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not for the faint of heart...
In furhtering my knowledge of Middle Earth, I stumbled upon this website. Mr. Martinez has a sharped edge analysis upon many subject within and about Arda.

This type of study is not for the casual fan. It will only serve to deepen the confusuion for many except for the Tolkien scholars. If you didn't like the books, then don't go to this website...but there are many out there who will enjoy the readings and what they represent...ongoing and continuing debate as to the signifigance of the books and the woeld that Tolkien created.

There are those that are even more commited to the lore of Middle Earth then me. surprise surprise. I walk not alone upon the green fields of the Pellnor, or upon the trackless paths of Middle Earth...I'm delighted...I know what Im doing tonight.

see ya 'round the corner'.

enjoy link
stikmon
4:22:43 PM
10/02/03

Stikmon...I am still waiting to hear what Dunadan means........( still tapping foot)......
divinity
4:24:51 PM
10/02/03

Well, I'm glad that you're not asking Violin or Lyra what Dunadan means.
Dunadan
4:30:20 PM
10/02/03

I know who they are but not what the word means.......
divinity
4:32:17 PM
10/02/03

Tilt
4:35:19 PM
10/02/03

Actually its spellt
Dunedain. and means Me from Westerneese. they were the decended from the Edain, of the First Age of Sun. The Edain were rewarded and honored by the Valar, and given a land that lay in the Western Sea, between Middle Earth and the Undying lands. this place was called Numenore or in the common speach, Westernesse. Many tales are told of the Dunedain and how the grew to be a mighty race, but, eventually they grew full of themselves and became jealous of those that lived in the Undying Lands, the Valar and the Eldar (those elves that chose to heed the call of the Valar and come to Aman).

The greatest of the Dunedain were known as the Elendili (the Faithful). Of the Elendili, Elindil was the leader and his son Anarion and Isildur created and built The City of Gondor and were its first Kings. During the Great battle, Elendil, Anarion and Gil-Galad (the high Elvin King) were slain by Morgoth. Narsil, the great sword of Elendil (a gift from Gil-Galad) was shattered and with the shards, Isildur cut off the fingers and ring of Morgoth and so ended that battle. Elrond-halfelvin, led Isildur to the heart of Angband, Mt Doom, and implored Isildur to throw the ring into the flames from whence it came. Isildur, refused and set into motion what you know now.
stikmon
8:40:03 PM
10/02/03

Well put Stikmon!


8)
Crazy Mike Backpacks
8:43:24 PM
10/02/03

sorry a typo...
Men of Westernesse. (not ME)
stikmon
8:44:57 PM
10/02/03

A must read for all LOTR fans.

Lord of the Rings- Secret Diaries
PackMonkey
8:47:09 PM
10/02/03

ya like that do ya mike...
lol...tales of ancient times.
stikmon
8:48:35 PM
10/02/03



My favorite single excerpt from LOTR:

"Thus passed the sword of the barrow downs, work of Westernesse. But glad would he have been to know its fate, who wrought it slowly long ago in the Land of the North, when the Dunadain were young, and chief among their foes was the dread ream of Angmar and its sorcerer king. For no other sword, though mightier hands had wielded it, could have dealt that foe a wound so bitter, cleaving the undead flesh, and breaking the spell that knit his unseen sinews to his will."

I don't have Return of the King here to confirm my quote, but I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

The irony of the circumstances surrounding the little history given above is deep - it was a long time before I realized just how deep. Tolkien was a genius...

Forrest
8:58:37 PM
10/02/03



"...dread realm..."

Forrest
8:59:39 PM
10/02/03

got the...
realm part. right, genius...in that one paragraph...tolkien takes the reader on a journey back to the first age of sun for a glimpse of the memories and legends of what were.
stikmon
9:23:58 PM
10/02/03

Thanks Stikmon...it has been sooo long since I read any of the history.......and you are wonderful with words....are you a storyteller also??
divinity
9:51:29 PM
10/02/03

my therapist. used to say...
she really looked forward to my sessions...she liked my stories...

but, i got some candy for ya lil girl if ya wanna hear a storrrryyyyy...LOL...
stikmon
9:56:30 PM
10/02/03

A couple of images I ran scross yesterday which may be of interest….








Narsil?

http://www.tolkientown.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=699 " TARGET="_blank">





(as it might have appeared before
the siege of Barad-dűr, I suppose)








http://www.tolkientown.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=28_51&products_id=749" TARGET="_blank">
Tilt
10:05:17 PM
10/02/03

pretty sword...
and I own that poster, and many others.
stikmon
11:35:24 PM
10/02/03

I don't have that one but I do have the large poster map circa 1974... You know, the one that matched the Ballantine cover illustrations of that time, the ones with the Black Riders and the pointy black birds around the borders.

It was pretty strange the first time I read the Trilogy. I was at the home of some people I didn't know over Labor Day Weekend, 1973. I pulled a marathon reading session and finished the last two books. When I returned to school on Monday evening I learned that J.R.R.T. has passed on sometime over the weekend... thirty years ago, last month.
Tilt
12:17:56 AM
10/03/03

my first reading
was in 78. by 80, I had read it 6 times and owned 4 years worth of calendars 76 thru 80. i've been collecting the calendars ever since...I miss the Brothers Hildebrandt.

LOTR has effected my life in so many diferent ways, including total inspiration for my art and craft...hiking and walking sticks. My love of hiking and backpacking stems from the books...good influence for sure. I even have a wizards staff that will be turned over to the Tolkien family, upon my death. Photo's and correspondence were sent many years ago. It commemorates the 3 Laments to Gandalf, that Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli made after the Fall at the Bridge of Khazad Dum. Took me over 2 years to complete. I have a lovely letter, hand written by Christoper Tolkien, saying how much he liked the peice and would be proud to add it to the family collection. I have it written in my will, to where it will go.

There aren't many things that I can say that I created are perfect, but this was one of my finest creations. Much magic went into it.

yes...JRRT and his writing are very important to me, for sure.
stikmon
12:35:12 AM
10/03/03

okay we are in debt on the DVD!
Truth be told I have the DVD from
Columbia House, still to be paid for. Have viewed it multiple times and have the first as well. Raised my now 17 y.o. son on books by tolkien
and he is now waiting for the next movie. The way they have put it to film is just beyond everything in terms of fantasy drama cinimatography. Sorry if I lost some of you! Wow! Too bad you are still a solitary with canine companion, Stikmon, hope you still aspire to mentorship. So many talents to appreciate!
rocksee
1:43:44 AM
10/03/03

I was introduced to JRR by my ex and I loved the books... I try to read them once a year...my in laws got my ex the calendars every year for Christmas....I absolutely loved the Hildebrant Brothers...I think of all the calendars those were the best......
divinity
5:37:25 AM
10/03/03

ooooooh... The first calendar I got was illustrated by the man himself... 1974? I remember 'the Death of Smaug' was a drawing in pencil. I took it apart to hang the individual scenes around my dorm room, but I've still got them somewhere!
Tilt
6:04:03 AM
10/03/03

Good grief, of all the useless things to learn in minutia.
Mutt
7:59:22 AM
10/03/03

OMG youre all FREAKS!
Free24
8:03:27 AM
10/03/03

Like he said, Dunadan means "Bad Mo Fo".
Dunadan
8:21:36 AM
10/03/03

Geeee, Muttley, I wonder what's behind that [+]... NOT, LOL

Wanna doggie biscuit? Perhaps a morsel of lembas? no?
Tilt
8:55:07 AM
10/03/03

Tilt, you are indeed one person I figured would make use of the ineffectual pu$$y button. LOL. What an effeminate wimp!
Mutt
8:56:23 AM
10/03/03

"OMG youre all FREAKS!"
Free24
08:03:27 AM
10/03/03

Quiet child, the adults are talking. ;)
StoveStomper
9:01:55 AM
10/03/03

Hey i know what lambas is!!!! :) (i feel so proud...)
Free24
9:10:19 AM
10/03/03

A nun turned me on to the trilogy
which I read the summer I passed
6th grade. I read them again in high school
Further down the road, I'm a team
leader of a six man scout team.

Radio Call sign was
"Elfskin"
Elfskin2
9:12:46 AM
10/03/03

L E M B A S!, Free.
StoveStomper
9:15:01 AM
10/03/03

Im not clicking on that! I dont want that dumb virus thingy to make my computer freeze lol
Free24
9:17:28 AM
10/03/03

FREE24, that hurt!
I'M NOT VIOLIN!
I think I WILL email you and tell you about Bacon Rings.
StoveStomper
9:19:41 AM
10/03/03

You wouldnt dare :P
Free24
9:20:46 AM
10/03/03

Go easy on the nitrates... LOL
Tilt
9:22:32 AM
10/03/03

In the 70's my cb handle was "Evenstar" and my ex's was "Strider"
divinity
9:46:26 AM
10/03/03

My wife and I read the 4 books in the mid-70s. A lot of guys in the industrial engineering department were reading them and the topic of conversation each morning was Middle Earth.

When my son was born in 1977 I wanted to name him Aragorn. My wife wouldn't go for it.

When UC Irvine was built in the 60s and 70s they named the undergraduate residence complex after people & places in Middle Earth.
Phil
10:36:48 AM
10/03/03

hey stove...
that is AWSOME!!! thanks for that link...I know what I'll be cookin up this weekend...for sure...I'm gonna make a large supply to get ready for backpackin season.

Thank you...

and yes...adult conversation, for sure...

yeah, bad mo fo, but, Dunadan....you need to correct the spelling.

Mutt, useless, maybe...uninteresting, never.

The Tombes are so deep, that one can get volumes out of them...To hike and pack into wilderness is to enter into a different conscienceness. Here's a question for you, and a serious one, not flip...Why do you hike and backpack? and what do you feel when you do?

Lets discuss this thought and see where the tangent takes us.
stikmon
10:41:30 AM
10/03/03

hey phil...
that is awsome...I've driven through the country and passes plenty of nice homes that have signposts by the road that say "rivendel" or Lothlorien on them...that is so totally cool. These books have effected so many people in so many different ways, it is awsomely cool.

Look how many people have taken "handles" that stem from the Rings...Strider, Dunadan, Treebeard, Elfskin2, Radagast, Sauron, Hobbit...the list goes on.

Sometimes when I hike through a swampy area, I imagine that I am walking through the Dead Marshes, adn that I can see Kings of Old, that have passed before me. The sense of adventure and mystery is never out of my mind. I took a photo in RMNP and it sooo reminded me of the Fellowship as they exited Khazad Dum, after the Fall of Gandalf. Heree it is.
Remember when Aragorn kind of stepped aside to glimpse the lake. In the books that is a very significant scene. Actually, it is Gimli that takes Frodo to view the Kheled-zâram, or the Mirrormere. This was the shimmering mere that lay in the eastern valleys of the Misty Mountains; seeing it, and the stars that were always reflected in its surface, Durin the Deathless chose that place for the delving of Khazad-dűm.

I see this vision, many times when I'm up in the mountains and come across an alpine lake.
stikmon
11:01:12 AM
10/03/03

I'll take your word for it, stikmon. Actually my parents reading the Hobbit and the LOTR to us kids is one of my earliest childhood memories.

As much as I like and have read the books, I don't get the appeal of all the extraneous mythology written for it. Who cares? I can enjoy the books without reading through volumes of supplemental works.

The LOTR really has no bearing on why I hike. I grew up in the woods and have never really taken a liking to being surrounded nonstop by manmade stuff.
Mutt
11:07:03 AM
10/03/03

Yea, stikmon, they sound great.
I bet they would smell heavenly.
Almost enough to buy a pizzelle or krumkake iron. That's one cookware item I don't have, ha.
A waffle iron just won't do. Rats....
StoveStomper
11:11:07 AM
10/03/03

I think JR took the beauty of our planet,enhanced it with mythology
to create middle earth. The author of Dune probably took the oil rich middle east and created
Arakis the planet of spice.
Elfskin2
11:18:07 AM
10/03/03

yeah...but Frank Herbert...
was more than an author. A fav is Robert Heinlien...Stranger in a Strange Land was a monumental work and changed many an individual.

Has anyone read any of the Carlos Castaneda books?

I can understand what your saying Mutt. Its a simpler world, without all the societal trappings...but, Tolkien created something so complete, that it staggered the world of Literature in ways that are still being measured. High Fantasy became for than just the Grimm Fairy Tales. It became a genre, and inspired many future authors, Ursala LeGuin, Anne McCarthy, Terry Brooks, but Tolkien is the fount, it all began with him and has yet to be duplicated in all its intracies and detail.
stikmon
11:29:32 AM
10/03/03

Remember that guy who wrote about
the tales of Thomas Covenant. I thought he ripped off jr at first
but he had a decent twist in it with the leprosy thing.
Elfskin2
11:33:55 AM
10/03/03

C.S.Lewis was very impressed with JRR's stories......they used to meet with other authors and read their material..........he could not wait until the next meeting when he got to hear JRR read what he had written...can you picture this...JRR reading his own material...outloud to you??/....awesome......
divinity
11:48:46 AM
10/03/03

I never read...
any of the Thomas Covenant stuff. I kind of got stuck in MiddleEarth...doing research and learning all I could, mastering the Quenya, was a challenging effort and took years for me to get it right. Back then, there was not much reference material, but now...good grief...it abounds on the internet.

That Sword...Narsil, that Tilt posted up, Its $190.00 and is manufactured by the same outfit that created all the armor for the films. I'm thinking of an acquisition here...whoo hoo...new gear...I'll just strap that on the side of my pack and head out into the hinterland and go slay me a dragon.
stikmon
11:52:42 AM
10/03/03

crap crapp crapp
they have Anduril available for preorder....crap
stikmon
12:04:00 PM
10/03/03

small note....JRRT led C.S.Lewis to Christ....in 1931........read it in a book I read a long time ago..... about JRRT & C.S.Lewis and their friendship
divinity
12:28:50 PM
10/03/03

Don't forget Glamdring....

(I had a 1970 Mustang convertible named 'Anduril')
Tilt
12:44:07 PM
10/03/03

My first memories of the books were when my parents read them to my brothers and sisters and I when we were very young. I read them for the first time in grade school, then again in high school and again in college.

My wife and I just recently finished reading the Trilogy and the Hobbit aloud to each other each night as we lay down for the night.
Indiana John
1:07:01 PM
10/03/03

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