Masons ARE NOT Christians

“Some people think they can be both a "Christian and a Mason". No way. The two are opposed one to the other. Christianity is based on the Word of God while Freemasonry is based on the so-called "ancient mysteries" which are Satanic in orgin. This of course will upset most people but God's Word is the truth and the judge of all things.”

“What brought this out?


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“You are so full of #&%!$ your eyes are turning brown.”

“I'm not an active Freemason anymore but Ah, never mind, why bite?”

“[+] message from Ohio Hiker being ignored

What are you all talking about?”

“And just which "G-d's word" is truth? The christian one? The Buddhist one? The Toa one? The Islamic one? The Jewish one?

Something that is so blatantly truthful in one person's eye is completely relative in anothers.”

“Lets see here... ummmmm... if Masons are not Christians... and, ummmm... Christians are not Satanic... then, ummmmm... Masons are a bunch of old farts who wear funny hats???”

“From the post on another thread, it is clear he is taking a shot directly at me.

It will take a better man the Ohio Hiker to do any damage.

#&%!$ him and the horse he rode in on.”

“Are you paranoid chili? No one is attacking you personally. I'm just stating a fact. Why all the hostility?”

“Thanks for asking. Very good of you. Thanks.”

“Horse #&%!$ing?

That's pretty sick! Now Zenkeys, on the other hand, are mighty cute.



Zenkey foal a hybrid star”

“Alright. OH is an offical jerk.....”

“Ohio hiker. You state that the religions are based on two irreconsiable creeds (my paraphrase). I suspect that the tenants of the two religions are indeed in conflict, but I also suspect that, as in many cases, they have tenants that agree with each other.

For example, the Catholic church and the Souther Baptist church do not agree on the worship of Mary, but they stand side by side at abortion demonstrations.

I guess what I am suggesting you do, is quote where the tenants are in conflict, from each religions book or statement of faith. And while you are at it show where they are in agreement. For example, do they both recognize a supreme being? I would be very interested in seeing the differences, laid right out.

Right now, you and chili are taking shots at each other, but not really stating your case. You did mention that Masonry is based on ancient mysteries while christianity is based on the word of God. How about a little more stating your case, but please, no novels.”

“I'll play along Ohio. This general discussion came up in another thread you started. I'm assuming you're referring to religions in the Judeo/Christian tradition. Define Holy Bible. The King James, the Torah, or the Book of Mormon?”

“If the two tenants are in conflict, I just hope they don't drag the landlord into it.”

“Masons ARE NOT Christians
"This is for chil1 who said he "was both a Christian and a Mason". Impossible.

Ohio Hiker
02:53:29 PM
09/02/03

"Are you paranoid chili? No one is attacking you personally.

Ohio Hiker
03:22:15 PM
09/02/03


Now, I realize I am from Lower Alabama, and thus, am sometimes perceived to be a little slow.

But bygod, if that wasn't personal, I must truly have trouble understanding the English language.”

“"Define Holy Bible. The King James, the Torah, or the Book of Mormon?"

Exactly.”

“Amazingly enough, just about all of the concepts and origins of Free Masonry can be found in the Holy Bible.

Of course, I am sure Ohio Hiker, having raised his assertion can give the details on it.”

“You guy keep attcking OhioHiker but hes right about this. Just look at the jewely those guys have on there hats. Pray about it and yull realise who is behind it.”

“Why am I not surprised at OH's advocate?”

“THIS IS NOT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. Use common sense, wisdom, discretion in spreading this information, while avoiding skeptics, PARANOID TYPES, RELIGIOUS FANATICS, and the emotionally unstable.

CIVILIZATIONS ON MARS

In 1959 a Martian flying DISC SPACECRAFT reportedly landed in the wilderness outside of Moscow, in the Soviet Union, where a secret meeting with Soviet Premier Nakita Kruschev was arranged. The conference regarded improving relations with Earth, exchanging knowledge, and securing world and interplanetary peace, yet THE SOVIET GOVERNMENT REJECTED THE TERMS. This report originated from Sgt. Willard Wannall, formerly of Army Intelligence, who investigated U.F.O.s in Hawaii while in the military in the 1950s, and met with us while we were in the Department of Interplanetary Affairs research agency in the 1970s.

On April 24, 1964, an OVAL SHAPED metallic flying object landed in a farm field in Newark Valley in New York State, and two alien beings emerged from the estimated 20 foot long craft. Farmer, Gary Wilcox drove his tractor toward the object clearly VISIBLE ON A BRIGHT sunny day. The farmer kicked the metallic object to make sure it was real. The two occupants were about 4 feet high, and they CARRIED A SQUARE TRAY FULL of the different vegetables they had collected from his farm. Wilcox reported that when he confronted the beings stealing his crops, they said "don't be alarmed, we have spoken to people before."

Gary described the voices as being very strange. They wore white, metallic-looking OVERALLS WITHOUT SEAMS, stitching or pockets. He could not see their hands or feet. He could not see their other features beneath the full space-suits, which WE SPECULATED WERE PROTECTING these aliens from the Earth's atmosphere deadly to their race. As Wilcox became inquisitive, one of them stated, "We are from WHAT YOU KNOW as the planet Mars. We can only come to Earth every two years," and left a warning that Earth people should stay out of space. They said that they were STUDYING THE ORGANIC MATERIALS on Earth because of the rocky structure of Mars, and that they did not fly near our cities because they avoided the air pollution. The beings told Wilcox everything in monotone. HE ASKED IF HE COULD go with them and they rejected.

Wilcox gave the beings A BAG OF FERTILIZER and exchanged information about it and other subjects, before they entered the craft and took off. Wilcox was investigated by a psychiatrist and the sheriff department, who found him a normal, truthful person with no emotional problems, and they confessed they believed his UFO experience was real. In February 1972, United Nations diplomat Farida Iskiovet, who investigated UFOs and occupant contacts for the President of the General Assembly, TOLD ME AND MY DEPARTMENT AGENTS that she had been contacted by a landed spacecraft from the planet Mars. The reported contact took place in the Mojave Desert, in California, in 1971, and made the "front page" of the major Arizona newspaper the daily Arizona Republic.

This story also made the FRONT PAGE of the San Clemente Sun-Post in an article written by Fred Swegles, who COVERED PRESIDENT NIXON AND HIS STAFF at the Western Whitehouse. Farida stated that the alien offered to admit an ambassador to their interplanetary confederation in this solar system, in exchange FOR AN ALIEN AMBASSADOR to the General Assembly of the United Nations, in an attempt to re-establish diplomatic relations with Earth and other planets that had been suspended in ancient times due to hostility on Earth. However, the terms of THIS PEACE ARRANGEMENT WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE to the Security Council, and the exchange was rejected in a secret meeting.

Adam Malik, President of the United Nations, was in favor of the treaty and exchange and he was in CONTACT WITH us on this matter. Iskiovet and Malik were frustrated with U.N. attempts to block this exchange, so they came to us to help try to ESTABLISH A CIVILIAN COUNCIL to handle affairs between the people on Earth and the Interplanetary Confederation in this solar system.

The corporations and military-government interests that finance and control the U.N. did not accept the alien insistence on destroying all weapons, ending all wars, and ELIMINATING ALL POLLUTING FUELS, which are all the biggest bank accounts in the world. The most famous astronomers of the early twentieth century, including the great Percival Lovell, stated there were signs of intelligent life on Mars. They reported huge areas of green vegetation that expanded and contracted with the melting of the ice caps and the 4 seasons on Mars. In the 1950s, TEACHERS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS in America taught students that the temperature at the Martian equator was about 80 degrees. The man credited with inventing the radio, Marconi, published data that he believed he had received intelligent radio signals from Mars.”

“Buddha returns from a 10 day trip and so does Marvin. Inquiring minds want to know?

Marvin is the only troll out there that NO ONE ignores. The truth is out there.”

“I feel so much better now.

I needed a Marvin fix.”

“Me back too.


Still only got One Inch...”

“The ALTERNATIVE 3 astronauts landed on the Moon and built their own bases many years BEFORE the FIRST APOLLO ASTRONAUTS landed on the Moon in 1969, as the result of a SECRET TREATY BETWEEN the Pentagon and the Zetans. The Zetans helped the Department of Majority colonize the Moon with secret bases, and in exchange the Pentagon's Majority Department helped the ZETANS colonize the United States with their own SECRET UNDERGROUND BASES. The Pentagon decided that co-operating with the ZETANS was a better IDEA THAN BEING invaded!

The Zetans showed the Pentagon scientists how to CONSTRUCT NUCLEAR and mercury powered saucers, as well as space shuttles, rockets, and other N.A.S.A. technologym, that was inferior to the anti-gravity magnetic powered saucers of the Zetans and THUS AT A MILITARY DISADVANTAGE. OF COURSE, our Presidents did not want to go on the six o'clock news to talk about how they made a top secret treaty WITH A VIOLENT CONQUERING foreign planet that in the past nuked the Earth people! Not a bad reason for a big secret.

The Pentagon's secret saucers were also aided by captured NAZI rocket scientists who were testing saucers they got from the ZETAN instructors in 1944, when the Zetans had the NAZIS do their genetic experiments for them...much easier than abductions. THE PRIMITIVE SAUCERS, rockets, and shuttles of the pentagon insiders, often mistaken for REAL U.F.O.S, made it to the Moon and Mars.

In May 1962, a secret spacecraft from the Pentagon landed on Mars and video-taped it, and I have seen the actual video. It shows a MARTIAN LANDSCAPE far different than what N.A.S.A. showed us! Mars had canals, lakes, green vegetation, swamps, AND ANIMAL LIFE ON THE SURFACE, but N.A.S.A. the dis-information agency wants you to believe it is a dead world so you will not expect ET'S live there! They have never shown the public most of the 2,000 photos they promised us with VIKING I. When the first Apollo astronauts landed on our Moon in 1969, they were SHOCKED TO FIND it already inhabited. Thousands of Americans, Soviets, British, French, and Australians were ALREADY LIVING THERE! Astronauts who discovered too much truth and were considered security risks died in THOSE FAMOUS ACCIDENTS in the shuttle or on the launch pad, etc.

Have you ever wondered why the HUBBLE, the most expensive and expertise telescope ever invented, was flawed so it would not take the kinds of photos it should produce? Do you really believe ALL THOSE TECHNOLOGICAL EXPERTS from prestigious universities with billions of DOLLARS AT THEIR DISPOSAL could make such embarrassing idiot mistakes. Please, do not be so naive, if you so do. This was a planned accident because that telescope was too good. It would photograph things on THE MOON AND MARS and in orbit that the public astronomers are not supposed to see!

The footage of the American spacecraft landing on Mars BEFORE Apollo landed on the Moon leaked out in major public British TV for one evening, thanks to a SMUGGLING SCIENTIST, before it was Censored and never made it to America. British authorities tried to CALL IT A HOAX to cover-up the leak, but it was no hoax. The ONLY ASTRONAUT WHO HAS ever died outside of duty said it was the truth on video, and he was silenced. We have seen that interview too, as well as a SECRET VIDEO STEWING THE SCIENTIST who leaked that video being assassinated.

A book exposing ALTERNATIVE 3 appeared in 1976 and was quickly forced out of print. I have read it. You can't EVEN ORDER IT, and the printers will not issue a new release in spite of a huge demand! Very strange to turn down that big profit. NOT REALLY. On public FRANCE INTER TV on August 3rd, 1962, at 8:00 A.M., and also in the WEEKLY MAGAZINE Le Meilleur, was another leaked that was covered up fast. Alain Ayache reported "why has no one spoken of the mysterious message heard on the Moon---20 untranslatable words? Perhaps it proves that other men exist, something that N.A.S.A wished to hide...words which really sow the Seeds of panic. Everything was going well that day on our Moon, then at 11:15 an EXTRAORDINARY FADING OCCURRED AND CONTACT with Houston was lost. Worden, who was in charge of telecommunications, had his attention drawn by a breathing sound and a long whistle. A sentence was constantly repeated on one note., Varying from a small to a shrill tone, and from lightly stressed sounds to RAUCOUS EXCLAMATIONS. Luckily the transmission was recorded on Lem's tape recorder, and Worden transmitted it to N.A.S.A. Here are the 8 separate words ....... "MARA RABBI ALLARDI DINI ENDAVOUR ESA COUNS ALIM."

Why did the Berlin Wall Come down so suddenly and unexpectedly with the cold war ENDING AND ENEMIES becoming friends? Did President Reagan GIVE A CLUE at his speech at the 42nd session of the General General Assembly of the United Nations, on September 21, 1987, saying "in our obsessions with antagonisms of the moment, we often FORGET MUCH UNITES the members of all humanity. Perhaps we need some OUTSIDE universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think that HOW QUICKLY OUR DIFFERENCES world-wide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet I ask, "IS NOT AN ALIEN FORCE ALREADY AMONG US?" In Reagan's speech on December 4, 1985, he stated "if SUDDENLY THERE WAS A THREAT to this world from Some other species from another planet, we'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries." Soviet President Gorbachev publicly stated "At our meeting in Geneva, the U.S. President said that if the Earth faced an invasion by extraterrestrials, the U.S. and Soviet Union would join FORCES TO REPEL THE INVASION." (Feb. 6. 1987 in Soviet Life)


I ABSOLUTELY EMPHASIZE THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR OF THE ZETAN INVASION, AS THE UNITED CONFEDERATION OF PLANETS (the friendly aliens) plans to remove all of them from Earth in 2013!”

“Can aliens give me more than One Inch?

If they can, I believe in them!”

“It sure gets boring around here when those upper Ohio/Michigan hikers go off on a 10 day trip.”

“LOL! What a great thread. I think mason's have a special exemption here in the south and are allowed into churches as well as mason halls.”

“Chili, chill, dude. This is not a discussion for the internet, my Brother...







...but you're right, f_ck him...”

“I think it is very outrageos even for me with all the stuff that is being talked about here.

Hey I know I am not a normal person and I do talk about very insane things that get to some people but the stuff that is being talked about in this thread needs to be talked about somewhere else just like Father Goose said.

I hope Matts pulls this thread.

8|”

“You a travelling man, Mike?”

“Ya I love to travel!


8)”

“Ohio: with your Mason bashing, you have allied yourself with the most zealous and xenophobic of the violent Islamists and with many psychotic paranoids everywhere.

http://www.conspire.com/skeptic.html”

“So, in defense of cranks, I think that they can serve a useful purpose in our society. They keep the rest of us from getting too complacent, force us to consider the fringes of reason--which occasionally turn out to be the frontiers of thought. Sometimes, as William Burroughs has put it, "Paranoia means having all the facts."


Words to live by!

8)”

“I once knew a guy who had all the answers like our good friend the OH Hiker, here. But the guys with the butterfly nets came and took him away.”

“This thread is relavant why??”

“Another stupid thread from our resident paranoid, delusional moron. Where's his wet-dream partner, minstercreek to defend him and spew more stupid hatred?”

“I like that part, too CMB!”

“I do not agree with Freemasonry personally. It goes against my grain not only from a spiritual standpoint, but from the point of Masonic ties superceding the laws of our country, our states, and localities. I have a good friend who has known me the whole of my life. I think very highly of him. He watched me grow up, get married, have kids, etc. in the Southern Baptist church where we were both members all our lives. He became a Mason later in life and is quite proud of it, but doesn't make an issue of it. I love the guy like family and don't think less of him for his views. I am certainly in no position to judge. I guess what I don't understand about it is what bothers me most. I have watched a tv documentary which outlined several crimes where the judge, cop, lawyer, etc. were brother masons to a perp. The person got off scot free from whatever they'd supposedly done. Never went to trial even. THAT bothers me alot. Is this really true of Masonic orders? If all that is just made up, then it would improve my opinion of Masonry.”

“Slackers Unite!”

“why the hell does this matter or even exist on a backpacking board?”

“That's great stuff. I'm sure you're familiar with Discordianism...

HAIL ERIS!”

“THE FIVE COMMANDMENTS (THE PENTABARF)

The PENTABARF was discovered by the hermit Apostle Zarathud in the Fifth Year of The Caterpillar. He found them carved in gilded stone, while building a sun deck for his cave, but their import was lost for they were written in a mysterious cypher. However, after 10 weeks & 11 hours of intensive scrutiny he discerned that the message could be read by standing on his head and viewing it upside down.

KNOW YE THIS O MAN OF FAITH!

I - There is no Goddess but Goddess and She is Your Goddess. There is no Erisian Movement but The Erisian Movement and it is The Erisian Movement. And every Golden Apple Corps is the beloved home of a Golden Worm.

II - A Discordian Shall Always use the Official Discordian Document Numbering System.

III - A Discordian is Required during his early Illumination to Go Off Alone & Partake Joyously of a Hot Dog on a Friday; this Devotive Ceremony to Remonstrate against the popular Paganisms of the Day: of Catholic Christendom (no meat on Friday), of Judaism (no meat of Pork), of Hindic Peoples (no meat of Beef), of Buddhists (no meat of animal), and of Discordians (no Hot Dog Buns).

IV - A Discordian shall Partake of No Hot Dog Buns, for Such was the Solace of Our Goddess when She was Confronted with The Original Snub.

V - A Discordian is Prohibited of Believing what he reads.

IT IS SO WRITTEN! SO BE IT. HAIL DISCORDIA! PROSECUTORS WILL BE TRANSGRESSICUTED.”

“why the hell does this matter or even exist on a backpacking board?"
werm

if masons backpack, they're ok by me. otherwise i don't really care. don't ask, don't tell, i always say....

me grandaddy is a mason, he was worshipfull master one time. i went to the ceromony. it was a big deal for him. i know nothing about it and he's never felt the need to tell me about it so i guess everybodies happy....

have a nice day...”

“Ohiohiker, you SEEMED like the sane one bashing on Oskar on the "other side." So did they boot you? What's your problem? Who will you take your next potshot at? And why?”

“He got a-hold of a bad clam and hasn't been the same since.”

“Forget slack. Ohio Hacker needs more fiber in his diet.”

“lmao tilt....noooooooo coment...”