My apologies to everyone on this board

“...I know we all had some differences on this board between me and some of my views on certain subjects (mainly political ones) but I'm willing to give it a rest.

As for CHILI, I WOULD OF NEVER STARTED WITH YOU if you didn't decide to accuse me of things I never said, such as the "genocide" thing. So I OFFER you truce TO ALL hostilities. It's ok to disagree with other personages but not SAY false things about others. I hope you will understand.

And Geobeet, I offer my apologies to You also. I perfer NOT to continue fighting with you either. I know you will not see this due to you "ignoring" me. But I do offer my apologies nonetheless. Remember, you decided to include me into your controversy with Dub and this all how this whole thing started. Perhaps we can put it all behing us.

Nigal, personally I liked you but I feel YOU constantly misinterpetted my statements and made them out to something they were not intended to be. So LET'S JUST MOVE ON from now on and concertrate on backpacking.

And I say this to all others I had controveries with likewise. Just keep in mind I wasn't entirely AT Fault. When other personages begin to call me names FIRST I will react in a hostile manner. But I can forgive all past wrongs and move on. Personally, I perfer to talk about backpacking and hiking, NOT fighting with other personages.”

“Fair enough, as far as I am concerned the matter is closed.

Life is way to short to hold a grudge toward anyone.”

“Life is way to short to hold a grudge toward anyone.”

“The real and lasting victories are those of peace, and not of war.

--Ralph Waldo Emerson”

“Ohio I am proud of you... that took alot of guts to do.”

“Yeah sure...and no more name calling either, ya jerk!”

“Doesn't look like an apology to me.

Nonetheless, giving it a rest is a fine idea.”

“Ya know, this could be a set up.”

“Let's talk about more pleasant things like hiking...things I LOVE...perhaps in the Ozarks...even though I'm a Ohio Boy! Pennsylvania is great also, epecially the Allegheny National Forest and the Forbes.”

“this would be a place about nothing but backpacking...and that idea frightens me...no...apology NOT accepted...

joking...your ok,

can Khatru sleep in your tent, if we ever backpack together?”

“awwww are we all making nice again? well that sucks”

“Oy vey.”

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“...I never had any controvery with you. You were ok in my book.

I see you like hiking down in the Ozarks. One day I plan on moving to Missouri so I can hike those fine trails also. I personally like to hike Kaintuck Trail near Newburg, Mo.”

“(Excellent song!)

President Joe once had a dream
The world held his hand, gave their pledge

So he told them his scheme for a Saviour Machine

They called it the Prayer, its answer was law
Its logic stopped war, gave them food
How they adored it
till it cried in its boredom:

'Please don't believe in me, please disagree with me
Life is too easy, a plague seems quite feasible now
or maybe a war, or I may kill you all
Don't let me stay, don't let me stay
My logic says burn so send me away"

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You can't stake your lives on a Saviour Machine"

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Is living beyond reason, sacred dimension of time
I perceive every sign, I can steal every mind

Don't let me stay, don't let me stay
My logic says burn so send me away

Your minds are too green, I despise all I've seen
You can't stake your lives on a Saviour Machine"”

“Ohio Hiker's apology sounded anything but genuine. It sounds like a sugar-coated way to continue to point the finger at a few select folks. Hardly an apology in my book. This guy really is a jerk.

Memo to self: continue to put Ohio Hiker on ignore and never click on the little red plus sign again for him.”

“Personally I like the first Saviour Machine CD. "Killers" and "Carnival of Souls" are some of my favorite songs from that CD.”

“SAVIOUR MACHINE I ORDER NOW!!

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Force of the Entity
Legion
Ludicrous Smiles
The Wicked Window
Son of the Rain
Killer
The Widow and the Bride
Christians and Lunatics
The Mask
A World Alone”

“Ain't much sugar on that coat either, which is why it didn't look like an apology to me.”

“first of all whats with this "personages"? second of all, whats with saying your making an apology and lets drop it while simultaneously getting in the last shot? i hate it when ppl try to manipulate themselves to the moral high ground (see "lighten up" for more examples)”

“i think i just like arguing. ive always been like that. dont mind me ho-ho hiker. 8 hours a day of talking to whiny-ass deadbeats on the phone (i work for the collection dept at verizon) makes me want to just cut loose every once in a while. its not all about you, stikmom.”

“Actually, most of my controvery been with Chili and Geo, but Chili appears to be forgiving. I think he must be a good personage afterall. I forgive him in like manner. I hate no one. But if some personages choose to hold grudges, my advice: go ahead. I'm moving on nonetheless. No one is perfect.”

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In the spring of 1820, Joseph went to a grove of trees near his home and prayed to learn which church he should join. In answer to his prayer, Heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, appeared to him. Joseph wrote: “When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!” Joseph was told to join none of the churches that existed at that time.

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Joseph’s written account of this event is a powerful testimony of what he saw and experienced.

Notice the word "personages"?”

“FREAK!”

“I was wrong. Apology threads are much worse than birthday threads and death notices.”

“We freaks are not amused.”

“Takes one to know one.”

“Didn't Buddah Bear call me a "Beyach" when I first joined this forum? I didn't start it with this personage!

All my hiking will be with nice personages. By the way, I already have my OWN hiking partner anyhow.”

“LMAO.”

“I like debating also 2scoops. No hard feelings on my part.”

“Buddha Bear threatened to kick my ass when he first joined this board.

Some things never change.”

“Well, Buddah called me that name because I like ALPS gear. Oh well!”

“Buddha Bear threatened to kick my ass when he first joined this board.

Some things never change."
bacpac
07:01:27 PM
10/02/03

You too? Must be some type of an innitiation?”

“More likely a self esteem issue.”

“These love fests are down right sicknening”

“How in the world are you? I've been thinking about you! Are you doing ok?”

“me, bacpac, and ohio hiker are the new axis of evil”

“LOL @ Bacpac.

I'm fine Oskar, you? Haven't seen you around the board for awhile?”

“Wrong again.

You and OH are the asses of evil.”

“"Nigal, personally I liked you but I feel YOU constantly misinterpetted my statements and made them out to something they were not intended to be. So LET'S JUST MOVE ON from now on and concertrate on backpacking."

All I ask is that you admit that you posted a fake post making it look like I hated the disabled. I never posted that and you know it. Admit it and all is forgiven.”

“to get "even" with you. I admit it.

Are you going to apologize for calling me a bum? I NEVER beg anyone for rides or anything for that matter. I wasn't raised to beg.”

“#1. It is all about ME.

#2. Bacpac is really a decent personage...you on the other hand are a plecebo experiment.

#3. Buddah Bear threatened to do something to my @ss, but It wasn't kicking it...To tell you the truth, he scared me a bit...sending me private email and all...nasty photos of himself and such, thats why I had to take my email off my profile and get a new one. I guess BB really has some attatchment to other men's butts.”

“Hey Ohio I have taken you off of my list I just hope you can be good becuase this message board and all the people here are my friends and this is a place that I call home in the backpacking world when I am not on the trail.I just hope that other people on the board can forgive you.


Be cool about things and keep your head on stright and most of all have fun on this message board and don't piss people off by saying things that hurt people and make them not like you becuse that is not what this board is about.


8|”

“"Uh oh Dub, Bruce must need a ride."
Nigal
07:35:07 PM
10/02/03

...I DON'T THINK THAT AT ALL. AND WHY CONTINUE TO USE MY REAL NAME NIGAL?

Let's see yo take some responsibility now. I did. I wonder if YOU will apologize now.”

“What am I going to do with all you people??????????


8\”

“... your advice would apply to ALL personages on this hiking board likewise. Remember, I WAS called names first before all this trouble erupted. I wasn't the only guilty party here. But I'm forgiving all such personages however, even if they won't forgive me.”

“I know that!


Time heals all wounds at least that is what I think.

8|”

“The sagging cot was a poor apology for a bed.”

“I posted that before reading the apology thread. I do apologize for calling you bum. It was wrong.”

“"8 hours a day of talking to whiny-ass deadbeats on the phone (i work for the collection dept at verizon)"

I think I just found your major flaw. Maybe they should put you in the custumer service department. You're a real people person.

You phone company bastards deserve all the unhappiness in the world! Sad sack of bastards! 8)”