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Ex-Aide: Powell Misled Americans

(CBS) The person responsible for analyzing the Iraqi weapons threat for Colin Powell says the Secretary of State misinformed Americans during his speech at the U.N. last winter.

Greg Thielmann tells Correspondent Scott Pelley that at the time of Powell’s speech, Iraq didn’t pose an imminent threat to anyone – not even its own neighbors. “…I think my conclusion [about Powell’s speech] now is that it’s probably one of the low points in his long distinguished service to the nation,” says Thielmann.

Pelley’s report will be broadcast on 60 Minutes II, Wednesday, Oct. 15 at 8 p.m. ET/PT.

Thielmann also tells Pelley that he believes the decision to go to war was made first and then the intelligence was interpreted to fit that conclusion. “…The main problem was that the senior administration officials have what I call faith-based intelligence,” says Thielmann.
“They knew what they wanted the intelligence to show. They were really blind and deaf to any kind of countervailing information the intelligence community would produce. I would assign some blame to the intelligence community and most of the blame to the senior administration officials.”

Steve Allinson and a dozen other U.N. inspectors in Iraq also watched Powell’s speech. “Various people would laugh at various times [during Powell’s speech] because the information he was presenting was just, you know, didn't mean anything -- had no meaning,” says Allinson.

Pelley asks, “When the Secretary finished the speech, you and the other inspectors turned to each other and said what?” Allinson responds, “’They have nothing.’”

Allinson gives Pelley several examples of why he believes Iraq didn’t have weapons of mass destruction. One time, he was sent to find decontamination vehicles that turned out to be fire trucks. Another time, a satellite spotted what they thought were trucks used for biological weapons.

“We were told we were going to the site to look for refrigerated trucks specifically linked to biological agents,” Allinson tells Pelley. “…We found seven or eight [trucks], I think, in total, and they had cobwebs in them. Some samples were taken and nothing was found.”
undead flesh eating Violin
11:26:24 AM
10/15/03

With all this unfolding, and who knows where it will end, my heart goes out to the families of those who died, and will die over their. How painful these doubts must be for them! Viet Nam all over???
shawn
11:53:24 AM
10/15/03

Hey dude, they are hidin' all that WMD stuff in the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon with the hashish producers.
Tom Terrific
11:56:36 AM
10/15/03

That's quite a bold assertion, V.
The Tilt Tale Heart
11:57:00 AM
10/15/03

They'll convert it all into Drugs and slip it by Customs gram by gram.
The Tilt Tale Heart
11:58:29 AM
10/15/03

What kinda drugs, hair restorer?

#&%!$ enlargement?
Tom Terrific
12:08:45 PM
10/15/03

I think probably Hallucinogens --- so you see things that aren't really there....
The Tilt Tale Heart
12:12:01 PM
10/15/03

Pelley's a liberal so you can't believe ANYTHING he says
DonOfTheDeadMan
12:15:25 PM
10/15/03

Yep, I can see it now,,,,60 Minutes will slip right by Fox news in the most liberal media war.
pumpkin36
12:20:40 PM
10/15/03

What's Limbaugh's take on this?
Tom Terrific
12:22:01 PM
10/15/03

He'll take a couple o' keys.
The Tilt Tale Heart
12:32:02 PM
10/15/03

I think Rush should go for a Dead Head tune at the opening of his show....


Truckin' got my chips cashed in. Keep truckin', like the do-dah man
Together, more or less in line, just keep truckin' on.

Arrows of neon and flashing marquees out on Main Street.
Chicago, New York, Detroit and it's all on the same street.
Your typical city involved in a typical daydream
Hang it up and see what tomorrow brings.

Dallas, got a soft machine; Houston, too close to New Orleans;
New York's got the ways and means; but just won't let you be, oh no.

Most of the cast that you meet on the streets speak of true love,
Most of the time they're sittin' and cryin' at home.
One of these days they know they better get goin'
Out of the door and down on the streets all alone.

Truckin', like the do-dah man. Once told me "You've got to play your hand"
Sometimes your cards ain't worth a dime, if you don't lay'em down,

Sometimes the light's all shinin' on me;
Other times I can barely see.
Lately it occurres to me What a long, strange trip it's been.

What in the world ever became of sweet Jane?
She lost her sparkle, you know she isn't the same
Livin' on reds, vitamin C, and cocaine,
All a friend can say is "Ain't it a shame?"

Truckin', up to Buffalo. Been thinkin', you got to mellow slow
Takes time, you pick a place to go, and just keep truckin' on.

Sittin' and starin' out of the hotel window.
Got a tip they're gonna kick the door in again
I'd like to get some sleep before I travel,
But if you got a warrant, I guess you're gonna come in.

Busted, down on Bourbon Street, Set up, like a bowlin' pin.
Knocked down, it get's to wearin' thin. They just won't let you be, oh no.

You're sick of hangin' around and you'd like to travel;
Get tired of travelin' and you want to settle down.
I guess they can't revoke your soul for tryin',
Get out of the door and light out and look all around.

Sometimes the light's all shinin' on me;
Other times I can barely see.
Lately it occurres to me What a long, strange trip it's been.

Truckin', I'm a goin' home. Whoa whoa baby, back where I belong,
Back home, sit down and patch my bones, and get back truckin' on.
Hey now get back truckin' home.
pumpkin36
12:59:46 PM
10/15/03

So what's next? "Wasted On The Way"? A Limbaugh & Crosby Reunion Tour?

I can't wait to see the PSAs he'll be doing for "The Partnership for a Drug-free America" (i.e. Anhauser-Busch, Philip Morris, Merck, Jim Beam, R.J. Reynolds, Bristol Meyers-Squibb, et al.).

I forget --- who makes OxyContin?
The Tilt Tale Heart
1:23:05 PM
10/15/03

I really think you guys should lay off Rush and demonstrate what liberal compassion is all about.


























Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Yeah right!
undead flesh eating Violin
1:37:16 PM
10/15/03

Liberal compassion = using tax money to create a drug diversion program that will probably be a big part of his sentence
DonOfTheDeadMan
1:44:01 PM
10/15/03

bump
Frankenbuddur
6:44:40 PM
10/15/03

I'll be watching.
Fear Drugs
7:06:37 PM
10/15/03

I have seen better journalism in the National Inquirer.

60 minutes has become an editorial, that was not news.
bacpac
7:27:59 AM
10/16/03

Where are those WMD's when you need them?
Doomadan
8:43:32 AM
10/16/03

It sucked? I guess I didn't miss anything then.
undead flesh eating Violin
8:50:00 AM
10/16/03

Doom - That sneaky Saddam keeps concealing them as fast as Elvis can smuggle them into the country and plant them.
undead flesh eating Violin
8:51:52 AM
10/16/03

Weapons findings vindicate Iraq war
Tuesday, October 14, 2003


Weapons findings vindicate Iraq war

The question of whether Saddam Hussein was still in the weapons of mass destruction business is no longer open; he was looking to turn these hidden agents into killers

By Charles Krauthammer


Rolf Ekeus, living proof that not all Swedish arms inspectors are fools, may have been right.

Ekeus headed the U.N. inspection team that from 1991 to 1997 uncovered not just tons of chemical and biological weapons in Iraq, but a massive secret nuclear weapons program as well. This, after the other Swede, Hans Blix, then director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, had given Saddam Hussein a perfectly clean bill of health on being non-nuclear. Indeed, Iraq was sitting on the IAEA Board of Governors.

Ekeus theorizes that Saddam decided years ago that keeping mustard gas and other poisons in barrels was unstable and corrosive, and also hard to conceal. Therefore, rather than store large stocks of weapons of mass destruction, he would adapt the program to retain an infrastructure (laboratories, equipment, trained scientists, detailed plans) that could "break out" and ramp up production when needed. The model is Japanese "just in time" manufacturing, where you save on inventory by making and delivering stuff in immediate response to orders. Except that Saddam's business was toxins, not Toyotas.

The interim report of chief U.S. weapons inspector David Kay seems to support the Ekeus hypothesis. He found infrastructure, but as yet no finished product.

As yet, mind you.

"We are not yet at the point where we can say definitively either that such weapons stocks do not exist or that they existed before the war and our only task is to find where they have gone," Kay testified last week.

This is fact, not fudging. How do we know? Because Saddam's practice was to store his chemical weapons unmarked amid his conventional munitions, and we have just begun to understand the staggering scale of Saddam's stocks of conventional munitions. Saddam left behind 130 known ammunition caches, many of which are more than twice the size of Manhattan. Imagine looking through "600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordnance" -- rows and rows stretched over an area the size of even one Manhattan -- looking for a few barrels of unmarked chemical weapons.

And there are 130 of these depots. Kay's team has up to now inspected only 10. The question of whether Saddam actually retained finished product is still open.

But the question of whether Saddam was still in the weapons of mass destruction business is no longer open.

"We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities," Kay testified, "and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002" -- concealed, that is, from the hapless Hans Blix.

Kay's list is chilling. It includes a secret network of labs and safe houses within the Mukhabarat, the Iraqi intelligence service; bioorganisms kept in scientists' homes, including a vial of live botulinum; and my favorite, "new research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin" -- all "not declared to the U.N."

I have been to medical school, and I have never heard of Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever. I don't know one doctor in 100 who has. It is an extremely rare disease, and you can be sure that Saddam was not seeking a cure.

He was not after the Nobel in physiology (Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat having already won the peace prize). He was looking for a way to turn these agents into killers. The fact that he was not stockpiling is relevant only to the question of why some prewar intelligence was wrong about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. But it is not relevant to the question of whether a war to pre-empt his development of weapons of mass destruction was justified.

The fact that Saddam may have decided to go from building up stocks to maintaining clandestine production facilities (may have: remember, Kay still has 120 depots to go through) does not mean that he got out of the weapons of mass destruction business. Otherwise, by that logic, one would have to say that until the very moment at which the plutonium from its 8,000 processed fuel rods are wedded to waiting nuclear devices, North Korea does not have a nuclear program.

Saddam was simply making his weapons of mass destruction program more efficient and concealable. His intent and capacity were unchanged.

For those who care about the United Nations (I do not, but many administration critics have a weakness for legal niceties), Resolution 1441, unanimously passed by the Security Council, ordered Saddam to make full accounting of his weapons of mass destruction program and to cooperate with inspectors, and warned that there would be no more tolerance for concealment or obstruction.

Kay's finding of "dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities," concealed from U.N. inspectors, constitutes an irrefutable material breach of 1441 -- and open-and-shut vindication of the U.S. decision to disarm Saddam by force.

http://www.detnews.com/2003/editorial/0310/14/a09-297055.htm
Mutt
8:58:29 AM
10/16/03

Once again, Krauthammer proves that he is one of the most brilliant satirists alive.
undead flesh eating Violin
9:11:26 AM
10/16/03

Fair and balanced? You decide!

;-)
Mutt
9:22:36 AM
10/16/03

LOL! Mutt, YOU posted that?!?


ROFL
Phaedrus
9:35:39 AM
10/16/03

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