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“Browns, Braves, A's, Giants, Dodgers, Senators, A's again, Senators again, Braves again, Pilots.”

“I remember the Kansas City Athletics. Up yours, Charlie!!!!”

“Geo, the Giants moved 51 years ago, it's under the bridge.

Name the only player to hit a HR for each of the 3 braves locations?

SD almost became Washington in 74.

The 2 Senators moves are two separate teams (Min & Tx)

SF almost moved to TB in 94

and theres still no NFL in LA”

“LA doesn't want the NFL. They love their football there, and like not being blacked out on Sundays. Besides, the Rams have done much better in St. Louis.”

“51 years??? 1958-2003! It think the Browns-Orioles theft was 51 years ago though. A's moved in '54 the first time.

Eddie Mathews.

Correct about the Senators, but two Senators teams were taken from the folks in DC.

The A's moved from Philadelphia to Kansas City and from Kansas City to Oakland. They and the Braves are the only franchises to have been filched twice.”

“The NFL probably doesn't want to have a team in LA. Every time some team wants a new stadium at taxpayers' expense, they can threaten to move to LA and voila, new stadium. Put a team in LA, and the rest of the owners lose that (very big) bargaining chip.”

“You're right we don't want the NFL, we get to see more games without a team.

PS. You're wrong about the Rams... they won a superbowl since they left but other than that year their combined record is worse since they left”

“BTW Dunadan, it's baseball season. What are ya doing talking about football?

He tried to slip that one by me, he did!”

“Sounded good, though, didn't it, Donman?
Bring back Roman Gabriel and Nolan Cromwell.

BTW, what college did Nolan Cromwell, (multiple pro-bowler), attend, and what position did he play?”

“Damn Dan, you are fount of knowledge... I have no clue

I did one time smack into Flipper Anderson”

“Please don't be impressed, Don. It's a ringer question posed by someone who was blessed to watch Nolan Ryan run the best wishbone offense, (Barry Switzer said that), that has ever been seen. In fact, Kansas was on its way to a truly awesome season when injured in a questionable play against Oklahoma. Sour grapes? You bet.”

“And, Geo, you are playing politics now, aren't you? Quit it."
Dunadan

Geo, you're just jealous because nobody wants to steal your team...”

“In fact, I am sending Philly money so that they stay put.
Great one, Tree.”

“lol Dun!”

“The A's were our team when I was a kid.

As for the Phillies, as I said earlier, the San Francisco Phillies doesn't quite make it.

And Dunk: Eddie Mathews is correct!”

“Royals in first place! Giants in first place! Life is sweet.....”

“Dunk must still be going over the math.”

“Ah, those wonderfull trips to Lawrence Kansas, played against Mr Cromwell going on to 30 years ago now.

If I remember right we won 18-17.”

“I can't remember the score. However, I do remember tying Colorado 18-18 when they were ranked third in the country. Them was some heady days for the Jayhawks.”

“1972, Washington State 18, Kansas 17

To be fair, 1971 Kansas 34, WSU 0”

“38 and 27 is all any true yankee fan cares about.....

I think the yanks have one of the most laid back teams during this stretch then they ever have had....

If your talking about the reggie, billy ball era yes they where a freak show and still won 2 WS.....

But Jeter, williams, oniel, posada, rivera, pettitte are total class acts... and they are the only remaining core of the 4 WS teams....

I dont get your beef? other then your a Red sux fan and if you are then all i have to say is:
BUCKY DENT !!! haha”

“Are we forgetting one David Wells? I promised Tree that I would back off, so no more.”

“Bonds Indicted on Federal Charges
By PAUL ELIAS,AP
Posted: 2007-11-15 20:11:17
Filed Under: MLB
SAN FRANCISCO (Nov. 15) - Barry Bonds, baseball's home run king, was indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice Thursday and could go to prison instead of the Hall of Fame for telling a federal grand jury he did not knowingly use performance-enhancing drugs.

The indictment, culminating a four-year investigation into steroid use by elite athletes, charged Bonds with four counts of perjury and one of obstruction of justice. If convicted, he could be sentenced to a maximum of 30 years in prison.



Shortly after the indictment was handed up, Bonds' personal trainer, Greg Anderson, was ordered released after spending most of the past year in prison for refusing to testify against his longtime friend.

"During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes," the indictment said.



In August, when the 43-year-old Bonds passed Hank Aaron to become the career home run leader, he flatly rejected any suggestion that the milestone was stained by steroids.

"This record is not tainted at all. At all. Period," Bonds said.

But while San Franciscans cheered his every swing and fans elsewhere scorned every homer, a grand jury quietly worked behind closed doors to put the finishing touches on the long-rumored indictment.



Bonds is by far the highest-profile figure caught up in the steroids probe, which also ensnared track star Marion Jones. She pleaded guilty in October to lying to federal investigators about using steroids and faces up to six months in prison.

Bonds finished the year with 762 homers, seven more than Aaron, and is currently a free agent. In 2001, he set the season record with 73 home runs.

Late in the season, the San Francisco Giants told the seven-time National League MVP they didn't want him back next year.

Bonds could not immediately be reached for comment. One of his attorneys, John Burris, didn't know of the indictment before being alerted by The Associated Press and said he would call Bonds to notify him.

"I'm surprised," Burris said, "but there's been an effort to get Barry for a long time. I'm curious what evidence they have now they didn't have before."

Bonds' defense attorney, Mike Rains, declined comment because he hadn't seen a copy of the indictment.

"However, it goes without saying that we look forward to rebutting these unsupported charges in court," Rains said. "We will no doubt have more specific comments in the very near future once we have had the opportunity to actually see this indictment that took so long to generate."

Bonds is scheduled to appear in U.S. District Court in San Francisco on Dec. 7.

He has never been identified by Major League Baseball as testing positive for steroids.

The Giants, the players' union and even the White House called it a sad day for baseball.

"This is a very sad day. For many years, Barry Bonds was an important member of our team and is one of the most talented baseball players of his era. These are serious charges. Now that the judicial process has begun, we look forward to this matter being resolved in a court of law," the Giants said.

Union head Donald Fehr said he was "saddened" to learn of the indictment, but cautioned that "every defendant, including Barry Bonds, is entitled to the presumption of innocence unless and until such time as he is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt."

In Washington, White House spokesman Tony Fratto said: "The president is very disappointed to hear this. As this case is now in the criminal justice system, we will refrain from any further specific comments about it. But clearly this is a sad day for baseball."

Commissioner Bud Selig withheld judgment, saying, "I take this indictment very seriously and will follow its progress closely."

Bush, who once owned the Texas Rangers, called Bonds to congratulate him in August when the Giants' outfielder broke the home run mark. "You've always been a great hitter and you broke a great record," Bush said at the time.

Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, who is investigating drug use in baseball, declined comment. So did Hall of Fame vice president Jeff Idelson.

Bonds was charged in the indictment with lying when he said he didn't knowingly take steroids given to him by Anderson. Bonds is also charged with lying that Anderson never injected him with steroids.

"Greg wouldn't do that," Bonds testified in December 2003 when asked if Anderson ever gave him any drugs that needed to be injected. "He knows I'm against that stuff."

Anderson's attorney, Mark Geragos, said the trainer didn't cooperate with the grand jury that indicted Bonds.

"This indictment came out of left field," Geragos said. "Frankly I'm aghast. It looks like the government misled me and Greg as well, saying this case couldn't go forward without him."

Prosecutors promised Bonds they wouldn't charge him with any drug-related counts if he testified truthfully. But according to the indictment, Bonds repeatedly denied taking any steroids or performance-enhancing drugs despite evidence to the contrary.

For instance, investigators seized a so-called "doping calendar" labeled "BB" during a raid of Anderson's house.

"He could know other BBs," Bonds replied when shown the calendar during his testimony.

Asked directly if Anderson supplied him with steroids, Bonds answered: "Not that I know of." Bonds even denied taking steroids when he was shown documents revealing a positive steroids test for a player named Barry B.

Bonds said at the end of the 2003 season, Anderson rubbed some cream on his arm that the trainer said would help him recover. Anderson also gave him something he called "flax seed oil," Bonds said.

Bonds then testified that prior to the 2003 season, he never took anything supplied by Anderson - which the indictment alleges was a lie because the doping calendars seized from Anderson's house were dated 2001.



Bonds has long been shadowed by allegations that he used performance-enhancing drugs. The son of former big league star Bobby Bonds, Barry broke into the majors with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1986 as a lithe, base-stealing outfielder.

By the late 1990s, he'd bulked up to more than 240 pounds - his head, in particular, becoming noticeably bigger. His physical growth was accompanied by a remarkable power surge.

Speculation of his impending indictment had mounted for more than a year, but the specter of steroid allegations have shadowed him for much longer.

The government's steroids probe went public in September 2003, when federal agents raided the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) - the Burlingame-based supplements lab that was the center of a steroids distribution ring.

Bonds joins a parade of defendants tied to the BALCO investigation, including Anderson, who served three months in prison and three months of home detention after pleading guilty to steroid distribution and money laundering.

BALCO founder Victor Conte also served three months in prison after he pleaded guilty to steroids distribution. But Conte has long insisted that Bonds didn't get steroids from his lab.

Associated Press Writer Chris Weber in Los Angeles contributed to this report.


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“I predict there will be a huge effort to make this into a “sports lynching” by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.”

“Will he go to jail as a Pirate or Giant???”

“Sorry but when you are over 21 and your hat size goes up something like 3 sizes....

LOL I heard that some woman wanted to charge Barry with Sexual assault, but after the police viewed the evidence all they could hope for was "Small Claims Court"
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“LMAO @ chinmusic.”

“what got me was how he said he tested postivie because of flax seed.

umm if that is true, i am in sooo much trouble. cause I eat that stuff”

“Wow. That's not what he said.”