USA sucks

“with french people...been there visited both times people were very polite...mostly what irritates people is when AMERICANS go there with the attitude and not speak any french...even the basics...yet when they come here it is a must for them to speak english? first time in France was in the south and i was just a tourist with two friends...no attitudes...second time with my wife who is FRENCH and after speaking with her family and friends i found out that most people there are not with their governments choices...just as some of the people here are not happy with ours...i am relatively happy with the way citizens in France have treated me and the opinions which they expressed...and yeah i do agree with ELF we are one of the few to capture something and give it back....we could have ran that race alot differently than we did”

“...we are one of the few to capture something and give it back...


I wonder how Native Americans feel about that statement.”

“"...capture something and give it back..." he didn't say everything!”

“America, love it or LEAVE IT!”

“I saw a bumper sticker once that said.


So you trust the Goverment?Just ask a Indian.

8|”

“Friday, September 5, 2003 Posted: 8:55 AM EDT (1255 GMT)



Depp: Comments taken "radically out of context."

LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- Denying any anti-American sentiment on his part, actor Johnny Depp said quotes attributed to him as likening the United States to a "dumb puppy" were inaccurate and taken out of context.

"I am an American. I love my country and have great hopes for it," Depp said in a statement. "It is for this reason that I speak candidly and sometimes critically about it. I have benefited greatly from the freedom that exists in my country and for this I am eternally grateful."

Depp, starring in the swashbuckling film "Pirates of the Caribbean," issued the statement a day after the German news magazine Stern published an interview in which he ridiculed Washington's confrontation with France, where he lives, over the U.S. war in Iraq.

The magazine quoted the actor as saying: "America is...like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive."

Explaining his comments a day later, Depp said he had been using a metaphor that was taken "radically out of context," adding, "There was no anti-American sentiment."

"What I was saying was that, compared to Europe, America is a very young country and we are still growing as a nation. My deepest apologies to those who were offended, affected, or hurt by this insanely twisted deformation of my words and intent."

Kentucky-born Depp, 40, lives in the south of France with his French wife, actress-singer Vanessa Paradis, and their children.”

“So why speak against YOUR country??? Doesn't America do PLENTY for the rest of the world, namely those "third world" countries? How many lazy, unproductive people does OUR Government continue to feed and financially support by giving the hard-earned taxpayers money to all such persons in the form of Government Handouts? Who else would do that??? Give me a break! As I already said "love it or LEAVE IT"!”

“It gives us the right of free speech, which you, apparently hate.

Have a nice flight to siberia, Mr leave-it.”

“OK, OK, the USA is not perfect and does not have a sqeaky clean history - few countries do. But if there is really only one superpower in the world, and let's face it, there is only one, who would you rather it be than the US? The Russians - I don't think so. How about the Chinese? Maybe the British with their history of imperialism? Maybe the Germans. Opps, not them based on past experiences. The Canadians might be able to handle it. No, imperfect as we are, I think its better the power reside here and I bet when it comes right down to it, much of the world feels the same, even if they won't admit it.”

“Well at least none of the countries you mentioned ever used weapons of mass destruction to terrorize and kill innocent women and children by the hundreds of thousands. (Nagasaki & Hiroshima)”

“"The Middle East has replaced the Soviet Union as
the touchstone of politics and ideology. With increasing
clarity, conservatives stand on one side of its issues and
liberals on the other." --Daniel Pipes


"Indeed, in
common usage, anti-globalization is often just another term for
anti-Americanism." --Jonah Goldberg”

“...ends were it tramples on other people's rights. I'll have the plane fueled up for you very soon. First stop: Siberia.

...and by the way Phaedrus, please capitolize the "S" in "S"iberia next time, ok? Have yourself a nice trip Phaedrus! Talk to you when you get back, if you don't freeze to death first. I sincerly hope you have some good gear! I really do!”

“Maybe none of the countries I mentioned used weapons of mass destruction, but they really never had the opportunity to. Either they didn't have them or there was a significant deterent to them, like American power. But even without wmd, a number of those countries did a pretty thorough job in butchering millions through the conventional means they had at hand. And if you think for one moment, Hitler or Stalin or the Japanese in WWII would have hesitated in using nuclear weapons if they had them, then you'd better reread your history.”

“After failing to convince the Indians to support them 100%...and fearing they might aid the French in Quebec, the British gave the Indians little cans of "gifts"...and told them to open the gifts only when they reach their villages. When the cans were opened, they contained little square pieces of rags....from the clothes wore by people who had the Black Plague. Needless to say, whole villages were wiped out. This happened 200 to 300 years ago...guess the Brits were using Biological Warfare back then.”

“lots of people were killed 200 - 300 years ago.......and?”

“YEAH PHAD, I've been meaning to mention about you and not capitalizing your "S" when they start a proper noun.

AND OHIO HIKER, I'm also going to have to request that you correctly spell "capitalize" (not capitolize) next time you use it in a sentence.

Geez, the grammar on this board disgusts me.”

“you Reminde me Of a nun that once Taught. Me at school; once.”

“Just responding to Alaska's post...ie.."none of the countries you mentioned ever used weapons of mass destruction...".”

“alaska = solitary hiker”

“And America had the opportunity to not use WMD, however chose to. Not to attack some military target, but rather to directly target two large population concentrations of innocent civilians including women and children to achieve the effect of terrorizing the Japanese government into changing their political agenda.

Same thing modern day terrorists do.”

“all countries suck! all people suck! you suck! i suck! they suck! everybody sucks

next topic”

“alaska, you are so #&%!$ing annoying. stupid little troll. you just make anti-american statements because it makes you seem "edgy", not because you really deeply feel that way.”

“c'mon guys. stop giving this wanker fuel.”

“Every country has times when their actions are those of terror for someone.Often,these actions are dictated by minorities of special interest with their eyes on gain.The US as with all countries live with the result of these actions for years and years.History will never be the teacher of the greedy.”

“Alaska couldn't chew his way through a used tampon, muchless a debate that doesn't involve cut and pastes.

Alaska = Violin”

“i dont think alaska is violin”

“If you study the decision to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you would realize that as terrible as it was, it most likely resulted in far fewer lives lost, both American and Japanese, than had the war continued by conventional means. The cost of invading the Japanese homeland would have been horrific even when compared to the dropping of the atomic bombs. Like I said before, Alaska, reread your history. You will have a clearer perspective on things.”

“So what you're saying then is killing hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children is justified if it serves a greater means.

Same way modern day terrorists think.”

“killing in self defence is much different than killing jsut because you hate someone...

logic eludes modern day liberals....”

“I don't think in this case it has anything to do with conservatives or liberals. Only with the reality of the situation. Both Roosevelt, who authorized the development of the bomb, and Truman, who authorized its delivery, were liberals. As a matter of fact, I consider myself a liberal. That doesn't change the situation that had to be faced and the action that had to be taken.”

“Infantry companies were taking 50
to 70 percent casualties on each island campaign. When they heard about the bomb being dropped,they
entertained the thought of surviving the war.Bushido takes no
prisoners. The other stupid argument is that we didn't drop the
bomb on the Germans because they
were white. The bomb just wasn't ready yet.”

“If we faced another campaign of the same size I think many no nukes folks might change their minds. The way many people lose their lunch and call for the impeachment of Bush over 200 deaths in the biggest, fastest military victory in our history, their heads would blow off if we lost 1,500 in one day like we did back then.”

“So if I understand everyone here, killing 100,000 innocent women and children is justified as self-defense, and you would do it again today, in a heartbeat, with no regret.

How is your logic different from a terrorist's?”

“"So if I understand everyone here,”

You obvious are not understanding as you jump to some huge conclusions without the information to form them.

“killing 100,000 innocent women and children is justified as self-defense,”

No. Never was and never will be. Where did I say it was? I was talking about the use of nukes. They ain’t just for civilians ya know and they all aren‘t mega ton city killers.


“and you would do it again today, in a heartbeat, with no regret.”

If faced with a similar situation, yes. With no regret? What kind of an idiotic statement and assumption is that? How could you use them WITHOUT regret? They weren’t used the first time without regret.”

“logic eludes modern day liberals...."
stratdewd
10:49:12 PM
09/07/03

do you EVER have anything NEW to say?”

“ohio hiker...leave, please leave.”

“"So what you're saying then is killing hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children is justified if it serves a greater means.

Same way modern day terrorists think."
Alaska
10:45:12 PM
09/07/03

I personally don't think war is ever "justified", however, sometimes it becomes unavoidable.

Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Berlin, London, Warsaw,,,,, yes civilians became casualties.

Nukes?? It is truly sad that the "winners" in warefare are the ones that can inflict the most damage on the other side while absorbing the losses it takes to do it.

Now don't get me wrong. I don't like warfare. But bygod, when push comes to shove, and the decision is made to do it, then there is no way of doing it half-way.

Truman was faced with a horrible, horrible decision. From all that I have read, he struggled with the decision, carefully weighing the consequences. Ultimately, he decided the vast number of military and civilian casualties that would be incurred on invasion of the home Island would be greater than those incurred by unleashing a weapon of mass destruction. What he could not calculate, however, was the massive will of the Japenese people. An invasion could have gone on for a long time. Resistance would have remained until complete annihilation of the Japenses military.

What Truman surmised was that it would take something so horrific that the will of the Japensese would be broken. As it so happened, the scientists at Oak Ridge and Los Alamos had developed a weapon that had the potential of doing that.

As tragic as the results were, Truman would have been faced with a far worse scenario had the Japense not surrendered upon delivery of the second bomb.”

“And yes, modern terrorists do think the loss of life is justified if it serves a greater cause.

What separates us from them, is that we don't find any glory in it.”

“Perhaps no war is ever completely justified, much less just. However, some wars, may be necessary. Few and far between to be sure, but sometimes they have to be. In the case of World War II, the world was faced with a tremendous evil in Nazism. Unfortunately, the only way to end it was war - there was no other choice. Certainly, the world could not permit the triumph a system as evil as Nazi Germany. It was an absolute necessity, horrible as war is. If you wish to dispute that, please first talk to someone who lived under it or to an American soldier, such as my father, who was among the first troops into Dachau.

You realize, I'm sure, that in such a system a discussion such of this would be irrelevant. It wouldn't even be taking place.

Few wars are ever absolutely necessary, but if ever we were ever justified in going to war, it was World War II. To dispute that is to do a grave disservice to the millions that died during it.

The issue, of course, is deciding which war is truly justified. Few to be sure.”

“This isn't a question if war is justified. The point you're missing is........

Was targeting innocent women & children,

**instead of a military target,**

justified?

Or was it pure terrorism?”

“Terrorism needs to inflicted more by THIS country on others, not less.

If countries like Israel killed innocent women and children in Gaza and the West Bank maybe terrorist would think the cost of killing innocent Israelis was too high. Israelis alway seem to go after terrorist leaders. They need to kill their entire family as well.

For every one of ours killed in a terrorist attack, we kill 500 of yours. End of story. If you don't like it you can blow me.”

“A. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were legitimate military targets. One had a naval base and the other had aircraft plants. If the goal was just to kill civilians, other larger cities, such as Tokyo, would have been targets.

B. 2+ months had passed since Okinawa was taken before the first bomb was dropped. The Imperial Japanese Government could have elected to surrender at any time, especially since Germany fell in May 1945.

C. Faced with 1-2 million allied casualities and 10 times that number of Japanese, I would have not hesitated to nuke the Basturds.”

“well the only reason tokyo wasn't bombed was cause we had already bombed the living daylights out of it. But still no more civilians were killed with two nukes than with hundreds of thousands of conventional bombs dropped on german citys.....”

“Howitzer is correct. Tokyo wasn't a nuclear target because it had already been decimated by continued firebombing, which killed more civilians that either atomic bomb. Part of the reason Nagasaki and Hiroshima were targeted is because they were relatively unscathed by the war at that point. Thus, the impact of the single bomb would be much more obvious. Without a doubt this killed innocent civilians, but in WW II both sides waged total warfare, right or wrong. The end result remains, as terrible as it was, that the atomic bombs shortened the war and saved lives -military and civilian, American and Japanese - in the long wrong.

The other aspect many fail to realize is that had the Japanese mainland been invaded, it probably would have involved the Russians and if that had been the case, Japan may have very well been divided into two zones, Communist and American, much as Korea is today. Try to imagine that. Not a pleasant scenario.”

“For every one of ours killed in a terrorist attack, we kill 500 of yours. End of story. If you don't like it you can blow me

Worked for the USSR.”

“Doesn't seem to working for Israel.”

“Doesn't seem to working for Israel

The way to take care of terrorists is to kill their family and friends and kill the families of the financiers. Do this a few times, and we won't have a problem with terrorists.”

“Tuesday, September 9, 2003 Posted: 12:05 PM EDT (1605 GMT)


FIGHTING APATHY
Over the past 30 years, the percentage of people under 25 who vote has dropped 15 percentage points, the report says. It cites other signs of apathy and low patriotism, such as when children touring Washington said they knew Memorial Day as "the day the pools open."

It's important that students understand not only our flaws and failings, but also the degree to which the United States was really the first modern democracy, and the degree to which it has inspired democrats around the world.
-- Larry Diamond, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's schools are telling an unbalanced story of their own country, offering students plenty about America's failings but not enough about its values and freedoms, says a report drawing support across the ideological spectrum.

Without a change of approach, schools will continue to turn out large numbers of students who are disengaged in society and unappreciative of democracy, the report contends.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/09/09/schools.democracy.ap/index.html

Schools are not the problem!

USA just sucks.....Blame the republicans.”

“We have...uncovered sleeper cells inside the United
States. ... For a generation leading up to September the 11th,
2001, terrorists and their radical allies attacked innocent
people in the Middle East and beyond without facing a sustained
and serious response. The terrorists became convinced that free
nations were decadent and weak. And they grew bolder, believing
that history was on their side. ... The Middle East will either
become a place of progress and peace or it will be an exporter of
violence and terror that takes more lives in America and in other
free nations. The triumph of democracy and tolerance in Iraq, in
Afghanistan and beyond would be a grave setback for international
terrorism. The terrorists thrive on the support of tyrants and the
resentments of oppressed peoples. When tyrants fall, and resentment
gives way to hope, men and women in every culture reject the
ideologies of terror and turn to the pursuits of peace. Everywhere
that freedom takes hold, terror will retreat. ... For America,
there will be no going back to the era before September the 11th,
2001, to false comfort in a dangerous world. We have learned that
terrorist attacks are not caused by the use of strength; they are
invited by the perception of weakness. And the surest way to avoid
attacks on our own people is to engage the enemy where he lives
and plans. We are fighting that enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan
today so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in
our own cities." --George W. Bush address to the nation (07SEP03)”

“looks good. I'm sure the party will by it. check is in the mail. keep up the good work. I owe you one, or you owe me one? sweat dreams, sweat cheeks!”