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“I just noticed that the person? who started this thread only posted the first one, and we filled up 51 responses. Guess we bit hard.”
“I don't really care. All I know is that the masons who laid the brick on my house did an excellent job. Even if they are Christians they did a hell of a job.”
“Chili, since this seems to be a bit of an argument between you and ohiohiker, I ask you to state your case by actually quoting from the Freemasons tenants and christian tennants. You have stated that most everything about the masons is found in the bible. Please quote the tenants and where they are located in the Bible.
Inquiring minds want to know. Really, I am interested as to where this is going.
Just an observation: About the only dialect so far amounts to I am right, I am right. There is nothing along the lines of " my position is supported by the statements on Page ___ of the Bible".
I'd like to see some dialogue here.”
I'm Going Out On A Limb Here
“I have this sneaking suspicion that...(drum roll please) most Masons ARE Christians.”
Masons ARE NOT Christians?????
“Just cause a person is a brick layer for a living don't mean he can't believe in God.”
“Eris is very american goddess and important to our economy.
Without her, consumerism would be "cosumm" - which sounds like algebraic gibberish. (which, without eris would be "gibbh" - now there's a deep thought for you).
For those of you who may be wondering, http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread.php?id=5228&q=nav&age=-1" target="_blank"> Who is Eris?
(still a fine thread, despite the inevitable degeneration)”
“I think most Masons at the lower levels are good christians and don't view their organization as a religion. It's more like a social club. Once you get up there to the spooky levels (33rd degree) that things start getting serious.
I do find it funny that a catholic would be throwing accusations of paganism on another group. The catholic church has it's own pagan roots.”
“I'm going to chime in and add my 2 pennies here. I don't profess to know a lot about the Masons even though my father was one. For some reason, he heardly ever talked about them. And I guess, growing up, for some reason I never questioned it much except to know that it was a frateernal organization dedicated to civic and family type values. I remember he used to get a magazine called the Empire State Mason in the mail regularly. I come from a Jewish family and my Dad was a practicing man of the Jewish faith. Masons are from diverse religious backgrounds and are dedicated to ceertain principles. So, Ohio Hikers sick approach to this whole thread seems way out of kilter from the get go. Here's a web page with a few concise details about the Masons...
Our "resident delusional moron"
here are a few principles, cut and paste style
Who Are The Masons?
Masons (also known as Freemasons) belong to the oldest and largest fraternal organization in the world. Today, there are more than two million Freemasons in North America. Masons represent virtually every occupation and profession, yet within the Fraternity, all meet as equals. Masons come from diverse political ideologies, yet meet as friends. Masons come from varied religious beliefs and creeds, yet all believe in one God.
Many of North America's early patriots were Freemasons. Thirteen signers of the Constitution and fourteen Presidents of the United States, including George Washington, were Masons. In Canada, the Father of the Confederation, Sir John A. MacDonald, was a Mason, as were other early Canadian and American leaders.
One of the most fascinating aspects of Freemasonry is how so many men, from so many different walks of life, can meet together in peace, always conducting their affairs in harmony and friendship and calling each other "Brother."
What Is Freemasonry?
Freemasonry (or Masonry) is dedicated to the Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of God. It uses the tools and implements of ancient architectural craftsmen symbolically in a system of instruction designed to build character and moral values in its members. Its singular purpose is to make good men better. Its bonds of friendship, compassion, and brotherly love have survived even the most divisive political, military, and religious conflicts through the centuries. Freemasonry is a fraternity which encourages its members to practice the faith of their personal acceptance. Masonry teaches that each person, through self-improvement and helping others, has an obligation to make a difference for good in the world.
Several Masonic Principles Are:
Faith must be the center of our lives.
All men and women are the children of God.
No one has the right to tell another person what he or she must think or believe.
Each person has a responsibility to be a good citizen, obeying the law.
It is important to work to make the world a better place for all.
Honor and integrity are keys to a meaningful life.”
“I don't see any requirements concerning Christianity in there at all...”
“OH my LOrd OHioHIker Im' am beginninng to think You are the jCrazy Personage that these an other Persons think You also are .
If You could consider the so-called book the holy Bible to be any thing more than an other sack of mubmo-jumbo than Your'e so-called ' ancient-satnic-mysteries ' then You must to be a Crazy Personage.
Please be careful with Your'e thoughts.”
“I once had a relative ask me if I ever thought of becoming a Mason. I said "Hell ya! Those guys money twice what I make" and I was serious! I thought he was talking about beinga brick layer. I think I might have offended him......LOL!”
“Hey Tree. My dad is a Mason and an Lutheran. He never really talks about the brotherhood, but I did witness the good work done by Masons for the community. I do remember him saying once that a Mason will not seek out members to add to the brotherhood. Not even their own sons. If someone is interested in joining the Masons, that person must make the first step. Interesting.”
“That is interesting, CD. I often think about the way my Dad didn't talk about that and wondered why. Maybe that reasoning was the key...
...BTW, welcome back! Hope it was a good trip...”
“Thanks Tree. No turtle babies hatched while I was there, but it was fun to hang out with the turtle people.”
“I really don't know what to think about all this, and never really researched it. Got curious and searched and found a site, hope it includes info for everyone.
Not sure, but I think it's more ani then pro... I'm kinda confused about it. Seams like I saw ani and pro pages. Name of the site though is anti-masonry. Hmm.
Just remember, I am not either one. I ain't getting into the middle of this one. Actually don't care either, to each one his own.”
“Doesn't really affect me either, Gem. Just being that my Dad was one, I thought I would throw my observations into the ring...”
“woooooo, a secret society! i don't give a crap if they're Christians, but let's hear about the spooky 33rd level! please??”
“It looks like the lodge doesn’t even try to be a christian organization and for good reason. While they do believe in a Supreme Being they do not identify Him.
“Freemasonry certainly requires a belief in the existence of, and man’s dependence upon, a Supreme Being, to whom he is responsible . What can a church add to that, except to bring into one fellowship those who have like feelings?…That is exactly what the Lodge does.” (95:512 Masonic Encyclopedia).
But at the same time they state that…
“Men have to decide weather they want a G-d like the ancient Hebrew Jahweh, a partisan tribal god, with whom they can talk and argue and from whom they can hide if necessary, or a boundless, eternal, universal Divine Spirit, so vastly removed from the speck called man, that he can not be known, named or approached. So soon as man begins to laud his god and endow him with the most perfect human attributes such as justice, mercy, beneficence, etc., the Divine Essence is depreciated and despoiled…The Masonic test is a Supreme Being, and any qualification added is an innovation and distortion…monotheism…violates Masonic principles, for it requires belief in a specific kind of Supreme Deity.” 95:516-17 Masonic Encyclopedia).
Why would they take such a stand?
“The religion of Freemasonry is not sectarian. It admits men of every creed within it’s hospitable bosom, rejecting none and approving none for his peculiar faith. It is not Judaism, though there is nothing in it to offend the Jew; it is not Christianity, but there is nothing in it repugnant to the faith of a Christian. It’s religion is that general one of nature and primitive revelation handed down to us from some ancient and patriarchal priesthood- in which no men can differ.” (96,II:847-48 Mackey’s Revised Encyclopedia of Freemasonry).
It appears to take the stance of an all inclusive organization and they do not seem to require a specific belief other than that they believe in a Supreme Being of their chosen faith. While I do believe their practices are something I would not part take in they do seem pretty clear as to where they stand on religion.
What would a world without Masons be like? Burned up children suffering and boring a$$ parades devoid of big fat old guys in tiny clown cars. They have their place and value to our modern society! LOL!”
“I think those are the Shriners, Nigal...”
“I believe the Shrinners are a part of the Lodge though. Who every the hell they are they make me laugh out loud! 8P”
“"woooooo, a secret society! i don't give a crap if they're Christians, but let's hear about the spooky 33rd level! please??"
The 33rd degree masons are the highest order of degree one can attain. Because of their level of secrecy they are viewed as an ultra powerful group of privileged individuals who are akin to the Illuminati that are seeking to rule the world. Granted there are some very powerful men who have been 33rd’s like Bush Sr. who took his presidential oath on the Masonic bible (He was also a member of the ultr-spooky Skull and Bones club at Yale), but I think in the end they are regular Masons who get the best seats at the lodge and a cooler ring.
From the link given above:
They seem to actually debunk the negative claims of the antis.”
“YEAH, I want one of those little Mustang convertibles!
“well, why do they only let men in? i'd like to be ultra-powerful and rule the world! but a cool ring would be good too.”
“You should start your own cult, lyra! I'll join!”
Lyra: Do you prefer red or purple Kool Aid?
Unwitting cult member: Oh puplre please. the red will clash with my purple death shroud and purple Nikes."”
“Well Lyra, if it's any consolation, when a Mason dies, he is buried in a really funky skirt. It's true!”
“ROCK! no Kool Aid...fresh-squeezed carrot juice with obey-me serum in it. yum!”
“There's a dirty joke in there somewhere, but I'll just let it go...”
“But what about the Oddfellows?”
““obey-me serum “
Is this some kind of euphemism for “baby batter” or “man spackle”? Either way, I’ll pass!”
“Ah, Nigal is picking up my slack, I see....”
“eewwww, "man spackle," LOL!! i'll have to remember to use that one...”
“Lyra, your society can have it's own theme song too...
Hey Hey we're the monkeys
And people say we monkey around...”
“Root juice, #&%!$cillin...”
“I don't believe this...p eniscillin...”
“Nice to see that this thread has taken a more constructive direction. And after all, it's all about Lyra, right?”
“Manchowder. That's the one they had to cut out of "American Pie".”
“LMAO @ yous-guys!”
“Let's see if this one works:
“I found an interesting site on the relationship between Shriners and other Masons. Basically, once people have finished their 3 first degrees - they can join the Shriners, York Rite Masons, or Scottish Rite Masons.
By coincidence, my son is fascinated by Masons. There happens to be an open house at the Lodge near me and I promised to take him (he just turned 17, so I gather he couldn't join a Lodge even if he wanted to).
“I've long been interested in the connections between Masonry and the French and American revolutions.
I remember reading how American Masons saw themselves as guardians of the American revolution and they flourished after independence. For a number of reasons, including a murder and cover-up in the state of New York (early 19th century) that involved local officials who were Masons - Masonry fell in disrepute. There was even an anti-masonic political party in the US. If I remember correctly, there were prominent political figures who came out of that party. If I remember correctly, the anti-masons won Vermont in the 1932 presidential election and weren't too far under 10% of the vote nationwide.
Here is a very brief history with links:
http://www.1upinfo.com/encyclopedia/A/AntiMaso.html (the link gave me the correct year for the election, but doesn't give results)”
Freemasonry a Christian Organization, I think not.
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China: China's Top Cop Says He Sees Cooperation With Triad Gangs - 08/04/93
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'It is not difficult to ruin a man,' he said. 'And I will tell you how it is done time and again. There are more than half a million brethren under the jurisdiction of Grand Lodge. Standards have been falling for twenty or thirty years. It is too easy to enter the Craft, so many men of dubious morals have joined. The secrecy and power attract such people, and when they come the decent leave. The numbers of people who would never have been considered for membership in the fifties are getting larger all the time. If only five per cent of Freemasons use - abuse - the Craft for selfish or corrupt ends it means there are 25,000 of them. The figure is much closer to twelve or thirteen per cent now.'
Christopher explained that Masonry's nationwide organization of men from most walks of life provided one of the most efficient private intelligence networks imaginable. Private information on anybody in the country could normally be accessed very rapidly through endless permutations of masonic contacts - police, magistrates, solicitors, bank managers, Post Office staff ('very useful in supplying copies of a man's mail'), doctors, government employee bosses of firms and nationalized industries etc., etc. dossier of personal data could be built up on anybody very quickly. When the major facts of an individual's life were known, areas of vulnerability would become apparent. Perhaps he is in financial difficulties; perhaps he has some social vice - if married he might 'retain a mistress' or have proclivity for visiting prostitutes; perhaps there is something in his past he wishes keep buried, some guilty secret, a criminal offence (easily obtainable through Freemason police of doubtful virtue), or other blemish on his character: all these and more could be discovered via the wide-ranging masons network of 600,000 contacts, a great many of whom were disposed to do favours for one another because that had been their prime motive for joining. Even decent Masons could often be 'conned' into providing information on the basis that 'Brother Smith needs this to help the person involved'. The adversary would even sometimes be described as a fellow Mason to the Brother from whom information was sought perhaps someone with access to his bank manager or employer. The 'good' Mason would not go to the lengths of checking with Freemasons Hall whether or not this was so. The 'target' was presented as a Brother in distress by a fellow Mason, especially a fellow Lodge member, that would be enough for any upright member of the Craft.
Sometimes this information gathering process - often involving a long chain of masonic contacts all over the country and possibly abroad - would be unnecessary. Enough would be known in advance about the adversary to initiate any desired action against him.
I asked how this 'action' might be taken.
'Solicitors are very good at it,' said Christopher. 'Get your man involved in something legal - it need not be serious - and you have him.' Solicitors, I was told, are 'past masters' at causing endless delays, generating useless paperwork, ignoring instructions, running up immense bills, misleading clients into taking decisions damaging to themselves.
Masonic police can harass, arrest on false charges, and plant evidence. 'A businessman in a small community or person in public office arrested for dealing in child pornography, for indecent exposure, or for trafficking in drugs is at the end of the line,' said Christopher. 'He will never work again. Some people have committed suicide after experiences of that kind.'
Masons can bring about the situation where credit companies and banks withdraw credit facilities from individual clients and tradesmen, said my informant. Bank can foreclose. People who rely on the telephone for their work can be cut off for long periods. Masonic employees of local authorities can arrange for a person's drains to be inspected and extensive damage to be reported, thus burdening the person with huge repair bills; workmen carrying out the job can 'find' - In reality cause - further damage. Again with regard to legal matters, a fair hearing is hard to get when a man in ordinary circumstances is in financial difficulties. If he is trying to fight a group of unprincipled Freemasons skilled in using the 'network' it will be impossible because masonic Department of Health and Social Security and Law Society officials can delay applications for Legal Aid endlessly.
'Employers, if they are Freemasons or not, can be given private information about a man who has made himself an enemy of Masonry. At worst he will be dismissed or consistently passed over for promotion.'
Christopher added, 'Masonic doctors can also be used. But for some reason doctors seem to be the least corruptible men.
'Only the fighters have any hope of beating the system once it's at work against them,' he told me. 'Most people, fighters or not, are beaten in the end, though. It's . . . you see, I ... you finish up not knowing who you can trust. You can get no help because your story sounds so paranoid that you are thought a crank, one of those nuts who think the whole world is a conspiracy against them. It is a strange phenomenon. By setting up a situation that most people will think of as fantasy, these people can poison every part of a person's life. If they give in they go under. If they don't give in It's only putting off the day because if they fight, so much unhappiness will be brought to the people around them that there will likely come a time when even their families turn against them out of desperation. When that happens and they are without friends wherever they look, they become easy meat. The newspapers will not touch them'.
'There is no defence against an evil which only the victims and the perpetrators know exists.'
Senior Whitehall Civil Servant and Freemason
Quoted in Stephen Knight's The Brotherhood
Stephen Knight died suddenly, just 18 months after the publication of 'The Brotherhood'.
The cause of death was listed as a cerebral tumor.
He was 33.
A very brave man
May he rest in peace
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Dear Freemasons, Witches, Ascended Masters, and other New Age "adepts",
Thinking of "straightening us out" about G-d, Messiah, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Hiram Abiff, Jahbulon, the coming New Age of "Light", and how stupid and mislead us Bible and Torah believers are?
From: Freemasonry Watch
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001
Subject: Re: masonry
YOU were the one to say that "Satan is good", therefore that makes YOU the Satanist.
Get it? Probably not.
All occultists like Satanists, Witches, Goddess Worshippers, Maitreya Channelers, Theosophists, and Freemasons say the same thing about Satan and Lucifer: "Satan doesn't exist", "Lucifer is not Satan", "Even if Satan did exist he is good", "Satan is doing God's will", "Satan does not oppose God", and "Lucifer is the Holy Spirit".
Do you think you are the first New Age World Order occult wacko to e-mail me the above "revelations"?
You all start off with playing silly cut and paste and deletion games, then deny your organization has any teachings contrary to Christianity or God(Jehova, the one you say is the bringer of darkness who is opposing Lucifer-Samael, the bringer of light.) in it, then switch to providing bizarre re-interpretatons of biblical verse.
Well here are some other snippets from the Bible which you might want to consider as they completely contradict your "ascended masters".
THE RETURN OF THE SEVENTY-TWO
The seventy-two men came back in great joy, "Lord," the said, "even the demons obeyed us when we commanded them in your name!"
Jesus answered them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Listen! I have given you authority, so that you can walk on snakes and scorpions, and over all the power of the Enemy, and nothing will hurt you. But don't be glad because the evil spirits obey you; rather be glad because your names are written in heaven."
Here's another link for you from a Jewish Perspecitive that will explain what you are involved in:
The Rainbow Swastika, A Report to the Jewish People about New Age Anti-Semitism
Quite simply you only think you understand what you are involved in. You are being mislead by non-human forces.
God(The one who isn't the serpent of "wisdom" Lucifer-Samael) Bless,
P.S. Hiram Abiff wasn't the Messiah, and Jesus Christ wasn't a Freemason.
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“I love this ignore feature. It like knowing OH's lights are on, but nobody is home.”
“You don't need an ignore button to know that, chili. It's axiomatic.”
“Chili just can't refute solid facts that's all.”
“First we have PEOPLE being ABDUCTED - you know, taken against their will, men, women, CHILDREN. People are removed from their homes, cars or whatever and TAKEN AGAINST THEIR WILLS. That in itself is hostile enough. Have we become SO COMPLACENT IN OUR RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, freedom and individual choice that mere abductions CAN BE SEEN as anything less than hostile?
If abductions are not hostile, then let's just GO AROUND ABDUCTING ANYBODY we want. Hey, I saw this cute woman jogging down the street the other day so I'll just go abduct HER! If aliens and governments have the right to do it, so do we. Oh, and we CAN JUST LOOK the other way when our children are abducted by non-parental rights parents and strangers. Abductions are not hostile so why worry? Who cares if BEINGS OF UNKNOWN ORIGIN take our loved ones, our CHILDREN and subject them to all kinds of examinations we wouldn't even let our family physician PERFORM AND EXPERIMENTS that may lead to some kind of disease or cancer or God knows what. They are just ABDUCTING people. Nothing HOSTILE about that.
Oh and cattle mutilations? Heck, I NEED HAMBURGER FOR THE NEXT 6 MONTHS so I will just go out in the pasture behind my house and grab me a cow, butcher it and stuff it in THE FREEZER (gonna need a bigger ice box!). Nothing wrong with that. If aliens CAN DO IT AND IT'S NO problem, then so can I! I'm SURE THE RANCHERS won't mind. Nothing hostile about that.
Why NOT MIND control, implants and manipulating human reproduction and DNA to produce hybrids?! Heck, they JUST WANT to be "one of us" so let's just welcome them with open arms. WE'LL OVERLOOK ALL THE ABDUCTIONS, experimentation on humans and the fact that they never asked us permission to USE us for their agendas. No problem. Nothing hostile about that.
Awwww, those cute little grey guys with the big, sad-eyed LOOK JUST WANT OUR MINDS, bodies and souls so let 'em have anything they want. They look so cute on T-shirts and my iguana loves her STUFFED ALIEN DOLL! We'll just ignore all those people who CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED all their lives - since childhood - and FORCED to undergo all kinds of unspeakable acts at the hands of those cute little guys. We will forget the HUMAN mutilations and pilots who lost their LIVES TRYING TO CHASE these vehicles VIOLATING OUR AIR SPACE. Nothing hostile about that.
So THEY ARE abducting people, mutilating them and cattle and violating our air space, what's so bad about that? As long as it's just a few CHILDREN, a few people, A FEW COWS HERE AND THERE, no problem. They haven't zapped us out of existence yet so they must not MEAN US any harm. Why, the lack of aggressions on their part must mean THEY WANT ONLY HARMONY, peace and light! That's it! They've come to enlighten us by subjecting unwilling humans to TRAUMATIC experimentation, mind scans, implantation and involuntary pregnancies. Sure. Makes sense! They are not hostile, they just want to bring us to THEIR level. Then WE CAN GO TO OTHER worlds or dimensions and abduct people, MUTILATE THEIR BODIES and their cattle (if they have bodies and cattle) and perform experiments against their wills. Won't it be wonderful to be so "enlightened"?!!
And once they GET USE TO IT and put our faces on T-shirts, coffee mugs and underwear, we'll move in and turn them into US. And they will become ENLIGHTENED and go out and abduct people ON OTHER PLANETS or dimensions and.....
What a great way to SPREAD PEACE, HARMONY AND LOVE throughout the universe.”
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