Another Bush lie

“WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush declared Tuesday that rebuilding Iraq, following a U.S.-led invasion there, will be a "massive and long-term undertaking," one that he suggested would require further sacrifice.

Appearing to address concerns about the rising number of U.S. military deaths in Iraq, Bush declared that anyone who attacks U.S. troops "will be met with direct and decisive force." And he said the U.S. commitment to Iraq would not be shaken, despite attacks from "scattered groups of terrorists" inside Iraq.

"There will be no return to tyranny in Iraq," he said, adding that the U.S. presence was needed to assure that Iraq does not fall back into the hands of those loyal to deposed leader Saddam Hussein.

The president vowed that the United States will not leave Iraq "before freedom is fully established,"


...Or at least until Bush can get UN or NATO peacekeepers in there to do the job America can't.”

“...freedom fully established....

Remember what has been said and what promises have been made next year at election time.”

“Didn't see anyone else step up to the plate.”

“The U.S. will be in Iraq until its regional geopolitical goals have been realized. Our staying power has nothing to do with the insurgency.”

“I'd just like to say that UN and NATO peacekeepers are still American Soldiers... Putting international peacekeepers in Iraq would only change the command structure and would not lessen America's commitment. I'm not defending Bush...just our soldiers.”

“So you commies would rather have faction governments attempting to destroy the free worl because of their deep rooted jealousy than have a world run by the people?”

“I'm not a commie...just keep my political views to myself...”

“fist I was talking to the commies, not you. They know who they are.”

“That's a string of ASSumptions there, PackMan.”

“Thats cool then... I hate commies...”

“You know who they are when they attempt to bite back to those statements... Like Tommy there.”

“13fist's first post looks on target to me... just because the UN or NATO is in IRaq won't mean that there is no major US committment or presence.

I don't see any lie in that statement by Bush.”

“If anyone thinks we can leave Iraq now is nuts, and anyone who thinks a stable, free Iraq isn't in the worlds best interest is crazy. Someone needs to do something...”

“See prior post....

"Didn't see anyone else step up to the plate."”

“your right...”

“You seem to be the only one smart enough here to see that.”

“do you really think we can create a "free and stable" Iraq?

The people of Iraq seem to want a theocracy, and in that part of the world theocracy is neither free or stable.

I think trying to force democracy on someone else's country is going to cost us more soldiers. Let's get their power and water running, finish our search for WMD (and Saddam) 'help' them with their free election and get the heck out of Dodge”

“Ah well...you can't get too worked up...people think differently...to them we're the idiots. Its all perspective.

I think everyone should admit that there is a problem over there and the US and allies were the only ones who stood up.”

“They are so nomadic, under-civilized and under exposed to the rest of the world, it's going to take a long time for them to wake up and realize we are there for thier own good.”

“White Man's Burden or QWagmire?”

“So they why doesn't the "US" stand up to the South African government, why doesn't the "US" stand up to the Palestinians, why doesn't the "US" stand up to the pope.... BECAUSE NONE OF THESE BAD SUPRESSING PEOPLE HAVE OIL!!! THE "US" WILL PULL OUT OF IRAQ WHEN ALL THE OIL IS GONE OR AT LEAST THEIRS, BECAUSE THST IS THE ONLY REASON THEY WENT !!! Face it people BUSH went to war to steal oil!!! Man you Americans are blind, I bet you believe in the "Magic Bullet" Theory to hey PackBOY .....”

“More assumptions, PackMan.
Iraq is one of the most cosmopolitan of Middle East countries.

I'm feeling charitable today, so I won't call you a fascist.
You allready did that by throwing the word "commie" around.”

“Funny... Having a long drawn out involvement in Iraq was one of the very reasons people gave for Not invading. It was also a topic Bush dodged continuously.

What was the line then?

"Oh... Iraq is a much more modern country. It shouldn't take too long to establish a stable democratic government."


Yeah, Right.”

“You apparently don't read the news. Lybia and Egypt are eyed as stopping points on the way home. 35 countries have just been cut off financially from the US for thier positions in the world, that don't have oil. It's easy to point and blame Bush and say it's oil.

Are you people that ignorant, you know your buddy Slick Willie threw more Tomohawks into Iraq than we did during the entire Gulf War? You missed that one huh?


It's amazing, blame without facts. Trusting that everything we see, hear, and read is the whole picture. We know what the government wants us to know, nothing more. That's how they keep the people democractic and supposidly have a voice.”

“As 2004 Nears, Bush Pins Slump on Clinton

By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, July 1, 2003 Washington Post

With the start of his reelection campaign in the past two weeks, President Bush has revived his pastime of blaming his predecessor, Bill Clinton, for the economic recession.

"Two-and-a-half years ago, we inherited an economy in recession," he told donors at a Bush-Cheney '04 reception yesterday in Miami. He has raised the same accusation in fundraising appearances since mid-June in Washington, Georgia, New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco.

It's a good applause line for a crowd of red-meat political supporters. The trouble is it's a case of what the president has called, in another context, revisionist history. The recession officially began in March of 2001 -- two months after Bush was sworn in -- according to the universally acknowledged arbiter of such things, the National Bureau of Economic Research. And the president, at other times, has said so himself.

The bad news came on Nov. 26, 2001. The NBER, led by an informal economic adviser to Bush, Martin Feldstein, pronounced that economic activity peaked in March 2001, "a determination that the expansion that began in March 1991 ended in March 2001 and a recession began."

At the time, Bush accepted the verdict with perfect accuracy. "This week, the official announcement came that our economy has been in recession since March," he said in his radio address the next weekend. "And unfortunately, to a lot of Americans, that news comes as no surprise. Many have lost jobs or seen their hours cut. Many have seen friends or family laid off. The long economic expansion that started 10 years ago, in 1991, began to slow last year. Many economists warned me when I took office that a recession was beginning, so we took quick action."

Until the NBER's official pronouncement, Bush had avoided the "R" word. He spoke earlier in 2001 of an "economic slowdown" as administration officials noted, correctly, that the pace of economic growth began to slow (but not contract) in 2000, under Clinton's watch. "In terms of how you call it, what the numbers look like, we've got statisticians who will be crunching the numbers and let us know exactly where we stand," Bush said in October 2001. "But we don't need numbers to tell us people are hurting."

Then, last summer, Bush revised his history of when the recession began. Beginning in August 2002, he began to say that "we did, in fact, inherit an economic recession." Addressing Republican governors in September, he declared: "I want you all to remember that when Dick Cheney and I got sworn in, the country was in a recession." In May of this year, Bush even gave the recession an official starting date three weeks before he took office, saying "our nation went into a recession, starting January 1 of 2001."

The source of this revision apparently was a July 2002 report by Bush's Commerce Department that the economy had contracted in the first quarter of 2001 by 0.6 percent. But that was a quarterly figure that gave no indication when in the quarter the economy turned south. Still, Bush used that to revise the NBER definition so that the economy was in recession "the minute I got sworn in" on Jan. 20.

Feldstein's NBER, which earlier said it gives "relatively little weight" to the quarterly growth figures from Commerce, is not joining in the revision. Two weeks ago, it issued an updated report sticking by its assessment that the recession began in March 2001.

Speaking of moving targets, the White House executed some fancy footwork when the Supreme Court last week issued rulings striking down a Texas law forbidding sodomy and upholding the University of Michigan law school's affirmative action program.

On the sodomy case, Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer, has labored to distance the administration from the Texas case. "The administration did not file a brief in this case, unlike in the Michigan case, and this is now a state matter," Fleischer said when asked for Bush's opinion on whether gay men have the legal right to sexual relations in private. When Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) caused a furor by speaking out on the sodomy case in April, Fleischer had said, "We also have no comment on anything that involves any one person's interpretation of the legalities of an issue that may be considered before the Court."

In fact, Bush has expressed a firm opinion on the Texas sodomy law that the court ruled unconstitutional. He supported it. Human Rights Campaign, a gay-rights group, dug up an article from the Austin American-Statesman of Jan. 22, 1994, titled "Bush promises to veto attempts to remove sodomy law." The newspaper reported:

"Gubernatorial candidate George W. Bush on Friday promised he would veto any attempt by the Texas Legislature to remove from the state penal code a controversial statute outlawing homosexual sodomy. Bush, a Republican, was asked about the sodomy statute shortly after speaking to the Veterans of Foreign Wars and Ladies Auxiliary.

" 'I think it's a symbolic gesture of traditional values,' he said."

On the affirmative action case, Bush announced on Jan. 15 that the administration would file a brief opposing both programs in question, for Michigan undergraduates and law students. He called both programs "a quota system" and said they were "unconstitutional."

But when the Supreme Court last week upheld the program for Michigan law students -- widely seen as a major affirmation of affirmative action -- Bush joined in the celebration. "I applaud the Supreme Court for recognizing the value of diversity on our nation's campuses," he said in a statement issued by the White House.”

“Hey, Clinton is an easy target and Bush is a simple man.”

“He was talking about their basketball teams.”

“why doesn't the "US" stand up to the pope.... BECAUSE NONE OF THESE BAD SUPRESSING PEOPLE HAVE OIL!!!
Face it people BUSH went to war to steal oil!!!
angii
11:20:33 AM
07/02/03

angii, clue me in to why we should stand up to the pope? He surely hasn't supressed anyone in the last 30 years, especially his perverted priests. Why do you think America should stand up to every rogue government in the world? I assume from the phrase "you Americans are blind" that you're from somewhere else. Why doesn't whatever country you're from step up to the plate if it's such a good idea? If it's not a good idea, then shouldn't you be praising the US for keeping out of the other countries' affairs? Which is it--do we go after all the bad guys or none of them? How do we decide which is which?
As for oil, there are several countries with more oil production than Iraq, why didn't we attack them? Or is Venezuela on our short list and you didn't tell us about it?”

“I've kinda learned that using the words "you Americans" doesn't get you very far either ;op”

“Every country has done something which would best be forgotten. I hate the "you Americans" statements that make it sound like we're a bunch of idiots, yet at the same time the person making that statement has seen fit to come to our horrible country. Not you ynami²”

“Those are things that shouldn't be forgetten but examined honestly.”

“Group Hug!”

“angii's post was a bit bizarre: what are we supposed to stand up to South Africa about? Or didn't she notice that Apartheid is over?

The idea that the US or even Bush's only motive was to steal oil was way too simplistic.

That said, I'm wondering if 13fist thinks that Bush's invasion of Iraq (under false pretexts) will help make Iraq opr the world more stable.”

“I was so confused about the South Africa part I left it alone, thinking maybe something had happened I hadn't heard about.”

“Funny... Having a long drawn out involvement in Iraq was one of the very reasons people gave for Not invading.

Not to anyone who was in the know. America is establishing regional hegemony. It was obvious well before the war that the U.S. would have dominant influence - politically and militarily - in the region for some time to come.”

“Maybe she means southern Africa and Zimbabwe?”

“Who put the Dubya in QWagmire?”

“An immoral foreign policy --- and Mutt approves? Tell me it ain't so, LOL

Hm. So everyone "in the know" knew the administration spiel about limited involvement was a lie? That sounds like an impeachable offense.”

“Boil him!”

“An immoral foreign policy --- and Mutt approves? Tell me it ain't so, LOL

What's immoral about protecting national security? I'd rather have Bush's aggressive foreign policy than Clinton's policy of appeasement.

So everyone "in the know" knew the administration spiel about limited involvement was a lie? That sounds like an impeachable offense

No one knew beforehand how the war would go. If Bush Inc had predicted year-long major combat operations, would you also now be complaining they had made an impeachable lie?

But that's neither here nor there. The point, is, people are focusing on tactical foreign policy operations (e.g. Iraq war) and not considering the strategic plan.”

“Those of you who are claiming Bush lied are sounding almost EXACTLY like the repugs when they were impeaching Bill for lying about Monica sucking on his tallywacker.”

“I think there is a problem in the Mid-East. Did we chose the right path? who knows...Nobody can say how this will turn out.

Its not the invasion that will make Iraq stable...its how we conduct ourselves now and in the future. The war is over and now its time to "clean" up both ourselves and Iraq.”

“'National Security'? Ridiculous.

If Bush had predicted a year-long war (and THEN an open-ended police action), how many congressional votes would he have lost? A few more of those Stalwart Democrats (heavy sarcasm) might have opposed his adventurism.

Is this how the dominoes fall? Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran?”

“OMG !!! People People People,
AIDS ....Spouth Africa!!! There are TENS of THOUSANDS of children WITHOUT parents because they have DIED of AIDS, three to six months after they contract HIV!!! The POPE will not bless the use of condoms, because they are a so called "tool" of the DEVIL, and promote non sanctioned sex. OMG I so can't believe I have to explain this, anyway, The "U.S." olny sends money ($100,000.00's) to the Corrupt Government of South Africa (who do not spend it on AIDS drugs), many times they have been asked for the drugs instead, but no , "no we do not share our drugs". Again let me remind you they are dying of AIDS within three to six months of contracting HIV... today in the states HIV cases usually go three to 20 years before contracting AIDS.
What is Bush doing about this? Nothing, he would rather send the daughters and sons of Americans to some made up dumb ass war, by the way the UN is now demanding the proof of these so called "weapons of mass destruction", because to date there still have not been able to find or identify any..Hmmmm!!! So there you go, and Canada was there and we did stand up, in a peaceful way, Saddam was participating actually very well, but you tell me, would you give up your nukes veery easily if you knew another country had them?? (the "U.S." has the largest arsenal of nukes in the world), how come you get to have em, but demand that everyone else gets rid of them? Why attak Iraq, Hmmmm, it was not Iraqies that bombed your precious world trade centers,(I say it that way because you only hear about the actual buildings more than the people, We actually refer to it as the Slaughter of W.T. Employees up here in Canada) it was the Saudies, and Al queda, but no lets attack Iraq...Hmmmmm, not to mention the good old North Koreans building more nukes... Hmmmmm but still lets attack Iraq... even when there had been no disagreements with Saddam for years... but an out and out Threat from both Al Queada and North Korea... but no lets attack Iraq... Hmmmmm So basically Let Millions die of AIDS, don't worry about the Saudies or the Al Queada and their terrorist threats and who cares about the Nukes.... why because Saddam has the oil that is easier to Acquire, because they are still rebuilding from the last bombinb in 91 which was the exact same war. Period!”

“Oh, wait a minute- false alarm. Here's Bush* REPRESSING freedom... but he did free the oil? 200 dead Americans and rising every day; was Bush's* lie worth it?


Occupation Forces Halt Elections Throughout Iraq

William Booth
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, June 28, 2003; Page A20


SAMARRA, Iraq -- "U.S. military commanders have ordered a halt to local elections and self-rule in provincial cities and towns across Iraq, choosing instead to install their own handpicked mayors and administrators, many of whom are former Iraqi military leaders.

The decision to deny Iraqis a direct role in selecting municipal governments is creating anger and resentment among aspiring leaders and ordinary citizens, who say the U.S.-led occupation forces are not making good on their promise to bring greater freedom and democracy to a country dominated for three decades by Saddam Hussein."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42905-2003Jun27.html”

“ok i cant take this bickering anymore. im going back to nakedasianteenagers.com post-haste.”

“Sooo, what's Canada doing in the way of sending drugs to South Africa?
I'm calling for a war on the Vatican here and now!! Shame on the Pope!! And shame on America for not funding the health care system of another country, especially since ours is in such sterling condition!

_{that's sarcasm}”

“lmao”