportunity that I do not want to miss. I have many other obligations and things that need to be done, since I will not return to Florida until Nov. or Dec.

Ahh, a typical nowslimmer post.”

“It will take a while, but I will back up every statement that I posted

nowslimmer
08:56:51 AM
06/15/03

Okay, then I'll just continue to wait.

And your posts DO indeed require more facts. Most of the opinion you have espoused can be kind of summed up like this:

-- The protesters and protest groups have ulterior motives which invalidate the causes they are rallying around --

I'm waiting for an explanation of that. Let me know if I've got it wrong.

It's fine if you don't have time to do so - I certainly understand the complexity of planning for an undertaking such as yours. I wish you well on your trip! That said, however, I refuse to allow the false assertion that I am blindly following a group to these protests to go unchallenged.

I emailed Heidi Mclean and spoke to another of the rally coordinators at this last Wednesday's meeting, and I am very confident that I have a firm grasp of who is involved in organizing this. Their motives are their own and happen to parallel mine.

Your portrayal of the protests as "a fun thing to do" and your implications of "professional protesters" belittle the common causes that these people have come together to stand for. You have also refused to debate the merits of these causes on their own, leading me to believe that you have little real understanding of the issues at hand here. I apologize if I am wrong about that, but it's all I've seen from you.

Again, I understand not having time to gather facts and data to support your arguments, but I would hope that you would have them more readily available for any future opinions you plan to post relating to me being uninformed. Thanks!”

“Quoters make me laugh...”

“Where is phraedy?

I expected him back extolling the virtues of protesting and condemning the arrests as 'police brutality'.

Or was phraedy one of those arrested?”

“or is he heading to the rainbow gathering in UT?”

“I'm back, and i'll be posting pictures and a trip report.

Glad to see you're reading related articles, Nowslimmer.”