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“should a camper carry a firearm when camping in the wild. I am new to camping some people have said carry a firearm when backpacken in the wild. should I?”
“Brace yourself - there's some strong feelings on this subject.”
“There is no need to carry unless you are hunting.”
“in general, i would say, if a place makes you that uneasy, dont go. some ppl will take a gun into grizzly or even black bear country, but even so, your peppper spray will be more effective (even tho its not at all manly) than a bullet which you may or may not hit him with in your panic.
my question is, are you more askeert of the beasts or man?”
“do whatever you want. don't let us influence you. there are pros and cons on both sides. i don't have a problem with anyone no matter how they feel about this subject.
but i wouldn't reccomend jumping me in the woods.....heh heh”
“Some carry pepper spray, whistles, knives, mace, etc. I prefer Glock. 10mm.”
“Are you NEW too firearms like you are camping?”
“I just have a knife and a whistle.. I never had to use either of them on animals.. or people for that matter.”
“there are some situations... one in particular i'm glad i had a firearm along - ie polar bear country, the shotgun probably saved my life, or at least prevented a lot of trauma.”
Taking proper food and cooking precautions...
“Here in NM, I have 220# of me, pepper spray, micro airhorn or whistle and a carbide tipped spear for a black bear or cougar. Noise is first resort, pepper second, carbide tipped Leki pole third.
In AK, the same unless it was family car camping when I had a short barrell 12 gauge available.
As for people, they don't know I'm camped unless I want them too.”
“Never found a firearm necessary, unless you're backpacking in the Alaska backcountry (grizzlies are known to be unpredictable, if not aggressive). I've never known criminals who go beyond the trailhead parking lot.
Personally, I actively practice a few styles of martial arts, and I'm fairly sure I'd have you under control before you knew what had hit you and could use you gun.
If you do 'pack some heat' at least you can use the powder from the bullets as an emergency fire starter!”
“The number of violent incidents in the backcountry is so small that the weight of a gun is not worth it for that. I personally thing that carrying a gun for black bears is unnecessary.
However, I don't have a problem with it.”
“In aprx 35 years of hiking/camping, I have never had need of a firearm.However, occasionally I carry one. I usually resent the extra weight. If you choose to carry or feel more comfortable in the woods with one, than what does it hurt as long as you are responsible. You are responsible for where that round goes, as there might be someone else hiking some distance away. Don't fire at noises or movement or you could spend many years in prison.”
“It's not necessary in the lower 48.”
“I am too much of a Nancy to carry the extra weight.”
“If you don't carry a firearm at all times, backpacking or not, you are a misguided pathetic individual. We are living under a constant threat from deer, people, pheasant and duck. Many of these entities are armed and all want to take your life at all times. We need this protection.
Just my 2 cents.”
“I hear ya brother Bear.
I always carry both of my arms. I feel the extra weight is worth the convenience.”
“LOL @ VioLiN!”
“There are several other threads on this topic as well. You should do a search for them if you want some lively responses.”
“I used to pack 2 weapons as well, but i found bringing just 1 AK-47 is about the same weight and allows for supreme fire-power.”
“Get yourself a Zippo and some firecracker pks. And throw them like a frisbee.
Anybody know how the spray works in the rain and wind and cold temp's?”
“I don't know. Maybe I'll get some bullets with traces, and test the spray.”
“Guns are heavy and with ammunition can add a lot of weight to your waist belt. Just use your head, do some good planning, and you will be fine.”
“Guns are heavy and with ammunition can add a lot of weight to your waist belt. Just use your head, do some good planning, and you will be fine."
This is a perfect example of why I'm packin' on the trail. Imagine if you ran across this guy without a weapon.
“GRRRRRRRRRR! (no silver bullets please)”
armed when camping
“thank's everbody for the pro,con's of this matter, I don't think a gun is on my caming list. think i'll be all right, like the post said people are more of a threat to me than animals could ever be. that why im going on this trip to get away from them. thanks for the help campers!”
“Make sure it's legal. Some state/national parks don't allow firearm.”
“Booodah, I don't get it. What are you trying to tell me?”
If you have to ask the question the answer is no.
Anyone who has the competance and experience to carry and use a firearm in the backcountry would know their capabilities and would not have to ask this question.
I have the same sort of answer as Catskhiker, mostly no because of weight and no particular need for a firearm, but on some occasions where risks are different, yes.
If, if, you have a firearm, at what point do you decide that you need to shoot something?
How long is going to take you to get the firearm out, safety off, and fire it with sufficient accuracy to stop the threat?
Take a look at human foot speed.
The top runners can do a mile in 4 minutes, lots of lesser people can do that speed for a few yards.
4 Minute mile is 15MPH, or 22ft/second.
21ft is 7 yards, the Police qualifying distance (coincidence ??).
Can you draw and hit an 8inch pie plate at 7 yards in a second or less ? because otherwise the attacker is already on top of you.
Are you able to explain in Court why you thought that person who was NOT within 7 yards of you was such a treat that you had to shoot them? Better be a good reason, and be proveable in Court.
Look at some of the cases where Police have had to prove a perceived threat. The light of a Courtroom is a hard place to explain how a dark alley felt.
The time gaining competance with a firearm is better spent on the stairmaster, use the human foot speed gaining distance from the threat, not learning to shoot your way into trouble.”
“I always take my two pitbulls with me. They attack and kill everything around me.”
“Hike with some one that runs
slower than you do.”
“I never go hiking without my trusty M1A1 Abrams tank. I can't even begin to list the jams it's gotten me out of. Why once, a rabid squirrel tried to jump me, but one round from that Abrams, and that squirrel was toast. About 1,293 pieces of toast, to be precise!”
“I am just kidding brother!
Ya know, I think I'd be more secure taking a tank in the backcountry. Yeah, that's a good idea!”
“I have two suggestions.
(1) Pack a .44 magnum. It should take care of most of the varmits you are likely to come across.
(2) Restrict your hikes to the Everglades National Park, in summer.
You shouldn't encounter many hikers there who would flake out at the sight of you being armed.”
Human or Animal?
“Good advice above. manuka is as clear as polished glass.
The question is, what is the perceived threat? If it's animal (non-human) threat, you'd better know the area you're camping in, rules and regs. Heck, if I'm camping somewhere close to polar bears - I'm bringing at least the 44 Magnum!
It's a totally different question if the threat is human. I once camped on the AT (Blue Mountain-Lehigh Furnace Gap area) and was visited for breakfast by a guy who had no problem telling me he had just got out of jail and decided to hike the trail. He was carrying a bleach bottle that he was using for water and a bread bag with his food in it. I didn't feel threatened by him, but I certainly had no intent on getting chummy with him either.
Most derelicts on the trail don't look or act like "the normal" hikers. Many times I've encountered people and my gut reaction was to keep on moving, because they seemed like trouble. But you can't always tell, right?
My advice is to know your level of comfort when meeting others on the trail. Don't give out info like where you're camping or where you're going or where you're parked and if you get that gut feeling, then just keep moving.”
“Carry a suicide pill.
Swallow the pill just before the
When he eats you for a snack you
take him out too.”
“Sure, take a nice "hogleg" along, that should compensate for any lack of manhood.”
“White bears scare the #&%!$ out of me... i used to think that they were pretty cool, you just have to have a certain respect for them: Polar Bear Story ”
“What ever happened to the TT water gun fight?”
“My M1A1 cancels out all the sissy weapons, like bullets and shoes!”
“I love Elfskin2's ideas..........LOl..hahahaha....I hike slow...”
“O.K., man, I thought I had missed something. LOL.”
“There is a greater likelihood of a troll starting some dumbass thread like this than of your being accosted in the wilderness by a nefarious evildoer.”
“Don't know about that Father Goose. In the 17 years I've been hiking the AT there have been numerous murders, rapes, assaults and thefts.”
“Re-read my post, Lone Wolf. I didn't say that the incidents didn't ever occur.
I've been backpacking for about 40 years and have never encountered a sociopath on the trail. I've been hanging around this website for about 2 years and some dickhead troll like backpacker400 wasting bandwidth on a stupid thread like this is a daily occurence.”
“FG, We've been warned about nefarious evildoers and their axes.”
“You may call me 'Father Ghoul'...”
“As for backpacker400, I'll give him/her the benefit of the doubt here. It's a legite question, and many of my nonbackpacking friends often inquire about the same thing.
Manuka and Bobo make good points. I'd just add that you're probably much safer with people encounters in the woods than you are walking around your neighborhood.”
“You guys kill me.
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