Another Bush Lie

“"We will stay there until the job is done and then we will leave. … And the job is for Iraq to be free and peaceful."
President Bush

Saddam who? Forgetting about WMD?”

“the recent bombing in saudi arabia is very interesting. obviously, al Queda wants to overthrow the monarchy and take comtroll of the oil. wouldn't that be interesting.....


you people still don't get it....this is WWIII


wake up and smell the 4 horsemen....”

“alqueda hit turkey, the red cross, italy, SA, the UN.....

hmmm....wonder if they are a threat to world security....


JIHAD BUSH!”

“Al-qaeda is a threat, obviously. Let's attack Mexico.”

“Jesus, why do liberals always take what someone says and totally twist it and then stick it back in the person’s mouth? It’s very tiresome and does nothing but insults. This is a growing trend around here. Nearly every single lib deems to do it. Am I going to be left talking to Pedxing and no one other liberals?”

“Sorry if it offends you, Nigal, but Strat's arguments are ridiculous. It's not worth dissecting them, since he seems to be immune to reason, so I generally just make fun of them.”

“Why not ignore him instead?”

“!!!

God's tooth, man!

You've got a point. My apologies.”

“allll rightythen.....

still living in a 9-10 world there phaeddy.

9-11 was the first shot of WWIII”

“See what I mean? Jesus, why haven't I done this before?

*click*”

“simple minds....simple denial”

“"end terror." "disarm."
"free people." "control oil."
make up your mind, shrub.”

“"Why not ignore him instead?......."


What? Did strat say somethin'?!?!

LOL!!”

“Ignore stratdewd?

Never!

Strat baiting is one of my favorite pastimes.”

“"Strat baiting is one of my favorite pastimes....."



......and it's always in season!”

“See, but I would prefer to be able to discuss things wth Nigal, who has shown that he actually thinks about his opinions. If I'm just going to drive Nigal off by flaming strat (which is too easy by far), I'll have to lay off.”

“So what does everyone make of this new link between Saddam and Bin Laden?”

“What link?”

“We can't seem to locate either one.”

“Maybe they're the same MISSING EVIL DOER.”

“Faux is reporting the link between bad old Saddamie and Osama:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103163,00.html”

“Ah. It must be true.

Let's see what turns up in a day or two, how bout?”

“New evidence has surfaced concerning the President's cocaine use.”

“"If I'm just going to drive Nigal off by flaming strat (which is too easy by far), I'll have to lay off."

Oh no, how you deal with him is up to you. As long as you don't do it to me we can discuss. If ya happen to do it to me we will only talk about boots and chit.”

“Well, I'm not sure I want to discuss gear with a guy who thinks kroger bags are good water carriers.

;)”

“WTF?

That FAUX story is about a link between Saddam and some Usama guy.”

“"Well, I'm not sure I want to discuss gear with a guy who thinks kroger bags are good water carriers.

;)"


Yet another unbeliever...you're just like your Uncle Bacpac...

It works! 8P”

“"So what does everyone make of this new link between Saddam and Bin Laden?"
-- bacpac
03:30:44 PM
11/15/03


bacpac was referring to the FAUX News report Intelligence Report Links Saddam, Usama which was condensed from the Weakly Standard story, Case Closed.

Seems the DoD is pretty well pissed about this "story": DoD Statement on News Reports of al-Qaida and Iraq Connections. They say the leak of Feith's memo "is deplorable and may be illegal". According to the DoD, the memo was what Feith provided to the Senate Select Intelligence Committee who is investigating what went wrong with our pre-war intellegence.

The memo is pretty much a restatement of dubious information supplied by Iraqi defectors and cherry-picked by Feith's Office of Special Plans and discounted by the professional analysts before the war.

Remember, these are the guys who have a pretty poor record predicting what we would find inside of Iraq and how easily our reconstruction would go. Recall that they were the people who treated claims by a defector that we would find chem/bioweapons labs in hospitals and presidential palaces as fact. Those reports turned out to be completely untrue when those sites were searched.

Many have charged that the OSP twisted CIA data in order to justify a war against Iraq. That's one of the reasons Feith was asked to provide information to the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Now… can anyone doubt that FAUX and the Weakly Standard are anything more than the propaganda arm of the GOP?”

“Well?”

“God god. No wonder only Fox was reporting this #&%!$t.”

“As fair and balanced as the California budget.”

“Mor on that "new link between Saddam and Bin Laden" from the Washington Post.

CIA Seeks Probe of Iraq-Al Qaeda Memo Leak

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 18, 2003; Page A18

The CIA will ask the Justice Department to investigate the leak of a 16-page classified Pentagon memo that listed and briefly described raw agency intelligence on any relationship between Saddam Hussein's Iraqi government and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network, according to congressional and administration sources.

In addition, the leaders of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) and Vice Chairman John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), are considering making their own request for a Justice investigation. The top-secret memo was attached to an Oct. 27 letter to them from Undersecretary of Defense Douglas J. Feith. Feith was answering a request that he support his assertion during a closed-door hearing in July that there was intelligence to support a longtime relationship between the Iraqi leader and the terrorist group.
*snip*
W. Patrick Lang, former head of the Middle East section of the DIA, said yesterday that the Standard article "is a listing of a mass of unconfirmed reports, many of which themselves indicate that the two groups continued to try to establish some sort of relationship. If they had such a productive relationship, why did they have to keep trying?"”

“I'm interested in seeing what the full scope of the intelligence was. If the Bush admin had good reason to think that saddam and al-qaeda were trying to make nice-nice, it certainly changes things, from my point of view.”

“I still have'nt seen a string 'Bush tell's the truth'.Maybe there's a reason.”

“Terrance Martin, Aged 7, Corrects Bush

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Young Terrance Martin could not let President Bush (news - web sites) get away with mistakenly saying he was just 6 years old when he was really 7.

It happened in the Roosevelt Room at the White House on Tuesday when Bush signed the Adoption Promotion Act of 2003, which renews tax credits for adoptions and encourages families to find homes for more than 500,000 children in foster care.

Before signing the legislation Bush talked about the need for more adoptions as he stood with Christopher and Diana Martin and their seven children, four of them adopted.

Terrance interrupted the president in mid-speech under the glaring television lights to point out he was not 6.

"How old are you?" Bush asked.

"Seven," said Terrance.

"OK, seven," said Bush, as the crowd chuckled. "I'll take it up with the fact-checker."”

“Senators were told Iraqi weapons could hit U.S.

Nelson said claim made during classified briefing

By John McCarthy
FLORIDA TODAY

U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson said Monday the Bush administration last year told him and other senators that Iraq not only had weapons of mass destruction, but they had the means to deliver them to East Coast cities.

Nelson, D-Tallahassee, said about 75 senators got that news during a classified briefing before last October's congressional vote authorizing the use of force to remove Saddam Hussein from power. Nelson voted in favor of using military force.

Nelson said he couldn't reveal who in the administration gave the briefing.

The White House directed questions about the matter to the Department of Defense. Defense officials had no comment on Nelson's claim.

Nelson said the senators were told Iraq had both biological and chemical weapons, notably anthrax, and it could deliver them to cities along the Eastern seaboard via unmanned aerial vehicles, commonly known as drones.

"They have not found anything that resembles an UAV that has that capability," Nelson said.

continued...”

“WASHINGTON -- A single Holstein on a Washington state farm has tested positive for mad cow disease, marking the first suspected appearance of the brain-wasting disease in the United States, the Bush administration announced Tuesday as it assured Americans their food is safe.

But when a Canadian cow tested positive for Mad Cow, the Bush administration declared the Canadian beef supply unsafe for Americans.”

“how is that a lie? He freakin' announced it! gosh, i must just be to young and ignorant to understand.”

“buffalo KY. 1000 sq.ft.150 year old log cabin large walnut logs w/ large loft bedroom17x17 with 15 x17x10 plus 20x12x10 nice planed cedar addition.sets on side of large hill that leads to s.otter creek. 14 wooded acres nearest neighbor 6 good stone throws away spring water phone, electric/2 gas ventless heaters/2 wood burning stoves 49999.00$”

“WOULD THAT NOT MEAN THAT SOME OF THEM OF NOT BEEN ?”

“By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation

The success of small businesses in America reflects the innovation, determination, and hard work of the American people. During Small Business Week, we celebrate the entrepreneurs and business people who create goods, services, and jobs, and bring opportunity and economic prosperity to communities throughout our country. We also reaffirm our commitment to helping more small business owners and their employees realize the American Dream.

Small businesses create the majority of new jobs in our Nation and account for more than half of the output of our economy. They lead the way in generating new ideas and creating new technologies, goods, and services for our country and for the world.

Small businesses also reflect the diversity of America. Nearly 40 percent of small companies in the United States are owned by women. There are also more than 3 million minority-owned small businesses across the country.

Because small businesses are vital to our Nation's prosperity and reflect the hard work of the American people, my Administration has taken important steps to assist small businesses and the people they employ...

The Small Business Administration (SBA), which helps American innovators and risk-takers launch and build their businesses, celebrates its 50th anniversary this year. By helping small businesses succeed, the SBA continues to strengthen America...


cue laugh track...

Government Suspends Small-Business Loans
Agency Says It Ran Out of Money
By Steven Gray
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, January 8, 2004; Page E02

The Small Business Administration said yesterday that it suspended its main $9.4 billion loan program because it had run out of money.

The 7(a) Loan Guaranty program benefits business owners who typically do not qualify for traditional bank loans, said Sue Hensley, an SBA spokeswoman. Yesterday, major lenders said the program's suspension, even though temporary, is a sharp blow to small-business owners...

Congress did not approve a budget for the SBA before it adjourned last month. It passed a continuing resolution in October, giving the agency $3.3 billion until the budget is approved, but that money has run out and the administration is waiting for Congress to approve an additional $470 million that the Office of Management and Budget has allocated, Hensley said.

The decision to suspend the program came nearly two weeks after the agency said that, effective today, it would lower the cap on such loans from $2 million to $750,000.

On a typical day, about $40 million in loans are processed by the SBA. Between September and December, that daily amount rose to $56 million, and on Jan. 2 alone $115 million in loans were processed, Hensley said. "These banks and some of the lending institutions were saying, 'Get your big loans now, because there's going to be a cap.' "”

“Thursday, January 22, 2004 - Page updated at 12:00 A.M.

Iraq may be on path to civil war, CIA officials warn

By Warren P. Strobel and Jonathan S. Landay
Knight Ridder Newspapers


WASHINGTON — CIA officers in Iraq are warning that the country may be on a path to civil war, current and former U.S. officials said yesterday, starkly contradicting the upbeat assessment President Bush gave in his State of the Union address.
The CIA officers' bleak assessment was delivered orally to Washington this week, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the classified information involved.

The warning echoed growing fears that Iraq's Shiite majority, which until now has accepted the U.S. occupation grudgingly, could turn to violence if its demands for direct elections are spurned.

Meanwhile, Iraq's Kurdish minority is pressing for autonomy and shares of oil revenue.

"Both the Shiites and the Kurds think that now's their time," one intelligence officer said. "They think that if they don't get what they want now, they'll probably never get it. Both of them feel they've been betrayed by the United States before."

These dire scenarios were discussed at meetings this week by Bush, his top national-security aides and the chief U.S. administrator in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, said a senior administration official who requested anonymity.

Another senior official said the concerns over a possible civil war are "broadly held within the government," including by regional experts at the State Department and National Security Council.

Top officials are scrambling to save the U.S. exit strategy after concluding Iraq's most powerful Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Husseini al-Sistani, is unlikely to drop his demand for elections for an interim assembly that would choose an interim government by July 1. Bremer then would hand over power to the interim government.

The CIA hasn't put its officers' warnings about a potential Iraqi civil war in writing, but the senior official said he expected a formal report "momentarily."

"In the discussion with Bremer in the last few days, several very bad possibilities have been outlined," he said.

Bush, in his State of the Union address Tuesday, insisted an insurgency against the U.S. occupation, conducted primarily by minority Sunni Muslims who enjoyed power under Saddam Hussein, "will fail, and the Iraqi people will live in freedom."




"Month by month, Iraqis are assuming more responsibility for their own security and their own future," the president said.

Bush didn't address the Shiites' political demands directly.

Shiites, who dominate the regions from Baghdad south to Kuwait and Iran, make up about 60 percent of Iraq's 25 million people.

Several U.S. officials acknowledged al-Sistani is unlikely to be "rolled," as one put it. As a result, Bremer's plan for restoring Iraqi sovereignty and ending the U.S. occupation by on schedule is in peril.

The Bremer plan, negotiated with the U.S.-installed Iraqi Governing Council, calls for caucuses in Iraq's 18 provinces to choose the interim national assembly, which in turn would select Iraq's first post-Saddam government. The first direct elections wouldn't be held until the end of 2005.

In an interview with Knight Ridder yesterday, a top cleric in the Shiite holy city of Najaf appeared to confirm the fears of potential civil war. "Everything has its own time, but we are saying that we don't accept the occupiers getting involved with the Iraqis' affairs," said Sheikh Ali Najafi, whose father, Grand Ayatollah Bashir al Najafi, is, along with al-Sistani, one of the four most senior clerics. "I don't trust the Americans, not even for one blink."

If the United States went ahead with the caucus plan and ended the military occupation, the interim government wouldn't last, he said.

"The Iraqi people would know how to deal with those people," he said, smiling. "They would kick them out."”

“Bush plans increases, then cuts, in programs he plugs

President Bush's long-term budget plans include deep spending cuts in programs that he's promoting this year on the campaign trail as among his signature achievements.

The President, for instance, trumpeted his "Jobs for the 21st Century" program during a speech in South Carolina yesterday. That program, which Bush said aids states and local communities, falls under funds for training and employment, which his budget proposes to increase by nearly $100 million for fiscal 2005.

But the following year, Bush would cut those funds by $36 million, assuming he wins reelection in November.

Other programs that the President plans to give funding boosts, then cuts the following year include the Women, Infants and Children supplemental nutrition program; Pell Grants for higher education; special education; the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program; and the National Institutes of Health.

Bush's long-range spending plans are detailed in White House budget documents that weren't included in the proposed $2.4 trillion 2005 budget that he sent to Congress on Monday.

The Inquirer's Washington bureau obtained a copy of the 1,000-page long-range spending plan, which lays out proposed allocations for government programs over the next five years. It also forms the basis for the administration's intention to ask Congress for budget caps to set limits on all discretionary spending between 2005 and 2009.

more...”

“which his budget proposes to increase by nearly $100 million for fiscal 2005.

But the following year, Bush would cut those funds by $36 million, assuming he wins reelection in November.

Which would still be a net increase of $64 million.”

“<font=sarcasm>Yep. This is a president who says what he means and means what he says.</font>



"And most new jobs in America are created by small businesses. It makes sense to invigorate the small business sector of this country. If you're worried about job creation, if you're worried about somebody finding work, it makes sense to stimulate the small business sector of this economy. And that's what we did."
-- Bush's comments 2/9/04 at SRC Automotive in Springfield, Missouri


$119 million cut from funding for Small Business Administration

Small Business Administration Microloans facing the budget's ax”

“WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House backed away Wednesday from its own prediction that the economy will add 2.6 million new jobs before the end of this year, saying the forecast was the work of number-crunchers and that President Bush was not a statistician.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan, asked repeatedly about the forecast, declined to embrace the prediction which was contained in the annual economic report of the White House Council of Economic Advisers.

Unemployment and the slow pace of job creation are political liabilities for Bush as he heads into a battle for re-election. Despite strong economic growth, the nation has lost about 2.2 million jobs since he became president.

The jobs forecast was the second economic flap in recent days for the White House. Last week, Bush was forced to distance himself from White House economist N. Gregory Mankiw's assertion that the loss of U.S. jobs overseas has long-term benefits for the U.S. economy.

Asked about the 2.6 million jobs forecast, McClellan said, "The president is interested in actual jobs being created rather than economic modeling."

He quoted Bush as saying, "I'm not a statistician. I'm not a predictor."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/18/elec04.prez.bush.jobs.ap/index.html”

“Has anyone taken a look at the amount of debt being amased for
over priced real estate.The states and feds are not over spending at a rate anything like it.And now,money will be comming out of that RE into the stock market.Maybe the employed Chinese
will come make up the slack.HAHA!”

“Thursday, February 19, 2004

Scientists rip into Bush's policy, charge 'suppression of information'

WASHINGTON -- President Bush's administration distorts scientific findings and seeks to manipulate experts' advice to avoid information that runs counter to its political beliefs, a private organization of scientists asserted yesterday.

"I've never seen it this bad," said Dr. Gordon Orians, a professor of zoology at the University of Washington and member of the prestigious National Academy of Sciences. "People will always disagree on the interpretation of facts, but what's going on now is the systematic suppression of information."

In a report signed by Orians, 20 Nobel laureates and many other world-renowned scientists, the Union of Concerned Scientists contended that "the scope and scale of the manipulation, suppression and misrepresentation of science by the Bush administration is unprecedented."

They cited areas such as climate change, power plant emissions and overpopulation.

"We're not taking issue with administration policies. We're taking issue with the administration's distortion ... of the science related to some of its policies," said the group's president, Kurt Gottfried. The organization called upon scientists to report "abuses" by the administration and urged Congress to work toward restoring independence and integrity to the scientific community .

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said he had not seen the report but that the administration "makes decisions based on the best available science."

White House science adviser John Marburger said he found the report "somewhat disappointing ... because it makes some sweeping generalizations about policy in this administration that are based on a random selection of incidents and issues."

He added, "I don't think it makes the case for the sweeping accusations that it makes."

Marburger acknowledged that the complaint was signed by a wide assortment of prominent scientists, including Nobel Prize winners and recipients of the National Medal of Science.



But the stature of those making the complaint, he said, is a sign that communication between the White House and the scientific community needs to be improved.

"We need to have a dialogue about what is actually happening, but this report does not do it," Marburger said.

Orians said the critique provides plenty of examples of the Bush administration's attempt to suppress or distort scientific findings it doesn't like -- as well as deliberate attempts to mislead or "just lie" in order to achieve a desired policy.

Last year, for example, while he was serving as chairman of a National Academy group asked to evaluate regulations on arsenic in drinking water, Orians said administration officials rejected the findings of the top experts as unsound.

"They didn't say why and just ordered another study," he said.

On another blue-ribbon panel he served on reviewing water resource problems in Oregon's Klamath Basin, Orians said administration officials completely misrepresented the panel's conclusions.

"None of what they were saying was in our report," the UW scientist said. "Our chairman had to write responses to a lot of people explaining what we said, and what we didn't say."

F. Sherwood Rowland, Nobel laureate known for his studies of ozone, was particularly critical of the administration's approach to climate change.

He said the consensus of scientific opinion about global warming is being ignored and that government reports have been censored to remove views not in tune with Bush's politics.

Luminaries from a broad array of scientific disciplines signed the Union of Concerned Scientists' letter. Among the Nobel signatories are David Baltimore, Leon Lederman, Norman Ramsey, Harold Varmus and Steven Weinberg.

Yale physicist D. Allan Bromley, who was a science adviser to the first President Bush, accused the group of their own form of distortion: "You know perfectly well that it is very clearly a politically motivated statement."

"I don't see it as a partisan issue at all," said Russell Train, who was administrator of the EPA under Presidents Nixon and Ford, and who supported the letter. "If it becomes that way, I think it's because the White House chooses to make it a partisan issue."

Among the union's findings:


A 2003 report that the administration sought changes in an Environmental Protection Agency climate study, including deletion of a 1,000-year temperature record and removal of a reference that attributed some warming to human activity.


A delay in an EPA report on mercury pollution from some power plants.


A charge that the administration pressed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to end a project called "Programs that Work," which found sex education programs that did not focus only on abstinence were still effective.

Last week, when the American Association for the Advancement of Science held its annual meeting -- the world's largest general science conference -- in Seattle, the chief executive officer of the organization expressed concerns similar to that of Orians and the others who signed the report issued yesterday.

"Neither ideology nor policy concerns should constrain the research agenda in any way," said Dr. Alan Leshner, CEO of the AAAS. Leshner said there is a "frightening trend" in this direction now, in which scientists whose findings appear to run counter to the dominant political or cultural agenda are losing funding or appointments.

"We're all really worried about this," said Orians, who served on the first scientific advisory board to the EPA during the Nixon administration. This is more than just typical political meddling, he said.

"This is dangerous," said Orians.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/161177_research19.html





I like that first paragraph:

"President Bush's administration distorts scientific findings and seeks to manipulate experts' advice to avoid information that runs counter to its political beliefs".....

Sounds like the same manipulation of the Iraq intelligence leading up to the war.”

“Orwell was off by 20 years.”