Transcripts of 9/11

“I started to read some of the transcripts,
I just can't do it.
Still not sure why they had to release this to the public.”

“Me either. I heard some last night. It will surely open old wounds.”

“I'm with you guys on this. I started reading them and they are just too much! Yet, I was reading a poll and 65% thought that this is important to release. Who are these folks and why do they feel this is important. I would actually love to see a poll of people who lost folks in the tragedy or were affected more directly rather than people who just saw it on TV. That may make for a more accurate assessment of whether they should have been released, IMO.”

“I'm reading them now. Terrible and inspiring.

I'm personally glad they were released, and I hope they heal more wounds than they aggravate.”

“how can they help heal old wounds?”

“Wasn't it as a result of a court order? Some families thought the details may be useful in future actions.”

“anyont that wants a copy has to pay $500.00

did they say where they money was going to?”

“I was listening to an interview with a couple of families of 9/11 victims, maple. One of them was for and the othe against the tapes being released. The ones for it really wanted to know what had happened during their loved ones last minutes. They felt it would help them move on.

I don't see the release of these tapes as a completely bad thing.”

“Yeah, it's gotta cut a little too close to the bone for you guys. I really have no interest in reading or hearing any of it. We must morn for the lost and we should be able to put it behind us. Life is good so let's live it.

Come everyone, get them pants off!! What do ya say?!”

“Be sure when she passes out to swab a little Vasilien on her butt crack. When she wakes up in the morning tell her, "Thanks for last night dear. I've always wanted to try that.".

Did that to my buddy Mike and for some reason he didn't think it was funny."
Nigal
12:58:42 PM
08/28/03



ummm I think not”

“Everyone grieves in their own way. FOr some, reading the transcrips will help. FOr others, it will open old wounds.

I guess its like hike your own hike. If you want to read the transcripts, do it. If not, pass them by.”

“Here's a for instance: Pablo Ortiz and Frank DeMarini are heroes, and people should know that they saved close to 50 lives that day, before losing their own.”

“You make a good point, Phaed. That makes a lot of sense. Just to take it a step further. My other question is, 'open to the general public' or 'open to the families and those with closer ties to it'?”

“I guess the hard part is just having to read all the bad stuff to find the good things that people did.
it's just pretty hard to read. I guess i juat don't have the stomach to read it. maybe someday, but just not yet”

“Personally, I'm of the opinion that these are historic documents, and they are important to the public. I know that those closer to the tragedy, such as you and maple, may be more deeply affected by the transcripts, and I hope that the release was done with consideration for your feelings and the feelings of the victims families. That said, I still think it's necessary to get them out.”

“On CBC radio this morning they interviewed the woman who spearheaded the struggle to have the transcripts released. Her point was that it is important to have the information available to ensure that protective emergency measures be improved.

She said her husband was told by security people not to evacuate the building, but that these people knew there was a second 'plane coming as it was the same group at the aeroport that was tracking it.

There was also a discussion on just what does the public need to know.

I ahve a friend who was in the second tower and he didn't ask anyone anything, but just got his arse out of there. He is still alive.”

“I'm glad they were released. I've read some of them, and it's been very moving.

For those who are whining about their release, just don't read it. It's the same issue of emotional maturity brought up by the ignore button on this forum - if you don't want to read it, don't.”

“Although nearly 3,000 people died, I'm amazed 25,000 people were evacuated.”

“Mutt, once again you missed the point. I was not whinning, i was asking why

see the difference?”

“Empathy is not one of Mutt's strong points.”

“A group of people on the 64th floor died because they were told to stay put rather than having them leave the building. That's painful, yet important.”

“okay, so what did I miss? Where did you read those?”

“yes i can choose to ignore all of it. but it is very very hard to ignore it when ever i turn around, there it is.
newpapers
tv
news
radio
on the net”

“Points well taken, even from Mutt (you phucking putz). Can't you have a discussion without reducing it to your elitist, pseudo-ivory tower bs, where you are compelled to condescend to everyone around you. Your comments were unnecessary and you know it. You are too bright to not know it. Perhaps you feel you were born to enlighten the world with whatever your narrow mind comes up with, but you are just a man like I am. Like it or not, Mutt! So, blow it out your ass, snob!”

“Treebeard, my man, from beer thievin' to fightin' words. Be cool, please.”

“I am cool, G man. This guy is just a little too full of himself. He knows it too. And probably loves it...”

“Yeah, emotional maturity does extend to empathy. In other words, baiting and abusing people over sensitive issues while claiming some sort of emotional maturity advantage makes you not only a hypocrite, but a jerk.”

“I have a window decal on my truck.
A replica of the NYFD Badge. The
number 343 for firemen dead, and
the date. I would like to see a
decal for the civilians too.”

“TreeBeard....I don't understand what Mutt said in his post to make you respond that way. WTF? Bad Day?”

“Link

Just minutes after the first plane struck the World Trade Center, the full sense of chaos and panic had yet to overwhelm the PATH station below the twin towers. But the dispatcher on site knew something was seriously wrong as he directed the arrival of thousands of commuters during the morning rush.

"Rich," the dispatcher asked Richie Moran, the system's train master over the radio, according to a transcript of the conversation. "What are you going to do with us? I just unloaded."

Mr. Moran was supervising train traffic on the PATH system from his office in Journal Square in Jersey City.

"We want people out of the station, not in," Mr. Moran told the dispatcher. Load the train up again, he said, and get it out of there.

Over the next 20 minutes, PATH supervisors rerouted several trains that were already en route to the buildings. They directed one train that had already arrived to keep its passengers on board and head back out. Another was told to simply loop through the station and return to New Jersey. The efficiency of their decision-making, which Port Authority officials credit with saving hundreds of lives, was captured in the transcripts released yesterday.

"Take those passengers with you," Mr. Moran told a conductor whose train from Hoboken was approaching the trade center with an estimated 1,000 people.

"I will not open my doors," the conductor responded. "I'm taking them with me."

Passengers who had already gotten off trains were evacuated by the police, and the station emptied quickly. But a final train, with just a conductor and an engineer aboard, was dispatched from Jersey City to pick up a dozen or so PATH workers still there.

"We are going to use you as an evacuation train," Mr. Moran told the conductor. The rescue train ran into a problem, however. A man who had been sleeping on the platform refused to leave.

"You'll have to get the passenger on board. If he doesn't want to get on board, you have to leave him," Mr. Moran told the crew.

The crew asked whether a police officer could be dispatched. Mr. Moran then told them what had already become obvious above ground. "We have an extreme situation at the World Trade Center," he said.

The last train left at 9:11 a.m., 48 minutes before the south tower collapsed. No passengers were stranded in the tunnel by the collapse. The sleeping man was among those evacuated.”

“It extended to another 'discussion' we had a week or so ago. For a smart guy, he doesn't learn much from the past.”

“Wow such bile from the trees. I've always maintained they were overly sensitive - I believe I'm vindicated on this point.

If speaking out against censorship is emotionally immature, then I guess I am guilty. Thanks for the enlightenment, phaedrus.”

“Guilty as charged,. Toss the arrogant jackoff back up in his ivory tower!”

“Censorship?! You're a piece of work, Mutt. You're doing nothing but trying to rile people through inflammatory language.

But maybe that just makes me "oversensitive". Another example of your outlook being the one and only correct one, right?”

“Nobody on this thread advocated censorship Muttonhead. Learn to read what's written.”

“Yes, Phaed. Like I have any power or desire to censor him. For a smart guy, he is very unsure of how to throw these terms around...”

“please explain where BILE from me is?

you made a statemnt and I responded to it.

i took offence to what you said. thats it.

and at what part of my comment did you find it "emotionally immature"?

by the fact that i did not understand the need to have this made public?



so excuse the hell out of me if YOU do not understnd why this can be upsetting to the PUBLIC!”

“hey mutt, when you are done wearing your blinders, can i borrow them?”

“In any tragedy, there will be rubber-neckers. Lots of people want to know what happened 2 years ago. Heroic and sad stories will surely come out.”