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Jump to Page << prev   | 1   | 2   | 3   | 4   |  5 | “They've passed plenty. And yeah, tree, you got it right.” 8:08:45 PM 9/23/04 “Not abortion. Not gay marriage. They barely (or did they?) passed a budget. Remember, this is an election year. Not much goes against the grain this year.” 8:12:19 PM 9/23/04 “The whack jobs think they are in the driver's seat and they are spinnin' their wheels. Faith-based government does not work...........even in Saudi Arabia.” 8:14:41 PM 9/23/04 “Look, there are both simple majorities and super majorities and there are committees that these bills must pass through to even get to the floor, and then to even get a simple majority at 51/100 seats you would need every single Senator in the party having 51 House Seats to vote identically. Having 51 seats vs. 50 seats does not cram the Republican machine through Congress. It just gives some control advantages on the floor.” 8:15:11 PM 9/23/04 “"Partial-birth" "marriage protection act" etc.” 8:16:23 PM 9/23/04 “Ahhh... I see, the Republicans control the Supreme Court? Hmmm. I guess that's why killing yet-to-be-born babies is still perfectly legal and they haven't banned gay marriage across this land and stuff like that. Damn those Republican Supreme Court judges. ha ha!” 8:17:31 PM 9/23/04 “Now that the Republicans hold all the marbles they seem to be losing their marbles. Time for change.” 8:17:33 PM 9/23/04 “MarkO, let's keep your underwear out of this, k?” 8:20:39 PM 9/23/04 “You're right about the committees, except that the committees are chaired by the majority party...” 8:22:30 PM 9/23/04 “Buck, for cryin' out loud, it's only six o'clock out your way. Shouldn't you be eatin' din-din or somethin'?” 8:26:12 PM 9/23/04 “Buck, The government runs tests to determine whether the TSA can stop explosives and guns. These tests have consistently shown that the Bush-created TSA is less effective than the private companies that came before. Big government was not the answer there. I'm not sure how often you check to see what the terrorist risk level is, but how often do you see Tom Ridge anymore? The Department of Homeland Security is a total joke. And an expensive expansion of government at that. The people of Afghanistan and Iraq have not voted for their leadership. The U.S. runs both countries. This Iraqi President who just came by is a total stooge for Bush. And it is highly doubtful that the winner of the January election will be anything more credible. You make it sound as if Bush was just standing there as the Democrats ran a couple of big spending bills past him. The Democrats have very little power in Congress right now. They can't investigate. They can't control debate. These are Bush's ideas that have gotten passed. I have been a bit simplistic on this, of course. Conservatism is more than just limited government. But that is a core, central idea. It has been abandoned by Bush.” 9:19:36 PM 9/23/04 “Oh, and the abortion stuff hasn't passed because the Republican leadership doesn't want it to pass. It is only in the party platform to pull pro-life votes. If abortion were ever banned, the backlash would be politically counterproductive to them. So, they pass things like partial birth abortion bans even though it effects a very, very small percentage of abortions. They support things like consent laws and banning overseas family planning funding. These make little to no difference but keep the pro-lifers just happy enough so they don't bolt. It's the "Trick-a-Catholic" campaign plank. If you really oppose abortion, vote for someone who supports policies that help young women get health care and college tuition. Help them to pull themselves up with their bootstraps so that they can have the child without dooming themselves to lifetime poverty.” 9:33:09 PM 9/23/04 “Let loose the power of individual initiative and watch those babies get saved.” 9:35:43 PM 9/23/04 “I'm a free-market pro-lifer.” 9:36:53 PM 9/23/04 “"marriage protection act......" I didn't think that passed. t was supposed to support DOMA, in that the Judges could rule on the issue. That bill was structured to brake apart the Republic. If it passed as it was, it allows the Legislature to over power the Judical.” 9:37:36 PM 9/23/04 “Some of you people have forgotten that it takes 60 votes to effectively cram stuff through. Without 60 votes if the minority party wants stop a bill it can. It doesn't always do this because of the political capitol it would have to spend. Abortion laws not passing has nothing to do with the leadership, there are *gasp* pro-abortion Republican Senators who won't vote for them.” 10:22:59 PM 9/23/04 “"there are *gasp* pro-abortion Republican Senators who won't vote for them....." The HELL you say! Yea, I know. Back in the day, we'd cal'em damn Commies....but hey! What ever fits under the circus tent! I mean "Big Top!" I meant "The Sil-Nylon Tarp!" Just what the hell is it? Big, somthin`.... Big trap? Big, bad voodoo daddy? Oh, crap! I remember! The big group of dorks that still can't get a date! No, no.....that ain't it. Sorry, bison. I'm sure you can get a date if you paid her enough.....! KIDDING! God damn it! Where is that cork!?!?” 10:45:46 PM 9/23/04 “A couple of points regarding religious government. 1. If the majority of Iraquis, who happen to be Shiite Muslim, vote in a strict fundamentalist regime, you had better bet the farm that the present administration will be filling their pants in light speed. As a matter of fact, I agree that fundamentalism has no place in governing a free society. However, there is a powerful movement among the present administration to make our government more fundamentalist. If you mention removing "under God" from the Pledge, (which was not in the original Pledge), hearts go into fibrilation in the White House. If you decide that local governments should decide who they can acknowledge as "married", GW starts doing the Curly dance on the White House floor. We are working to stop fundamentalism in Iraq. Why don't we practice what we preach in the good ole USA? 2. Abortion is bad, bad. I agree that it's a bad solution to a problem that shouldn't have occurred in the first place. However, the fundy administration gets pretty squeamish when you mention that young people could put a rubber device on and avoid much suffering and confusion. No, even though they use such devices themselves, and probably encourage their children to do so, they can't say it in public. Abstinence, because it's God's way, is the only possibility for our citizenry. Oh,and a subtext to this, killing the unborn is the worst thing a human being can do. Killing the living? Hey, that's not so bad. 3. Show me a neo-con who really wants smaller government, and I'll fly my pink elephant around your living room. They just want to gut regulatory government that keeps corrupt corporations from ripping off the US economy to the tune of billions and billions. Regulatory government that keeps the boogie-men gays from doing it with each other is just fine. Big government that spends unlimited amounts of cash on "homeland security" while our borders are as open, (or more so), as they have ever been is just fine by them. 3. Government is the incarnation of the devil himself. However, to give tax-payer roads through our national forests to logging companies is the height of free-market economic thinking. Uhhh... which government is paying for those roads, which most people don't want in the first place? I could go on, but I want everyone to enjoy these points.” 11:08:55 PM 9/23/04 George Carlin “Paraphrasing one of his bits.... You have to love conservatives. They care about you and your well being before you are even born. They try to get laws passed to make sure you are born, and will do anything in thier power to make sure your mom gives you birth. Once you are born, you're on your own buddy. Conservatives would rather walk over hot coals before endorsing or passing legiclation that will help you get a decent education, healthcare or live a productive life......... that is until........ You turn 18. Then conservatives come courting you again, because they love wars, and they need people to fight them!” 8:39:12 AM 9/24/04 “LOL! If abortion were illegal we wouldn't have such a shortage of cannon fodder. Just think, we could of invaded the whole Evil Axis at once!” 8:43:44 AM 9/24/04 “Actually, the pro-life movement has helped the United States avoid the drop in population forecast for Europe. This will allow us, if we spend our resources correctly, the ability to save social security and have a growing economy in the future. I also think that young people today are more responsible than they've been in the past in terms of their reproductive choices. But lack of health care and expensive education make it more difficult for a young person to raise a child.” 10:19:30 AM 9/24/04 “First of all, the reason there is no fuego sign on this thread is because it was started before fuego started. Secondly, I agree that Phaedrus's c&p was partisan. It reminds me of what my four year old son said when I was making natchos for us. Mine had jalepenos and his didn't. He said, "Dad, you like the spicy and I like the good" - he said it mildy, and sweetly and it was true from his perspective, but I would have put it differently. If it had been a conservative writing, the fuzzy guy with the liberal attitudes would be stoned on "marijuana provided by a network of drug dealers far more repressive and brutal than any of the armies and regimes he complains about." This ain't to say I don't have sympathies for the writer, or that I am not one of the many people shaking their heads in dismay over the high level of support Bush seems to have.” 7:42:11 AM 9/26/04 “I just found a very cool website. It's titled: "Bush:Catholic Team." It's really great because it shows how strongly Catholic George Bush is. http://www.georgewbush.com/catholics/ I especially liked the picture on the opening page that shows the Pope endorsing President Bush. My only concern is that I am a little uncomfortable knowing that the Pope can tell our president what to do. Oh, well, that's what Jesus would want.” 8:19:03 AM 9/26/04 “"My only concern is that I am a little uncomfortable knowing that the Pope can tell our president what to do." reformed lurker 08:19:03 AM 09/26/04 Uh yeah, when the Pope told the Pres. not to invade Iraq, the Pres. did exactly what the Pope told him to do. PS, anyone who bothered to take the time to look into GW's religious convictions would know that he is far from a fundamentalist, he's not even an evangelical and does not even consider himself a born-again Christian. Sorry to burst y'alls bubbles but GW is a mainline protestant. Or you could just go on believing the liberal propaganda. Or whatever else you'd like to believe.” 8:34:29 AM 9/27/04 “"PS, anyone who bothered to take the time to look into GW's religious convictions would know that he is far from a fundamentalist, he's not even an evangelical and does not even consider himself a born-again Christian. Sorry to burst y'alls bubbles but GW is a mainline protestant. Or you could just go on believing the liberal propaganda. Or whatever else you'd like to believe." I heard an author speaking about GW’s faith and how it is a bit misleading when people call him a religious zealot because Clinton spoke in more churches and invoked the name of Jesus twice as much as Bush has in public speaking. Something like 47 times and 21 in one year…his re-election year.” 8:40:58 AM 9/27/04 “What? He's not Catholic?” 8:44:07 AM 9/27/04 “No GW is not Catholic RL, he's Methodist.” 8:45:32 AM 9/27/04 “John Kerry, however is Catholic, if that comforts you RL.” 8:46:35 AM 9/27/04 “PS, anyone who bothered to take the time to look into GW's religious convictions would know that he is far from a fundamentalist Yet he champions fundi causes. That's the bottom line.” 8:46:39 AM 9/27/04 “"Uh yeah, when the Pope told the Pres. not to invade Iraq, the Pres. did exactly what the Pope told him to do." This proves my point exactly, Bison. Bush tries to cozy up to Catholics with the abortion issue when he totally ignores the core of Catholic social teaching: care for the poor and respect the lives of others above all.” 8:47:05 AM 9/27/04 “I believe JFK was the only and first Catholic president. If Bush is a Medodist he should look into changing a few of his Methods. LOL!” 8:47:46 AM 9/27/04 “Exactly which fundi causes are you referring to? Just because fundamentalists support certain things makes them fundi causes? I don't think so.” 8:48:42 AM 9/27/04 ““Bush tries to cozy up to Catholics with the abortion issue when he totally ignores the core of Catholic social teaching: care for the poor and respect the lives of others above all." Not looking for a debate or anything but as far as I know partial birth abortion is the only thing he’s ever went after. How does Bush not care for the poor and not respect the lives of others?” 8:50:33 AM 9/27/04 “Just because fundamentalists support certain things makes them fundi causes? Um, of course, isn't that obvious? I mean, how would you define them? Issues the fundis don't care about? LOL. Now if you're talking about sole ownership of an issue, then you may have a point, but you certainly failed to articulate that.” 8:54:55 AM 9/27/04 9:41:13 AM 9/27/04 “Nigal, I was speaking from the perspective of Catholic social teaching. Cardinal Bernardin expressed the official Catholic position as a "consistent ethic of life." This means that Catholics should work to end abortion, the death penalty and wars. They should also work to give that life dignity by helping the poor and weak. So, my argument is that Bush is attempting to make a connection to Catholic social teaching on abortion while also waging a war that was against church positions and supporting policies on health care, taxation and the death penalty that also conflict with the church's support for the poor and weak. I guess I really don't like the president, or any politician for that matter, telling me how to be a good Catholic. It would be like me telling you, Nigal, how to be a good Jew.” 10:34:00 AM 9/27/04 “LOL! I’m not a good Jew. Hell, I’m not even a Jew. I hadn’t seen anything where Bush was trying to tell Catholics to do anything but rather that they have a shared issue. If we look at some of the things JFK did we could say the same thing about him. But then again he actually WAS Catholic. I think faith can be a good thing for politicians as a moral compass but not as a means of setting policy.” 11:00:00 AM 9/27/04 “Gog is co-pilot” 11:10:01 AM 9/27/04 “Nigal, During Bush's papal visit, Bush asked Vatican officials to push the issues of abortion and stem cell research during the campaign to help him out with the Catholic vote. John Allen of NCR and, I believe, Newsweek reported this.” 11:23:51 AM 9/27/04 “Hmm. That was a bad call.” 1:50:46 PM 9/27/04 “Poor, White and Pissed A Guide to the White Trash Planet for Urban Liberals by Joe Bageant www.dissidentvoice.org February 18, 2005
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