Bush’s War on the Environment

“http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/06/20060615-6.html

President Bush Establishes Northwestern Hawaiian Islands National Monument ”

“Thats fine although amounts to nothing other than semantics because the area was already protected

plus since the 'quano merchants' no longer ply their trade there, no entrepreneurs will be offended.

Lets see him do the same for ANWR and the National Forest and BLM 'Roadless Areas' for which Clinton provided permanent? protection only to have Bush overturn the designation.”

“Bush could single-handledly save every species on the planet and you guys would complain.

Your post is just semantics b/c Bush isn't destroying ANWR, so it's the same condition now as under Clinton.”

“Did Bush capture the environment's leader yet? Hardy har har...”

“No, Bush has not been allowed to trash ANWR yet, but he has stated his desire to be allowed to allow the trashing of ANWR>”

“That's one reason we voted for me.

Accept it and move on.”

“I heard an NPR story about a guy who, back in the crunch in the 70s, bought a huge chunk of land in the Utah mountains because of the oil shale there. But he was left out in the cold when OPEC capitulated and has been sitting on this land ever sense. Now that the price of oil makes it feasible to extract the oil shale without losing money he is looking to open up the land. They said there is more oil in the shale in Utah and Nevada than there is under Saudi Arabia.”

“There is a lot of oil locked-up in the shale in the Rocky Mountains and a lot in the tar sands of Alberta.

Both are expensive to extract. In Alberta, for complete extraction, the plan is to remove and process the top 30' of soil over an area the size of the state of Florida!

The Rocky Mountain oil shale would require more fresh water to exploit, over a short period of time, than exists in North America and would involve the moving (or hollowing out the inside of) of entire mountain ranges.

Still, the shale and tar sand contain easily 100 times the oil that can be had from ANWR, so why trash ANWR?
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“I think when we look at the huge leaps that have been made in oil extraction, such as horizontal drilling, the impact can be much less than in the past. But even as I want ANWAR exploited, it is a band aid that would take years and years to put on. I wonder what the outcome would be if we took the money it would take to harvest the ANWAR oil and applied that to alternative sources. I saw an amazing video about a guy here in Ohio who perfected the process for making hydrogen from water at such a rate that the fuel output was hundreds of times more than the power it takes to make it.”

“For me, the problem with developing ANWR is the tens of thousands of tons of metal from drilling rigs, production facilities and pipelines that will be left to rust forever there after the relatively small amount of oil is harvested.

Sure, all that trash could be removed and the 2,000,000 affected acres rehabilitated

which would probably overall double the costs of what was extracted there.

I wonder if any oil company would want such a development where they were assigned with the task of completely erasing their foottracks after they finished?”

“The Corps aren't there to do anything other than extend the addiction to oil. Clean up is taxpayers work.”

“GIANT SEQUOIA WINS COURT PROTECTION

Judge Rules Against Bush Administration Logging Plan

August 22, 2006

San Francisco, CA – A federal judge today ruled that the Bush administration's controversial plan to allow commercial logging in Giant Sequoia National Monument is illegal. The Sierra Club and other conservation groups celebrated the decision and urged the Bush administration to restore and protect the Giant Sequoia National Monument with the same standard of care given to neighboring Sequoia National Park.

http://www.sierraclub.org/ca/sequoia/Monument/
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“LOL...and how many police officers do the Judge have? ZIP ZERO NADA....HEY there are thousands of baseball bats needing to be made.”

“Wooden baseball bats are most commonly made with white ash (at least in the US)

and there's many white ash trees most of which are less than 100 years old

whereas there are few giant sequoia trees, many of which are thousands of years old.

If a 3500 year old sequoia tree is cut down, how long will it be until a seedling planted in its place will be 3,500 years old?
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“I am guessing 3500 years or more? wow...so that area of Rain Forest I clear cut to get the table made....bad idea right?”

“Sequoias grow in the Sierras, not really a rain forest, in fact almost desert at the base of the mountains with more moisture up on the higher slopes.”

“Oh I knew that...thats why I was going after mahogany. How many are left?”

“All the furniture manufacture in the world will not terribly ravage the equatorial rainforest. The real destruction there results from the slash and burn agricultural land clearing campaigns.

And, you are correct about that Judge, his ruling is not necassarily the final say so long as the White House desires otherwise.
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“Lone...can you name a FAMOUS Supreme Court decision that was "overturned" by a President?”