Barry Bonds Is A Big Mouthed Horse's But t

“This guy should just play ball. Sorry, but this is out of bounds...

Big Mouth”

“Is it out of Bonds, too?

The guy is a twirp! He just likes to hear himself talk.”

“He is. Sorry, but the Babe really was a great ball player. That's just fact! If nothing else, just for his pitching alone! (Not to mention all the hits, runs, RBIs and Homers)”

“Bond's defense sucks too! I have seen him make some great catches, but drop some that my 5 year old nephew could catch.”

“Tree, this is not news. Bonds doesn't care what people think about anything he says. He's been that way for as long as I can remember. But he also often gets a bum rap from the media because he doesn't bow down to them. If a sportswriter asks him a stupid question, he tells them so, then the guy goes and writes what a jerk he (Bonds) is. I usually ignore any negative stuff the press says about him because a lot of it is just that Bonds doesn't make an effort to be a PR machine.

Gotta admit the guy can hit, though!

Plus, he's my homey (is that the term?) - we grew up in the same city, although he's a couple years younger.”

“It sounds like he is your beyatch as well. He can hit, and stirke out to.”

“What a racist remark. A big mouthed horse's butt.”

“I apologize to all the other horse's butts in the world!”

“Re: K's, BB narrowly missed becoming one of the only (maybe the only ever??) players to hit more than 40 homers and strike out fewer times than the number of homers he hit. In 2001 (I think) he had 46 homers and only 47 K's. He struck out more early in his career but is now pretty hard to strike out.”

“He may be a big-mouthed horse's butt, but I hate it when he comes to bat against the Fightin's! If they strike him out or get him to pop up, it just makes him more dangerous later in the game.

The Bambino, by the way, was pretty outspoken about his greatness as well. When some sports writer told him that he made more than the president of the United States, his answer was, "I hit more home runs!"”

“I'd take an a-hole who can hit the long ball over the fragile wuss we have in Griffy Jr. The dude spends more time on the bench than the Fing manager!”

“Ain't it funny how the Big Unit, Junior, and A-Rod all left and the Mariners still made the playoffs?”

“One of the things I really love about baseball is that one man really can make a difference. Eechee-row is one of those great all around players who does make a difference up there. On the other side of the coin wrapping millions and millions of dollars into a turd like Jr. can also effect the team. The Reds should just put the short stop on the pitchers mound and play without a pitcher. Can't get any worse!”

“Bonds should sue the manufacturer of the steroids he takes claiming they’re the reason he’s says stupid things.”

“Now what would have happened if the Babe had been on steroids instead of cigars and beer?”

“"Now what would have happened if the Babe had been on steroids instead of cigars and beer?"
Geobeet
03:33:38 PM
07/24/03
you forgot the hookers”

“you forgot that he also ate one hot dog for each aquare inch of his body...”

“One of the Babe's roommates told about a time the Babe had a woman in the bedroom. The guy was sitting in the next room. The springs would squeak, then stop, then the Babe would come out, light a cigar, take a few puffs, go back in, then the springs would squeak again. This happened several times and the guy finally fell asleep. Next day he asked the Babe, "How many times did you screw that gal?"

Babe counted the cigars in the ash tray. "Six!"”

“Bonds update:

Threw out a runner at home in the top of the 9th to keep the game tied. Hit first pitch of the bottom of the 9th for a walk-off homer. Snubbed reporters after the game. Why? "My dad's [Bobby, with lung cancer] in the hospital - gotta go." Five bucks says somebody will call him a jerk for not answering questions....”

“I think that answer was sufice enough. Problem is: sportswriters are a bunch of weiners. If their question doesn't get answered, they start crying like little babies, then they write that this golfer, this running back is a dick.

I still think Bonds is full of himself and would want him on my team anyday.”

“To be sure, Bonds has long seemed a jerk (Ruth was no angel, either). Regarding his fielding, the guy's 39 for chrissake! The question is, would you want Bonds on your team, "chemistry" notwithstanding.

Also, remember that Bonds' dad is in the hospital with cancer. That would affect anyone's attitude.”

“The original point is being stretched a bit thin here. Bonds makes some bold statements. I say, 'back 'em up.' Even if he surpassed Ruth on all his accomplishments, erasing his name from the books is a stupid point to stick by. No, Ruth was no model citizen, but not many of these guys are. But, the guy accomplished a lot pertaining to the game. Baseball has quite a history. Why try to tarnish it with unnecessary trash talk? Unless it's deliberate and your objective is to be perceived as a loud mouthed horse's butt, to which he may have just acheived his goal. As far as being a great player: yes, I would want Bonds on my team (and I would personally fit him with a muzzle). But, Barry, you have acheived baseball greatness, but you are not necessarily the best who ever played...”

“Tru Dat, tree”

“Bonds is a very talented player, but there’re are people like Babe Ruth and Jackie Robinson who achieved much more than records they transformed the game. Bonds may break records, but that’s all he’ll do. He’ll never achieve their level of baseball greatness.”

“Well put, MH”

“"Bonds may break records, but that’s all he’ll do. He’ll never achieve their level of baseball greatness."

Good point; the great ones transcend the record. Many have traveled cross-country, but there was only one Lewis and Clark (OK, there were actually two of them).”

“Barry is Barry. He just hits homeruns, makes silly statements, and disses the press. He gets paid to hit homeruns, not make diplomatic speeches. He's the Charles Barkley of baseball. Someone will come along one day and break his records too. I find it hard to take what jocks say seriously. They're not exactly deep thinkers. Larry Anderson excepted, of course.”

“Look at the source originally quoted in this thread, it's one fan's comments. Yes, Bond's is not media friendly, but the media is the media and they tend to be pushy, have no respect for privacy and will distort the truth to sway opinions. There have been other surly players in recent history...Mark McGwire and Cal Ripken to name two, yet they are worshipped.

Many baseball experts are starting to consider Bond's as the all time greatest, obviously this can never be proven and is opinion only as are opinions that Mays was the greatest or Dimaggio, Williams, Musial, Aaron, Ruth, Mantle... The fact is that you can't compare statistics from one era to another. The game has changed and is much more competitive today. Another fact, Bonds is shattering the oldest records in the books. His recent records with OBP, BB and Slugging Pct go back to Ruth in the 20's. These are single season records that were on the books for 3/4's of a century and Bonds alone has shattered each of them multiple times in the last few years.

My opinion is no player in the history of the game has ever been as dominant an offensive threat as Bonds has in the past few years. No batter has ever been pitched around like Bonds has and no player has made the most of the few pitches he sees. He's also extremely disciplined, he doesn't swing at pitches outside the strike zone. The year he set the HR record, he smashed just about every viable pitch he saw.

He leads the league in HR's this year with 33 yet has 100 fewer at bats then 2nd place Albert Pujols who has 29 HR's.

Other players who have never won a championship:

Karl Malone
Barry Sanders
Ernie Banks
Dan Marino

I'd consider them at the top of there game.”

“Pretty good points Dunk.

You also have to remember that since Ruth's day the ball has been juiced, the stadiums are smaller, and the pitching mound lowered. Not to mention the longer season.

On the other side of the coin, they play night games now and the longer season means less days off. It becomes pointless to argue who is the best, but overall, I'd have to say the Babe Ruth had a bigger challenge hitting 60 homeruns in 1927 than anybody now faces hitting 70-some. Then too, had he kept himself in better shape, he might have hit 70 back then.

But I still hate it when Barry comes to bat against the Fightin's.”

“Geobeet you forgot steroids, and water downed pitching. The hitters today don’t face a quality pitcher nearly every time at bat like they used to. With the number of teams out there the term major league pitcher isn’t what it once was.”

“Story about Babe Ruth.

Some reporters were sitting in a train that the Yankees were traveling on. The Babe bolts through the car they're in completely naked followed by a woman also naked chasing him with a knife. The reporters look at each other and one says, "I didn't see that, did you?" The other reporter say's "No, I didn't see that either."

The point is, with this off hands approach of the media back in the day, how much do we really know about the personalities and makeup of players back then. For all we know the only "bad" guy before 1950 was Ty Cobb, but you know there were more.”

“Dunk I agree the press today knows an ugly story about someone will sell more than a good story. It's hard to compare numbers from two different eras. They don't even play doubleheaders any more.”

“As far as steroids goes, we don't know if he's on them or not, he's inocent until proven guilty.

Yes, pitching has certainly been diluted in the expansion era, but generally speaking the area of weakness is at the middle relief spot and 5th starter, sometimes 4th starter. Bonds has had very good success against the top pitchers in the game.

My opinion is that the very best players of any era would probably be stars no matter when they played. Cy Young, Christy Matthewson, Warren Spahn, Bill Terry, Hack Wilson, Grover Washington and Bob Feller would be stars today as Barry, A-Rod, Schilling, Pedro, the Big Unit would be stars of yesterday.”

“Yes great players would be great no matter when they played, the comparing of numbers is where the problem is. I don’t know if Bonds uses steroids or not, but in the age of steroids when someone like Bonds suddenly bulks up and goes on this kind of a run at an age when most players skills diminish people are going to wonder. I don’t know maybe his training routine is just superb or maybe he’s found the fountain of youth.”

“I think the fountain of youth is...playing in the bay area. Look at the players who have excelled at 38+; Jerry Rice, Steve Young, Rich Gannon, Barry Bonds...”

“You don't suppose they were drinking from the bay do you.”

“I agree with that last part Dunk.

As far as pitching goes, there was no middle relief or closer role back then. There wasn't much of a bullpen either. Starters were expected to finish and finish strong. And they did, generally.

There was usually one ace on a team, and aces were matched against aces when a series began. So you'd have Robin Roberts facing Don Newcomb against the Dodgers and Warren Spahn against the Braves. If you had two good pitchers you could get to the World Series with good hitting and some luck, and if you had three good pitchers you were in hog heaven.

The other thing about baseball in the old days was that they had good guys waiting in the wings, kept at the AAA level until somebody went down with an injury or reached the end of the trail. The talent pool was deeper because there were less teams at the top.

Then too, with segregated baseball, there was another talent pool that white fans never saw unless they went to a Negro League game. They had a host of good players too.

So players who excelled back then did so against a pretty rich pool of talent.

That said, conditioning had not been heard of. Players drank and caroused until very recently. In 1993, John Kruk said, "Lady, I ain't no athlete. I'm a ballplayer!"

So the assessment that good players from any era would likely excell in any other era is correct. Changes in the game aside, and there have been many, a good ballplayer is still a good ballplayer.

One other factor. In the old days, pitchers threw at the head routinely to brush them off the plate or intimidate them. The hitter stood back up, dusted himself off, choked up, and tried to work his way on base, steal second, and score. It was a code. Now the antics are beyond silly. They couldn't choreograph it any better.”

“Well said Geo. Willie Mays showed visible anger once in his career. He was purposely spiked while stealing 2nd. He picked up the SS and threw him to the ground. That's where it ended. I think one of the most awesome moments in BB was when Ventura got his a$$ kicked by Ryan.”

“If they had charged the mound against Drysdale or Sal "The Barber" Maglie, the would not have wanted to dig in in their next at-bat!”

“The Yank-me's have been full of mouthy players for decades. A Yankee fan worrying about Bonds' stupidity is rich man, rich.”

“Mouthy players, mouthy owner, mouthy fans.”

“And one turncoat!”

“Did you see what Bonds did yesterday?

At Wrigley Field in Chicago during batting practice, he hit a ball that crashed through an apartment window across the street. Now that is some power! Aparently the Cubs were paying attention to this to because they intentionally walked him in the first inning.”

“... from Lansdale, Pa!”

“I fell in love with the Giants as a little leaguer many many moons ago. Don't try to get down on my players, Tree. I don't care how stupid they are.”

“It's the jilted lover syndrome. SF stole the Grunts from NY!”

“They would have stolen my team, but the San Francisco Phillies has no ring to it.”

“Ok, Dun. Fair enough...”

“Fair enough??? Tree, they stole your team!!!”

“I am now backing off, Tree.
And, Geo, you are playing politics now, aren't you? Quit it.”