Yet another republican terrorist

“Here's yet another republican who resorts to terrorist tactics when he doesn't like what others are doing rather than let the law take its course. Just destroy computers! What's next, air strikes against people's homes who let their dogs bark outside at night?


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Illegally download copyright music from the Internet once, or even twice, and you get a warning. Do it a third time, and your computer gets destroyed.

That's the suggestion made by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at a Tuesday hearing on copyright abuse, reflecting a growing frustration in Congress over failure of the technology and entertainment industries to protect copyrights in a digital age.

The surprise statement by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, that he favors developing technology to remotely destroy computers used for illegal downloads represents a dramatic escalation in the increasingly contentious rhetoric over pirated music.

Protected by anti-hack laws
During a discussion of methods to frustrate computer users who illegally exchange music and movie files over the Internet, Hatch asked technology executives about ways to damage computers involved in such file trading. Legal experts have said any such attack would violate federal anti-hacking laws.

"No one is interested in destroying anyone's computer," replied Randy Saaf of MediaDefender Inc., a secretive Los Angeles company that builds technology to deliberately download pirated material very slowly so other users can't.

"I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."

The senator, a composer who earned $18,000 last year in song-writing royalties, acknowledged Congress would have to enact an exemption for copyright owners from liability for damaging computers. He endorsed technology that would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer.""


http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/18/download.music.ap/index.html”

“hatch is a songwriter. as a musician i can understand his position on copyright infringment.


as a human being, i will never understand alaska's rediculous trains of thought...”

“Alaska

WTF? Terrorist? Grow up.”

“LOL”

“terrorist? I'd call it instant justice, law breakers get zapped, works for me.”

“Hey get off Alaska's case. He is the prototype liberal. At least he has the balls to show he is nuts.”

“I didn't know if I should post this here or on the "Typical Republican Hypocricy" thread but here goes.




Orrin Hatch: Software Pirate?

Wired News

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) suggested Tuesday that people who download copyright materials from the Internet should have their computers automatically destroyed.

But Hatch himself is using unlicensed software on his official website, which presumably would qualify his computer to be smoked by the system he proposes.

The senator's site makes extensive use of a JavaScript menu system developed by Milonic Solutions, a software company based in the United Kingdom. The copyright-protected code has not been licensed for use on Hatch's website.

"It's an unlicensed copy," said Andy Woolley, who runs Milonic. "It's very unfortunate for him because of those comments he made."

Hatch on Tuesday surprised a Senate hearing on copyright issues with the suggestion that technology should be developed to remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music from the Net.

Hatch said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights," the Associated Press reported. He then suggested the technology would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer."

Any such technology would be in violation of federal antihacking laws. The senator, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, suggested Congress would have to make copyright holders exempt from current laws for them to legally destroy people's computers.

On Wednesday, Hatch clarified his comments, but stuck by the original idea. "I do not favor extreme remedies -- unless no moderate remedies can be found," he said in a statement. "I asked the interested industries to help us find those moderate remedies."

Just as well. Because if Hatch's terminator system embraced software as well as music, his servers would be targeted for destruction.

Milonic Solutions' JavaScript code used on Hatch's website costs $900 for a site-wide license. It is free for personal or nonprofit use, which the senator likely qualifies for.

However, the software's license stipulates that the user must register the software to receive a licensing code, and provide a link in the source code to Milonic's website.

On Wednesday, the senator's site met none of Milonic's licensing terms. The site's source code (which can be seen by selecting Source under the View menu in Internet Explorer) had neither a link to Milonic's site nor a registration code.

However, by Thursday afternoon Hatch's site had been updated to contain some of the requisite copyright information. An old version of the page can be seen by viewing Google's cache of the site.

"They're using our code," Woolley said Wednesday. "We've had no contact with them. They are in breach of our licensing terms."

When contacted Thursday, Woolley said the company that maintains the senator's site had e-mailed Milonic to begin the registration process. Woolley said the code added to Hatch's site after the issue came to light met some -- but not all -- of Milonic's licensing requirements.

Before the site was updated, the source code on Hatch's site contained the line: "* i am the license for the menu (duh) *"

Woolley said he had no idea where the line came from -- it has nothing to do with him, and he hadn't seen it on other websites that use his menu system.

"It looks like it's trying to cover something up, as though they got a license," he said.

A spokesman in Hatch's office on Wednesday responded, "That's ironic" before declining to put Wired News in contact with the site's webmaster. He deferred comment on the senator's statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee, which did not return calls.

The apparent violation was discovered by Laurence Simon, an unemployed system administrator from Houston, who was poking around Hatch's site after becoming outraged by his comments.

Milonic's Woolley said the senator's unlicensed use of his software was just "the tip of the iceberg." He said he knows of at least two other senators using unlicensed copies of his software, and many big companies.

Continental Airlines, for example, one of the largest airlines in the United States, uses Woolley's system throughout its Continental.com website. Woolley said the airline has not paid for the software. Worse, the copyright notices in the source code have been removed.

"That really pisses me off," he said.

A spokesman for Continental said the airline would look into the matter.

Woolley makes his living from his software. Like a lot of independent programmers, he struggles to get people to conform to his licensing terms, let alone pay for his software.

"We don't want blood," he said. "We just want payment for the hard work we do. We work very, very hard. If they're not prepared to pay, they're software pirates."”

“Par for the course.”

“I agree that Hatch is untimately responsible for the copyright infringement (if there is one), I'd bet he had now idea what software was on his webserver (he probably does now). What senator would know that? I don't know all the softeare that is on my desktop and I actually use the damn thing.”

“Borin' Orrin has a long history of hypocrisy. If I were to go on a very public rampage against something, I would check to make sure I wasn't breaking any of the rules first. But like I said, he's brushed off his own hypocrisy many times already in the past.”

“I don't think it was a planned campaign. I think he just shot off his mouth. Kinda like we do here. I guess people in public places need to think about those things, huh.”

“"What's next, air strikes against people's homes who let their dogs bark outside at night?"

Saaaaayyyyyyy, that's not a bad idea...”

“[hides bucky in the closet]”

“Duncan's e-mail note ignites fury
Fresno council member wrote of using 'dirty bomb' to kill liberals.

By Pablo Lopez and Matt Leedy
The Fresno Bee
(Published Friday, August 15, 2003, 8:50 AM)



Fresno residents and community leaders, outraged by an e-mail message in which City Council Member Jerry Duncan wished he had a "dirty bomb" to kill every liberal in Fresno, called Thursday for his resignation, recall or reprimand.
A crowd that gathered in City Hall also chastised City Council Member Brian Calhoun and his chief assistant, Ann Kloose, who wrote in an e-mail that police should "Cap" members of the Human Relations Commission.

_____ Related item _____
• Read some of the e-mails



The commissioners voted unanimously Thursday to ask City Council President Tom Boyajian to reprimand Duncan. They also want Duncan to formally apologize to the commission and the community at the council's Tuesday meeting.

"An elected official used city time and city equipment to make threatening remarks about volunteers for the community," Commissioner Cary Catalano said. "What type of precedent does this set for members of the community who want to be involved but are fearful that if they disagree with an elected official, they will be threatened?"

Fellow council members called the e-mails embarrassing. A few commissioners said they were childish and distracting. Leaders of Peace Fresno were saddened and offended.

About 30 people filled a second-story meeting room at City Hall, where the HRC gathered for its regular meeting. Most agreed they would be scrutinized by authorities, and likely face harsh punishment, if they made comments similar to those attributed to Duncan and Kloose.

Kelly Borkert of Fresno said if Duncan "had any dignity and self-respect for the city, he would resign."

Duncan and Kloose typed out their remarks June 10 during a council budget hearing on funding for the city's Human Relations Commission.

Kloose wrote to Calhoun: "If these HRC folks bring down a crowd and get unruly, I'm calling [police] to send over some officers to 'Cap' these guys ;-)"

At the same meeting, Duncan e-mailed two of his staff members and Kloose: "If I had one dirty bomb and I could eliminate all the liberals in Fresno at once."

When Duncan was asked whether the commission's public criticism was motivated by politics, he said: "Absolutely. ... The response I have gotten from the public on this has been 100% supportive."

Commissioners said comments voiced at their Thursday meeting had nothing to do with politics.

"It's about the difference between what is right and what is wrong," Catalano said. "And this was absolutely wrong."

The Fresno City Attorney's Office made the e-mails public after The Bee submitted a public records request to learn what council members were writing during the city's recent budget deliberations that resulted in a $726 million budget.

Calhoun and Kloose declined to comment about the messages.

Duncan issued a statement: "The e-mail was not intended for public consumption. It was nothing more than a flippant comment. ... For anyone who may have read this two-month-old e-mail, who was not part of this private conversation and somehow misunderstood or was offended by the comments, I apologize."

Commissioners were unmoved by Duncan's statement.

"I believe he apologized because he was caught, not because he was sorry he said it," Catalano said.

Continued...”

“" message from vIoLiN being ignored"

Gawd what a beautiful sight...”

“So this means I can make rude comments about Nigal behind his back?

That would be mature.”

“I'm just picturing Nigal with his fingers stuck in his ears going "nah, nah, nah... I can't hear you."”

“Note to conservatives:
Liberals are like cockroaches and will survive a nuclear holocaust. Resistance is futile. Resort to sticking your head in the sand or listening to Rush for temporary relief.”

“Investigators say Janklow was driving about 20 mph over the speed limit when he ran a stop sign Saturday at a rural intersection in eastern South Dakota and collided with a Harley-Davidson driven by Randolph Scott, who died at the scene.

Authorities said Janklow was doing an estimated 70 mph to 75 mph before the crash; the speed limit is 55.

Moody County prosecutor William Ellingson is reviewing an investigative report into the crash and deciding whether to charge Janklow, who was elected to South Dakota's lone House seat last year. The Republican previously served four years as state attorney general in the 1970s and 16 years as governor.

Possible charges include second-degree manslaughter, a felony, and reckless driving, a misdemeanor.

Yet another REPUBLICAN terrorist driving like a maniac killing innocent people by blowing through stop signs at 75 mph. Who cares about Iraq when Republicans kill more Americans than some bogus WMD.”

“Isn't Tom Daschell from SD? That guys sucks politically not to mention he won't give Lenoard Peltier a new trial..that guy has been in prison forever after being set up by the FBI.”

“WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Ralph Nader and other consumer advocates called on South Dakota congressman William Janklow to resign Thursday after Janklow was involved in a fatal wreck near his hometown earlier this month.

"There is no need to wait for prosecutors or civil suits by the next-of-kin to haul you into South Dakota's courts," Nader wrote in a letter to Janklow, a first-term House Republican and former governor. "You should resign your congressional seat immediately in atonement for what was only going to be a matter of time -- the taking of life by a driver relentlessly bent on turning his vehicle into a lawless, dangerous missile."

Nader wrote that Janklow had been cited several times previously for "excessive speeding and reckless driving," and said that "for years you have spoken, some would say even boasted, about your penchant for driving very fast on public highways."

Janklow, 63, was elected to South Dakota's sole seat in the House of Representatives in 2002 after serving four terms as governor. His office did not immediately respond to Nader's call for his resignation.

Janklow was at the wheel in an August 16 collision with a motorcyclist near the congressman's hometown of Flandreau, South Dakota, the state Highway Patrol said. The motorcyclist -- Randolph E. Scott, 55, of Hardwick, Minnesota -- was pronounced dead at the scene.

No charges have been filed against Janklow in the accident. But an accident report, according to the Associated Press, says that Jankow was driving 20 mph hours over the speed limit.

Nader, the Green Party candidate for president in 2000, said Janklow should face second-degree manslaugher charges.

The letter was co-signed by two of Nader's allies: Joan Claybrook, president of the Nader-founded consumer advocacy group Public Citizen; and Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the Nader-affilliated Center for Auto Safety.

Nader wrote that Janklow has acknowledged earlier speeding tickets publicly, and he urged the congressman to give up his driver's license as well as his office.”

“CNN) -- U.S. Rep. Bill Janklow was charged Friday with manslaughter in the second degree, a class-four felony in South Dakota, said a court official in Flandreau, South Dakota.

The Republican was charged in connection with the August 16 death of a motorcyclist at an intersection near Janklow's hometown, Flandreau.

The charges, which were filed Friday morning, also include one count of failing to stop at a stop sign, one count of driving "at least" 71 mph in a 55 mph zone and one count of reckless driving, said Karla Bjerke, clerk of the court in Moody County.

If convicted, Janklow could face a maximum sentence of 10 years in the state penitentiary and a $10,000 fine.

Janklow, 63, was at the wheel of the car involved in the weekend collision in eastern South Dakota that killed Randolph E. Scott, 53, of Hardwick, Minnesota.”

“(AP) Four days after saying he "couldn't be sorrier" for a traffic collision that killed a motorcyclist, Rep. Bill Janklow pleaded innocent Friday to manslaughter.

The Republican former governor also pleaded innocent on three misdemeanor charges in the Aug. 16 wreck.

Authorities allege Janklow was driving a Cadillac 71 mph in a 55-mph zone and had just run a stop sign at a rural intersection near Trent when he collided with the Harley-Davidson, killing 55-year-old Randy Scott.

Trial was set for Dec. 1.

Besides second-degree manslaughter, which has a maximum punishment of 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine, Janklow is charged with reckless driving, speeding and running a stop sign.

He is allowed to remain free on a personal recognizance bond.

Some Scott relatives and Janklow supporters attended Friday's session, which lasted only a few minutes in a packed courtroom.

Outsider were about a dozen protesters. As Janklow left, some yelled chants such as, "No justice, no peace," and "He's a killer."

Janklow, 64, had told an investigator he saw the stop sign but was going too fast to stop before colliding with the motorcycle.

On Monday, Janklow called a news conference in Sioux Falls and said he "couldn't be sorrier" for the accident. He also said he still suffers from memory loss and confusion from a head injury. But Janklow said he had no plans to resign because he's still able to carry out his duties.

"He also said he still suffers from memory loss and CONFUSION from a head injury. But Janklow said he had no plans to resign because he's still able to carry out his duties."

That explains everything, Bill.”

“Traffic idiot = terrorist?”

“Janklow to quit after manslaughter verdict
South Dakota congressman facing jail term
Monday, December 8, 2003 Posted: 9:48 PM EST (0248 GMT)



Janklow could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted of manslaughter.

FLANDREAU, South Dakota (AP) -- Rep. Bill Janklow announced Monday he will resign from Congress after being convicted earlier in the day of manslaughter in a collision that killed a motorcyclist.

"I wish to inform you that because of present circumstances, I will be unable to perform the duties incumbent on me in representing the people of South Dakota as their U.S. representative," Janklow wrote in a letter that he said was to be sent to House Speaker Dennis Hastert on Tuesday.

"Therefore I wish to inform you that I will resign from the House of Representatives, effective January 20, 2004." It is the same date Janklow is scheduled to be sentenced for his manslaughter conviction.

Janklow was convicted Monday of manslaughter for a collision that killed a motorcyclist. The jury rejected the congressman's claim that he was disoriented by a diabetic reaction.

Janklow, 64, was charged with reckless driving, running a stop sign, speeding and second-degree manslaughter for the August 16 crash at a rural intersection that killed motorcyclist Randy Scott, 55.

Janklow could face up to 10 years in prison.

The prosecution and defense spent Monday morning summing up their cases, and the jury got the case shortly before 1 p.m. CST.

The defense maintained that Janklow was suffering a diabetic reaction at the time of the crash but did not know it because the symptoms were masked by heart medication he was taking.

But Ellyson said Janklow lied about what happened to three different officers at the scene. Janklow had told two troopers and a deputy that he was trying to avoid a white car when the accident occurred.

Janklow's driving is "unbelievably awful and menacing," Ellyson said. "His driving causes him to tell false stories."”

“I think justice was done, but its nothing to crow about. A sad day for Janklow and no real compensation for Scott's family. He may have had a diabetic buzz, but that didn't give him much of a defense - since he'd been caught speeding in the extreme through that interestection before. Lying about the white car while at the scene didn't help him either. It would have been better if he hadn't tried to beat the rap twice (by lying at the scene and coping the diabetes pleas) - but it would take some huge strength of character to honestly own something like that.”

“It's only Republican nature to lie.”

“USA, I am a Republican, and it is not my nature to lie.

I await your apology.”

“Blinded by the Right : The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative
by David Brock (Author)

Austin Kaiser's comments:
Former fanatical right-winger tells the story of Republican liars, adulterers, draft-dodgers, and drug addicts--the usual bunch.


Weapons of Mass Deception: The Uses of Propaganda in Bush's War on Iraq
by Sheldon Rampton, John C. Stauber

Austin Kaiser's comments:
Read how a draft-dodger lied to us and sent our soldiers to die overseas for his own political gain, extinguishing the lives of Americans who didn't have rich fathers to keep them at home.


The Lies of George W. Bush: Mastering the Politics of Deception
by David Corn (Author)

Austin Kaiser's comments:
Our court-appointed "president" is a whiny, rich, elitist pathological liar who sends lower-class Americans to die so his millionaire friends can get richer. Wonder why we hate him?


Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right
by Al Franken

Austin Kaiser's comments:
Brilliant exposé of the Right's dishonesty, duplicity, hypocrisy, and greed.


Big Lies: The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth
by Joe Conason (Author)

Austin Kaiser's comments:
Examines how a party with no credibility has formed a propaganda machine to spread its untruths. Riveting.


Dude, Where's My Country?
by Michael Moore (Author)

Austin Kaiser's comments:
Moore wonders why so many are willing to tolerate the lies, greed, destruction, and evil of the Bush regime. A very good question.


Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot
by Al Franken (Author)
Austin Kaiser's comments:
And a drug addict who lies to the public and sends his maid to score illegal substances for him in parking lots. Yes, indeed--he's more than just big, fat, and an idiot. He's also a criminal.



The Oh Really? Factor: Unspinning Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly
by Peter Hart, Robert W. McChesney

Austin Kaiser's comments:
Bill O'Reilly is a liar. Being a Republican, this is to be expected. However, this book demonstrates the depths to which this blowhard is willing to sink in order to further his agenda.”

“more mindless drivel

grow up

Do only Republicans drive recklessly?”

“Lying ain't a problem exclusive to one party or the other. It weren't no Republican president - looking us all in the eyes and saying he didn't have sex with that woman.”

“no moral equivalency to lying about the war - but still important to remember”

“more mindless drivel

grow up

Do only Republicans drive recklessly?"

I don't know, how about asking Ted Kennedy?”

“WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Jamie Gorelick, a member of the commission investigating the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, said Saturday that she received death threats this week after a number of conservatives alleged that her former work in the Justice Department may have contributed to failures leading to the attacks.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/17/gorelick.threats/index.html”

“I don't believe Gorelicks is a Republican, nor should she be labeled a terrorist, regardless of her incompetency.”

“"she received death threats this week after a number of conservatives alleged..."

Conservatives made the death threats, conservatives are the terrorists.”

“All this time I thought the terrorists were the terrorists.”

“Hey USA,
The article does not state conservatives made the threats, nor does it state the conservatives are republicans. Why the strong aversion to facts? By the way, aversion means a fixed, intense dislike. Or to put it on your level, "mommy make them go away!"”

“WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A U.S. congressman was briefly detained at a Kentucky airport Tuesday after authorities found a loaded gun in his bag at a screening checkpoint, authorities said.

Rep. John Hostettler, R-Indiana, "completely forgot" he had the gun in his bag as he prepared to take a US Airways flight to Washington for the first day of work after a two-week recess, a spokesman for the congressman said.

A Homeland Security Department official said Hostettler had a loaded 9 mm Glock pistol in his bag at Louisville International Airport .

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/20/congressman.gun/index.html”

“Islamic group seeks firing of radio host

By Jessica Bennett, Boston Globe Correspondent | April 25, 2004

A national Islamic antidefamation organization called Friday for the firing of Boston talk-radio host Jay Severin after he allegedly suggested in his afternoon talk show that the United States should "kill all Muslims."

The statement -- made during Severin's show Thursday on WTKK-FM -- was allegedly part of a discussion about how Severin believes Muslims want to take over the world, said Rabiah Ahmed, a spokeswoman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

She said he then remarked, "I've got an idea, let's kill all Muslims."

The council was notified of the statement by a caller, Ahmed said.

"This type of hate speech affects everyone," Ahmed said, adding that she spoke with WTKK's general manager on Friday. "It causes a downward spiral of hostility toward interfaith relations . . . and our society should not tolerate it."

Matthew Mills, WTKK's general manager, declined to comment on Severin's alleged comments yesterday. But WHDH television reported that a WTKK representative said Severin would apologize on his show Monday.

Ahmed said that on Friday, Mills told her organization that the statement was taken out of context.

"He said that [Severin] wasn't talking about American Muslims, he was talking about Muslims outside the US . . . but I don't know how a statement like `lets kill all Muslims' can be put in any type of context that would be OK," Ahmed said. "We recognize the importance of free speech, but people need to be responsible."”

“Is this going to be par for the course in political debate from now on? Ann Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh all throwing around threats and not getting called for it. Sick.”

“Boston Globe reporter lied, Severin made no such statement. Boston Blobe printed a retracion on 4/26.”

“Maybe you didn't mean to lie directly, Hawkeye.


FOR THE RECORD
Date: April 27, 2004 Page: A2 Section: Metro/Region

* Correction: Because of a reporting error, a story in Sunday's City & Region section about WTKK-FM talk show host Jay Severin said that, according to the spokeswoman of an advocacy organization, Severin allegedly suggested the "United States should `kill all Muslims."' According to a tape of the show, a caller suggested the United States should befriend Muslims, and Severin responded: "You think we should befriend them; I think we should kill them."

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=1023CE92A7F5D97C&p_docnum=1



Then they printed this:

RADIO HOST SAYS REMARKS MISCONSTRUED
Author(s): Michael S. Rosenwald, Globe Staff Date: April 27, 2004 Page: B2 Section: Metro/Region

Radio talk show host Jay Severin said in an interview last night that perhaps he should have acknowledged that he wasn't talking about all Muslims in the United States last week when he said to a caller, "You think we should befriend them; I think we should kill them."

Severin, who on his show yesterday afternoon vehemently defended the comment, said that anyone who listened to his show for "any length of time longer than 10 minutes has heard me say that Muslims are not our enemies, that all Muslims are not terrorists." "But, thus far, all the terrorists killing us are Muslims, and that distinction is one I have made every single time, including last Thursday, and every single time that we have discussed the topic of Islam and the war on terror, as those of you who listen, at least most of us who listen know," he said on yesterday's show.

In a telephone interview later, he said: "I have so many times offered the disclaimer that I didn't feel it necessary to utter the words, `You know, the ones who are killing us.' I appreciate that under the surgical circumstances here that I wish I kind of had."

But he added, "I can't assume that everyone party to the conversation joined it five seconds ago."

"I guess," he said, "that I didn't sufficiently hit the refresh button."

The Globe reported on Sunday that the Council on American-Islamic Relations received a complaint in which a listener told the organization that Severin had said, "I've got an idea, let's kill all Muslims."

Severin's employer, WTKK-FM, declined to offer a tape or transcript of last Thursday's show, but the Globe obtained a copy from a radio monitoring service yesterday. Severin's comment, "You think we should befriend them; I think we should kill them," came at the end of a conversation with a caller named Chris from Rhode Island who suggested that the United States befriend Muslims in this country "to help us root out their leaders who aren't really Muslims."

As part of his response, Severin said, "I believe that Muslims in this country are a fifth column. . . . The vast majority of Muslims in this country are very obviously loyal, not to the United States, but to their religion. And I'm worried that when the time comes for them to stand up and be counted, the reason they are here is to take over our culture and eventually take over our country."

He said: "My suspicion is that the majority of Muslims in the United States, who regard themselves as Muslims first and not as Americans really at all, see an American map one day where this is the United States of Islam, not the United States of America. I think it pays to harbor those suspicions."

Toward the end of the conversation, Severin asked, "Do you think we should befriend them?"

The caller said, "Well, I see Muslims in this country, they seem to like freedom."

"Would you answer my question?" Severin said. "Do you think we should befriend them?"

"I think we should . . ." the caller said before being interrupted.

"I'm going to try one more time," Severin said. "The host takes pains to phrase questions sometimes and in a fashion such, the appropriate reply is a yes or a no. This is a three-strike state; you're about to get your third strike. Do you believe we should befriend them?"

"Yes," the caller said.

"I've got good news for you: We have," Severin replied. "Thanks for the call and that's what I'm worried about."

Then, introducing another caller, Severin said: "I have an alternative viewpoint. It's slightly different than yours. You think we should befriend them; I think we should kill them."

Speaking on yesterday afternoon's show about that specific comment, Severin said: "To anyone who may have been offended by misunderstanding or misconstruing my remarks, I want you to know that I regret that. This is never my intention."

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington advocacy group, said Severin's explanation of the "kill them" comment "is a common dodge."

"Whenever someone attacks Muslims or Islam or gets called on it, they say they didn't mean the moderate or peaceful ones, that they only meant to harm those militant radical Muslims, when what they are really saying is that they meant all Muslims," Hooper said.

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=1023CE91CC8DD100&p_docnum=2”

“Ohhhhhhhhh snap!”

“I did not lie, the reporter did, and your post above proves it. And, apparently if I had not posted you would have passed on the untruth. so I accept your apology and thanks for pointing you in the right direction. You are welcome.”

“Why do you think they call it Hate Radio? LOL

You might get away with that amateur crap at the magazine site but not here.”

“Here's a bit of what the Boston Globe printed today:

Here's the blatant hypocrisy. Severin sells himself as a straight shooter, a determined truth-teller. If he truly were that, he would have admitted that he said something morally appalling, and he'd have offered a manful apology, with no weasel words, qualifiers, or escape clauses. Instead, Severin has played the charlatan, hiding behind a Clintonesque denial and trying to fool his audience into thinking he has won a great victory in the small correction of his quote. He hasn't been vindicated, and his faux populist palaver is complete intellectual dishonesty.


I guess if you want to parrot his BS Hawkeye, you have no more balls than your hero.”