U.S. Finds Nuclear Materials Buried in I raq

“We were attacked by Saudi Arabians and by Wahabi Muslims taught in schools that were built by Saudi Arabia. We've shown direct ties to the House of Saud to the hijackers and yet the Republicans still want to attack a country with NO TIES to the terrorists and say it's because of attacks on America... what a bunch of CRAP! We are getting hit almost daily now by terrorists and still some people (based purely on politics) say we are doing the right thing.

It's been proven over and over that the truth was distorted to get public opinion in line with the Bush Administration and he still has not dealt with our "allies" the Saudis that sell us oil with one face and support terrorism with the other... yeah that's it I'm a liberal... you guys are puppets”

“yeah yeah ......so why is the UN interested in helping rwanda and liberia citizens but not iraqi citizens?”

“Tilt how do you know there in no connection. The republicans are looking to hold power for lengthy part of time. Maybe you should make a promise to leave the country if Bush gets re-elected like the one idiot Baldwin. We know most of you liberals don't keep your promise anyway. I am sure their are a couple of communist countries that you would greatly enjoy!”

“why does the UN, led by france and germany believe rwanda and liberia citizens are in need of humanitarian assistance and were absolutely not interested in iraqi citizens' well beaing?


phaed? call me stupid & run away

tilt? ignore me

pedxing? call me an extremist”

“Ignore the obvious!”

“What IS the administration's position on having UN peacekeepers in Iraq?

Noooo, we don't want the arms inspectors, but it might be okay to have the peacekeepers come in to help us clean up our mess?


What do we have now?

Somalia in slow-motion.”

“why does the UN, led by france and germany believe rwanda and liberia citizens are in need of humanitarian assistance and were absolutely not interested in iraqi citizens' well beaing?”

“Ask it a few more times, strat. I want to make a point about your ignorance of global current events.”

“Phagrus showing his bright side!”

“Why aren't WE doing something, after all, the leader of Liberia is a real bad guy too....oh yea thats right no oil there.....

I grew up there and what we are doing, or not doing actually, is a disgrace. We have deserted a country that was founded by American slaves. Just shows the world where our priorities lie.

Read on....

"MONROVIA, Liberia

Angry crowds laid the bloody, maimed bodies of children in front of Liberia's heavily guarded U.S. Embassy on Thursday, shouting blame at the U.S. Marines and America for failing to protect Monrovia's people from the fighting overrunning the Capital."

"Bush gave no hint he intended to offer military assistance as some outsiders have urged for Liberia, a nation founded by freed slaves that see's itself as having special ties to the United States."

"They said, 'If the U.S. can go into Iraq, why can't they come to Liberia? Liberia has oil as well,'" Toweh quoted many Liberians as saying.
Officials said Monrovia's hospitals are overwhelmed with wounded.”

“just not enough oil I guess.....”

“Can't solve the worlds problems all at once. I am sure if the other guy was in office that situation would have be dealt with swiftly. Please.”

“Hey, we are just finnishing clintons war!!!!

Think about it. He hurled the "monica Missles" at iraq. He warmed up the world for this!!!”

“It's a real shame some of the bloodthirsty 'Hero's' here couldn't go in place of some of the decent people we've already lost in Iraq.

http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/ap06-26-223604.asp?reg=EUROPE

Family says soldier killed in Iraq thought he was wasting his time

Lance Cpl. Thomas Keys thought he was wasting his time trying to train Iraqis to police themselves, and couldn't wait to come home.

But Keys, 20, due home from Iraq in two weeks after four months, never made it back to Britain. He was the youngest of six Royal Military Police killed Tuesday in the southern town of Majar al-Kabir, reportedly by an angry mob who attacked a police station.
''He was trying to train the Iraqis to police themselves, but he felt he was wasting his time. They were always fighting among themselves,'' Sally Keys said Thursday of her son, who won a bravery medal as a paratrooper in Sierra Leone when he was 18. ---

Cpl. Russell Aston, who celebrated his 30th birthday while in Iraq, told his wife, Anna, in an emotional phone call on Saturday how much he was looking forward to seeing her and their 17-month-old daughter Paygan. It was the last time they spoke.
''He was such a kind and special person with a smashing sense of humor, he could get on with anyone he met,'' Anna Aston said in a statement released jointly with Aston's parents Glenice and Mike. ''When he walked into a room he filled it with his height and presence.''”

“Oh yeah- no #&%!$, man. Obvcourse its about oil. You would be blind if you didn't know that. But even with oil intrest the fact is, libia doesn't have WMDs or are they in persut of them.

And- Africa is one Fed up country.... Nothing raced about that. I'm just saying that there is such hell on that contenit we don't know where to start.

I heard something on the radio that there are still tribes fighting with sticks and arrows. Solidure in these tribes are 10 years old.....The anouncer, paul harvey, said that the UN can not solve those problems. It is simply to thick of a mess.”

“Now thats a typical "white dude" statement....and you wonder why the Republican Party has problem winning the minorities over....duh.”

“The anouncer, paul harvey, said that the UN can not solve those problems. It is simply to thick of a mess."


Kinda like we are now seeing in Iraqi....too thick of a mess.”

“and for Gods sake, use spell check”

“Oh yeah, we had world wars. What a bunch of idiots.”

“Ice - I'm guessing you mean Liberia, and not Libia, or even Lybia. And Africa, continent, not country. It is messed up. But If Britain can go into Siera Leone and France to the Ivory Coast, why won't America help the country it helped to found.”

“What could have been an example of American Democracy has crumbled into ruin......both party's have had a hand in this by not supporting the government when it needed it years ago, under President Tubbman.

If this is the legacy we left the Liberians, I can only hope we do a better job in Iraq......but some how I doubt it.”

“Clinton started this mess Tea? Monica missles? I guess you were probably 9 when it started, but the poor handling at the end of the first Gulf War (not the war itself but the way we handled the surrender) is what has left us here.

And as for Monica missles... does that make these Enron missles or how about we can't find Osama so we'll leave Al Queda alone and finish Saddam missles or how about we'll just give a blank check to Halliburton to rebuild Iraq after I lie to the American Taxpayers and blow it up or how about I never would have deserted in 'Nam if I got to play with smartbombs then missles”

“Perhaps spellcheck can't decypher that stuff.”

“ya'll are typically and probably deliberately missing my point....

look....there's suffering in lyberia....it's horrible and i agree we should help...now how come nobody(most liberals, bush haters, AND the UN)wanted to help the iraqi citizens? my contention is that the suffering under hussein was more than enough justification for this action. yes, bush always mentioned WMD's first, but every single time he mentioned the brutal dictators treatment of the citizens.



you're inconsistant logic is cornfuzzled to say the least....”

“Dug - Up Iraqi Parts' Potential Faces Doubt

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS NY Times

Filed at 7:47 p.m. ET

VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- A top U.N. weapons hunter says it would have been ``virtually impossible'' for Iraq to revive a nuclear bomb program with equipment recently dug up from a Baghdad backyard, as the Bush administration contends.

Jacques Baute said the long-term monitoring of Iraq's nuclear establishment planned by the U.N. Security Council would have stifled any attempt to build a huge uranium-enrichment plant for making bomb material.

``This is a mistake people are making,'' Baute said. Such contentions ignore the fact that Iraq would have operated for years under international controls had the U.N. plan not been aborted by war, he said.

Baute also said in an interview with The Associated Press that it appears the unearthed cache of uranium enrichment parts, surrendered by an Iraqi scientist last month, lacked critical components, and its accompanying blueprints were marred by errors.

Baute, a French nuclear physicist, led the International Atomic Energy Agency inspection teams that -- until the U.S.-British invasion in March -- crisscrossed Iraq in search of banned weapons.

His assessment of the hidden equipment came as a furor grew in Washington over President Bush's use of an earlier allegation -- that Baghdad sought uranium from Niger -- to bolster the White House case for war.

It was Baute's investigation last February that unmasked as forgeries the documents that underpinned the claims about Niger.

National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice is holding to the Niger story, noting that the British government now says other, unspecified intelligence supports the uranium allegation. But London hasn't supplied Washington with any such information, Rice acknowledged.

Likewise, Baute's office has received nothing from the British three weeks after asking for the purported independent evidence, said sources at IAEA headquarters in Vienna, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The U.N. agency's experts believe all reports of a Niger connection stem from the same bogus documents.

Eliminating Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction was the main reason given by Bush for invading the Arab country. But three months of searching by the U.S. military has found no banned arms, just as some 700 inspections by U.N. teams from November to March also uncovered no signs of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons programs.

Before the war, Baghdad said all its chemical and biological weapons had been destroyed during U.N. inspections in the 1990s.

However, President Bush said Monday he remained convinced that Saddam Hussein was trying to develop a weapons program that threatened the world and justified the United States going to war. ``Our country made the right decision,'' Bush said.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher had no comment when asked about Baute's statements. But he told reporters: ``I think the findings in Iraq demonstrate that Iraq had not abandoned its intentions on nuclear programs. Just buried them. Maybe more. We'll see. We'll find the full extent of that as time goes on.''

Iraq never had nuclear arms but was making progress building sophisticated centrifuges to produce enriched uranium for bombs when the 1991 Gulf War intervened. Inspectors dismantled the program.

In early June, the centrifuge program chief, Mahdi Shukur Obeidi, turned over to U.S. authorities equipment and documents he said he buried in his garden in 1991, when he said Iraqi leaders told him to hold the parts to revive the program.

The IAEA notes that Obeidi's account tends to undercut one White House contention: that Saddam's government had secretly resumed its nuclear program in recent years.

White House press secretary Ari Fleischer has instead now focused on the Obeidi cache's potential, saying it would have allowed Iraq to rebuild weapons facilities ``once sanctions were ended.''

But Baute, in the interview Friday, pointed out that once U.N. economic sanctions were ended, after inspectors certified Baghdad's weapons work had ceased, the Security Council was to have imposed an Ongoing Monitoring and Verification regime on Iraq -- controls short-circuited by the U.S.-British invasion.

Inspectors, with unhindered access under U.N. resolutions, would have kept close watch on Iraq's military-industrial complex, aided by air and water sampling technology, satellite and aerial surveillance, and monitoring of Iraq's imports.

An enrichment plant, a vast array of thousands of centrifuges, would have been easily detected, said Baute, who once helped build French nuclear bombs.

``To have turned it into a full-blown enrichment program while OMV was in place would have been virtually impossible,'' he said of the Obeidi equipment.

Although U.S. officials have not shared their Obeidi data with the IAEA, Baute's experts closely examined available photos of the components and found they included one critical part, the bottom bearing assembly.

But other vital elements apparently are lacking, Baute said, including the advanced carbon-fiber rotor, the spinning tube in which uranium gas is separated.

``It is far, far from being a complete set,'' he said.

He also noted the Iraqis would have had to expose themselves by searching for foreign manufacturers to duplicate complex components.

As for Obeidi's documents, they appear to be copies of centrifuge drawings and papers seized by IAEA inspectors in 1995, Baute said.

``These Iraqi drawings seem to contain mistakes,'' he said. German engineers who secretly assisted the centrifuge program apparently didn't leave their hosts finished designs, and the Iraqis erred at times in filling in gaps.”

“first....they had uranium.... we found it....just needed enrichment...

second....they to look under all the rose bushes to find the rest of the set....


third...what they found was probably for making cotton candy...


fourth.....violin's a weenie whopper...”

“Ummm strat - uranium is a naturally occurring material. Are you talking about the uranium they had before Gulf War I and was under IAEA supervision before we invaded and let the site get looted? I guess it really was all about WMDs.”

“"Baute, a French nuclear physicist"

And this is supposed to be a credible source?”

“Strat, you're the weenie.”

“"But other vital elements apparently are lacking, Baute said, including the advanced carbon-fiber rotor, the spinning tube in which uranium gas is separated.

``It is far, far from being a complete set,' he said"

So everything is okay...they only had that stuff because it looked cool on the mantle over the fireplace. And they only buried it because they didn't have room to store it in the garage.”

“No, they had it because Iraq had a nuclear program in '91 that the evil and brutal dictator saddam hussein had hoped to restart, eventually. This is obvious. We put enough heat on him through inspections and intelligence gathering that he kept it buried for 12 years. This is also obvious.

This is not even close to evidence of an imminent threat to the US or Iraq's neighbors. To say that it is, is to exaggerate in the same way the Bush administration did before going to war.”

“Something tells me they'd need more than 45 minutes to get it up and running.”

“The threat was Immenent!

We had to attack; getting American Soldiers and 6000 Iraqi's killed.

The only thing missing from Bush's* war is a claim that Iraqi's snuck across the border and took over one of our radio stations.”

“I think the enemy casualty figure was much much higher than 6000.”

“Funny thinking about all those people so adamant that WMD were really found and poo pooing the skeptics who said lets wait and see.

Anyone ever admit they were wrong?”

“I was right”

“Brave of you to admit it MarkO.

Actually, I though there would be some found. So I was wrong there.

I was right that the "evidence" was overblown, and that the claims were way exaggerated.”

“That's mighty big of you to crow about how right you were Ped. I know it takes a lot of guts to say so.”

“Notice Nigal, that I also mentioned where I was wrong.”

“And yet you (Nigal) and something like 50% of the country hold on to the guy who led this country into an abyss with what seems like cult-like tenacity. It does take guts to realize a mistake and change course, but what will it take to make you folks wake up?”

“What Nigal meant to say is that the reason no WMD have been found is due to a leftist conspiracy.

Or maybe Sad Sack Insane hid them up his butt.

Or something.

But when they are found, us doubters will burn in eternal hellfire.”

“"And yet you (Nigal) and something like 50% of the country hold on to the guy who led this country into an abyss with what seems like cult-like tenacity."

I have always made my position clear V and yes, my feelings on the matter have changed sense the begining. But the one thing I have heald to from day 1 is that freeing Iraq was the right thing to do.


BTW- Nice touch with the fear mongering here…“led this country into an abyss” .”

“Haven't found doesn't mean they don't have it hidden in another country.”

“"What Nigal meant to say is that the reason no WMD have been found is due to a leftist conspiracy.

Or maybe Sad Sack Insane hid them up his butt.

Or something.

But when they are found, us doubters will burn in eternal hellfire."


When did I EVER state such a thing. Find it, cut it and paste it. You can ridicule me, you can even call me stupid for my belief but never put words in my mouth dickhead.”

“So, the war in Iraq is a walk in the park? I think "abyss" is an appropriate term. What kind of rose-colored glasses you wearin', Nigal?”

“About two years ago when Dubya started beating the war drum I said it was phony and I still say it was phony.

They started the gravy train rolling and the money tap is wide open.

And, oh yeah, over 8,000 casualties so far.

1,000+ dead
3,000 amputees”

“"So, the war in Iraq is a walk in the park?"

No, I never said this either. What is it with you guys? Neither is it a doom and gloom unwinnable situation either.

For all the rhetoric people like Tom like to start by saying Bush wants to start Armageddon, you lefties sure do seem to wish for it pretty hard.”

“Yeah right, Nigal.

If the Iraq war becomes a regional conflagration/Armageddon they might draft my sons.

Yeah Nigal, that's what I'm wishing for.”

“The simple fact Tom is that the worse things are in Iraq the better chance you guys have for getting Kerry in. So the left paints it as a terrible situation that is inescapable weather that is the case or not. I call that fear mongering…plain and simple.

I just feel bad for our brave fighting men and women who are over there working and fighting so hard and then see this kind of shlt spread around by the left.”

“Nigal, it is bad over there whether I say it is or not.

I heard this kinda crap from right-wingers like you 35 years ago.

Anyone who said the situation was bad and with no end in sight was "aiding the enemy".

Same sh*t, different decade.

War Is A Racket”