REVOLUTION is NOW

“Yea, drop a bomb or two!”

“Dear Debbie,

I hope this email find you in good health and peace. I email you express my feelings with this "action" in Iraq. I was once a supporter of our President and this war, however, everyday it seems to me that I/we have been lied to. I see no progress, only blood shed and heartache of there friends and families. How is it that we can't take care of business and get out? Why is it that President Bush lied to us? If there are good things happening, why isn't it known to us?

I urge you, Senator Stabenow, to call upon the office of the President and demand that we bring this situation to a quick end.

I thank you for your time,”

“Let them know that this is unacceptable.


Dear Sander,

First would like to thank you for all of the years you have served my district. My family has been a long time supporter of yours and we look forward to many more years of your outstanding service.

I email you in regards to the Iraqi "action". I was once a supporter of our President and of this war. I have recently grown more angry over the way that this situation is being handled. I see no reason why we cannot make progress and get our men and women back home to there friends and families. I can no longer sit on the sidelines and watch these events.

I urge you, Rep. Levin, to call upon the office of our President and demand a quick solution to this situation. I feel betrayed and find it unfair that we were lied to by our leader regarding Iraq. I see no evidence that Saddam was an immediate threat to us. We need to take care of the real business around the world, not revenge.

I thank you for your time,”

“Lapkiss you are such narrow minded fool. Why do you want to pull out right before all the US companies get their mitts on that $87 Billion dollar nest egg? You want to bail and let the French get all those juicy contracts?”

“I want a soluion to this p u s s y footing your President has done. Like you'd see any of that money.

"Why do you want to pull out right before all the US companies get their mitts on that $87 Billion dollar nest egg?......."

just like a puppy, you have so much to learn and not enough time. So you agree with me that this ISN'T about freeing the peeps of Iraq, but about lining the pockets of da Man. I thank you you proving my point. Your Clark for Prez lawn sign is in the mail.


Dear President Bush,

I email you to express my disgust with the way you and your handlers have dealt with the Iraqi situation. I find it dishonorable that you used the heart strings of the American people after 9/11 to extract revenge on Saddam Hussein. There has not been sufficient evidence presented to me, or the American people, that Saddam was an immediate threat to us. You have lied to us, sir, and I feel betrayed by you. I strongly urge you to bring this situation to a quick end and bring our men and women home to there friends and family. Our combat forces should only be used as a last resort, not first action. America needs to stand for truth and justice, not manipulation and deceit.

I thank you for your time,”

“I agree with bacpac. We need to get a hold of that black gold first. Just because the French sent a couple human shields doesn't give them first rights to that booty!”

“This one is more telling:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

looks like yer on the wrong side there, bp.....”

“We need to get a hold of that black gold first. Just because the French sent a couple human shields doesn't give them first rights to that booty!"
UpUrs
01:53:40 PM


This almost sounds like the "Treasure of Sierra Madre"”

“Dear Bush-wack,

Please go back to Texas (if they'll have you).


ex animo,

-- M.”

“Trick you are to old if you remember old Bogart movies.”

“http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3206841.stm

any of you happen to see extra 4 billion 'round here?”

“But I don't have any sisters.”

“Maybe you are even older if you act like you're in an old Bogart movie!”

“You have no point! As a matter of fact you should reconsider your statement.”

“Sorry, dude. I'm tapped out.”

“Whoa!!!
Long thead!
I think my head is gonna expolde!

Good points on both sides! Reminds me of the the saying,
"There is his story and there is her story and then there is the truth"
We will propbaly never know the real reasons or the truth for at least 50 years from now.

I do know we have our own problems and then we have world problems.
Can our country solve them all, NOPE!
Should we try? I'm not sure?
Do we need to take care of our own first? Yep!
I just know that I see our country falling apart before my eyes. poverty, Unemployment, rich getting richer, while the poor getting poorer(sp?) Ecomomy sucks, Taxes suck, people with no medical beny's all kinds of crap.
I don't blame Bush he could not of done all this himself, I sure the clinton administration had some to do with it too...
Sometimes I wish we could just say phuck the world and put up a big phucking wall and take care of our own, but that's not realistic. O'well.
I think I might eventually sell everything, and go live on a mountain side in Alsaka!
Good debate dewds....”

“lappiss, just made my ignore list.”

“wasnt gonna chime in...

if we pull out now and leave the country in the state it is in we lose big in few ways.
1) we lose the last shred of legitimacy we have globally. Its not right to invade a country tear it up and leave. For better or worse we are responsible and ought to finish and rebuild then leave (with as much help as we can from virtually any wiling partner/donor state)
2) we pull out, what have 341 soldiers died for? squat
3)we leave now and there will be a giant sucking vacuum that WILL be filled with leaders whose primary motivator wuld be hatred of the US (seeing as how theoretically we came in smashed the place up then up and left)We would just be leaving way too much political ammo for the militant fringe to feed on. All of their claims about the US being evil and heartless would be fulfilled, absolute horrible idea.

I am not going top argue these points or get into some junior high debate that will accomplish nothing. This whole thread is just exhausting to read. To much BS to sift through on both sides. Change doesnt come through proving others wrong or name calling. I understand that lots of folks are mad and rightly so but this accomplishes nothing.

Peace”

“as always, birch hit it outta the park.....

.....”

“Agreed. We're there, and we need to remai there now until we instill some liberal secular thinking in the region.



In other words, we're there until forever.”

“I just want to see to end quickly. There's no reason why that can't happen. I'm really not saying "Let's leave now" that would be real bad.”

“Birch!

You are absolutely correct on all points.

I think that we have to do a good job in Iraq now. We have to support the troops and funnel as much money as is necessary to make this major mistake work.

However, that doesn't mean that we can't exact vengeance on the man who made the mistake by turning Bush out of office.

I am hesitant to support someone like Howard Dean, however, because his strident war opposition might make things worse. That said, nothing can be worse than what we have now.

Moderates for Revolution!”

“Oh, and for strat:


JIHAD BUSH!”

“After emailing my Reps and Sens.:

I have talked to a good number of people, asking questions.....offering commments...getting responses....

We'll see where this goes. One goal for the end of next week is to contact the Clark movement, offer my labor and maybe a little cash, checkbook willing. Clark offers what I'm looking for in a good leader:

Organization

Experiance

Leadership

Strength

Great Communication Skills

Personal

Strong

Up to the Challenge




As a side note.

I received an auto response to my email to Dick and George today. I was very please at the speed of the auto responder, as it made me feel very in touch with my leader. My only hope is that the gate keepers forward my urgent message...”

“JIHAD BUSH ! !

bush never said the threat was imminent, he said we can't afford to wait untill the threat is imminent, and i agree....containment only works on sain people....


laqis, clark only got 8% in a pole in new hampshire....sorry charlie, he's a goner.....

looks like it's dean for you......
AHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!”

“"bush never said the threat was imminent......"

dewd - yer full of it. Quit trying to rewrite history.”

“laqtis - I am watching him with a keen eye. Trying to read as much as possible about him. It will be interesting to watch.”

“Much to my suprise, I see that the Dems are holding there debate in town this weekend and all of the canidates will be here. Bad news for Clark, however. Looks like he's battle a bad case of laryngitis, causing him to possibly cancel an appearance at a local church.

The venue being used is the Fox Theater (no realtion to the network). Beautiful place! I hope the audiance isn't too stacked. It's an invite only attendance and Fox News will carry it live in it's cable station Sunday.”

“No suprise, but the Military backs Clark.

http://www.armytimes.com/static.php?f=view.php

Coop - It will be interesting. A good read is his 100 year vision on the clark04.com website”

“....This is interesting. I wonder if there is any way to confirm?

06-19-2003


Leadership and Logistical Failures Hurt Troops

Editor's Note: The following memo was sent from a senior NCO in the 3rd Infantry Division still serving in Iraq. Certain details have been omitted to protect his identity.

From: A Concerned Soldier
To: Col. David H. Hackworth

Subj: Leadership Failures in Iraq

I am a senior enlisted soldier in the Army, and I have a few points of view I would like to discuss in this forum with the intentions of confirming or alleviating some misnomers that I have seen communicated recently.

I would first like to both confirm and dispel some of the misunderstandings concerning logistics in Operation Iraqi Freedom. It is absolutely true that the logistical portion of the campaign was the biggest downfall both in planning and execution. The biggest travesty is, while there was an obvious miscalculation of what it would take to support us on the battlefield, there was little to no evident planning for sustaining the soldiers upon completion of the main war effort. Here are some prime examples that cannot be disputed by any twist of fact or camouflaging by the "spin doctors" in public relations:

1. We crossed the line of departure [from Kuwait] and finished the missions in a pretty much "as is" state of readiness with our vehicles. We did not receive a single piece of parts support for our vehicles during the entire battle. If a vehicle went down we had to cross-level parts from a more seriously damaged or mission incapable vehicle. We brought common replacement parts as part of our basic load configuration but they were limited due to the amount of vehicles and the limited carrying space. Now the [supply] system is turned on, but with the amount of soldiers in theatre and the subsequent amount of equipment that require repairs, not a single repair part has made to our vehicles to date. (This system applies to the units that have received follow on missions to places like Fallujah.)

2. The primary method of policing up broken equipment, on the battlefield and in enemy territory, was self-recovery. This meant that if you did not have tow capability between vehicles, you had very little chance of being moved forward to a maintenance control point, and you were forced to transfer personnel from one vehicle to another and abandon the broken vehicle. When it was all said and done, my unit had abandoned around 12 vehicles and transferred the soldiers to others in very cramped riding conditions.

This did two things detrimental to combat effectiveness. It overcrowded the vehicles that we fought from, thus reducing our ability to effectively defend or attack as warranted. It also provided a possibility of greater soldier casualties if the vehicle took and RPG round or other significant attack. To our amazement, our people made it to our objective, but others did not. I firmly believe that the conditions I just described contributed to the loss and injury of soldiers on the battlefield.

3. During operations, it seemed impossible to maintain our necessary supplies of water and food. We all carried five days of supply with us at LD with the intent of utilizing it only in an "emergency" situation. The problem being that because our logistics lines were so poor, we had to break into them during the trip rather than in an established emergency situation. One of the biggest reasons for this is the mismanagement of the haul assets available for the support of the operation. The logisticians were forced to make a decision, haul food and water on their limited hauling assets, or haul ammunition and parts. With the continuous "Go! Go! Go!" mentality of our movement to Baghdad, I guess it was more important to continue the fight.

4. We had a very elaborate plan of attack going into the operation. However, we failed to realize that the enemy had a vote in how exactly we were going to conduct our operation and the changes to the plan that they could affect. We, as we planned, would "take Baghdad in a matter of days" and were told that "There is no expected contact for a significant piece of our movement." We were even told not to place a round into our weapons when we LD'd because "We won't see the enemy for quite sometime." and "will have plenty of time to react." The intent was that this would reduce the risks of a "negligent discharge or fratricide incidents." Well, we know what the truth is: We received ambush and guerilla warfare tactics from almost the very beginning.

Don't get me wrong, all of our soldiers were very well trained and they reacted well to contact. We didn't lose soldiers as a result of this oversight, but I wonder how many support or follow-on units made the same mistake and weren't quite as well prepared?

5. The movement to the objectives was pure chaos. It was poorly orchestrated and executed. I was witness to several vehicle accidents, where soldiers lost their lives, that were a direct result of the "Go! Go! Go!" mentality. Units were getting separated by their inability to maintain convoy continuity due to the extremely dusty conditions, better known as "brown out," and the sheer number of vehicles traveling the exact same path. I cannot adequately put to words the absolute confusion caused by the movement north. The tanks and Bradleys were not stopping for anything, and that very mentality caused several problems. Imagine having only soft-skinned vehicles, small caliber firearms, overcrowded vehicles, no communications ability (except internal to your immediate group), and hearing sporadic transmissions of ambushes and close contact firefights. That is exactly what many units had to endure and it cost soldiers their lives. (I can think of a certain maintenance support unit that made the news.)

6. Once the objectives were reached and seized, we established our operations within Baghdad and started the humanitarian effort. The supply lines have yet to come into fruition and simplicities such as bottled water have yet to make their appearance on a consistent basis. We have had no potable ice since our arrival. I have personally been forced to buy ice from the Iraqis so that my soldiers were not drinking hot water day in and day out. It is bad enough that they have been forced to drink water that tastes like it came straight from a swimming pool (because of the sanitization process). Don't get me wrong - bottled water is showing up, but not with anything that can be remotely considered consistent.

We are steadily providing bottled water to the citizens of Iraq though, and you can bet your next paycheck that anyone who is of any rank that allows them to work on a brigade or higher level staff position hasn't had to drink warm sanitized water lately. As a matter of fact, I have witnessed several "higher ups" in my particular unit with private shower facilities, private porta-johns, and ice chests full of bottled water and potable ice in their immediate work areas while their subordinates (meaning the soldiers) are struggling every day to get a cold bottle of water. These very same senior soldiers are living in an air conditioned room while their soldiers are trying, in vain, to keep mosquitoes from consuming them nightly, and using hoses from an Iraqi latrine stall to get water enough to maintain their hygienic needs.

7. 3ID, in particular, 2BCT is now conducting operations in Fallujah and its surrounding area to "rid that area of Ba'ath Party loyalists and make the area safe for the citizens." Bull#&%!$! We are conducting operations in Fallujah to rid the United States of a political black eye that we have received in the world of public opinion. Now we have to control their citizens, they are the very same citizens that are throwing rocks at passing soldiers, ambushing them, and sniping them. We are spending millions to provide fuel and propane and facilities to people that spit in our direction the second the stop waving. We are patrolling their streets, executing raids, and checking everywhere in an attempt to rid the community of those that are influencing the behavior of the masses. (All of these operations are being conducted in vehicles that have not received any repair parts since our original LD) I have no idea if this is working, but I do know that we have provided these people with countless creature comforts that are not being provided to the soldiers throughout the theater. Sure there are some soldiers that are receiving air conditioning, electricity, and bottled water with their hot meals. These soldiers are the exception to the rule, not the rule. There are soldiers, to this day, that live in squalor.

I can only ask that these points be made available to everyone. I am sure that many have no idea about what their husbands, sons, wives, and daughters - their soldiers - are going through or have gone through.

We have been America's war-fighters, we have liberated a country from conditions that are indescribable, and in return we are being kept here and are living in conditions that we liberated the Iraqis from. How is it that the people that fought and spilled blood on this soil against Iraqi forces are now given the responsibility of providing them comfort and humanitarian aid?

There are many units here that were brought here specifically to replace us and no replacement is being conducted. We have done our job and have done it well, we have fulfilled our obligation to this operation, but we are still here and are still being mistreated and misled. When does it end? Do we continue to keep the liberators of Iraq here so they can continue to lose soldiers periodically to snipers and ambushes? My unit has been here since September and they have no light at the end of the tunnel. How many of my soldiers need to die before they realize that we have hit a wall? We are ordered to stay and ordered to continue the mission, but at what cost? Doesn't the soldier count for anything?

It is an absolute travesty that our leaders allow politics and public opinion to betray the heroes of this great nation. I was once the greatest voice for the command and our leaders, now I am a defeated leader who is forced to support without question and lie to my soldiers so that they can maintain a forced motivation. We have been told to "suck it up, get through it, and execute." With leadership like that, what else can we do?


sftt.org”

“Were that so profound and important, ya'd think they'd want to take some credit beyond being just "concerned soldier". To protect him? Come on!

Sidenote: Hackworth is an excellent writter and I highly suggest his books.”

“http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3209639.stm

We need a better plan in dealing with these actions....”

“Signs seen recently in D.C.:


One Nation,
Under Surveillance


-- and --


Make Jobs
Not War




Hackworth always has something interesting to say at his book signings on BookTV (C-SPAN2, weekends).

www.hackworth.com”

“the 60's are over man.....let it go”

“Some People learn nothing from history.
Everything old is new again.”

“some people still live in a 9-10 world...

9-11 happened. i am amazed that it hasn't happened again because i thought we were gonna get hit over and over and over. you gotta admit, it's amazing that we haven't had another major attack here.

around 300 US soldiers have died in order for 60,000,000 people can live in freedom.
pretty good ratio if you ask me.....oh but wait, you didn't ask me....

nevahmind....”

“I love daylight savings time. It gives me a chance to get back to normal has far as my body clock goes. It also gives me a little extra time to do something for the Revolution....

I made my pledge this morning. The final plan has been laid out for the rally before the debate in Detroit tonight:


Sunday, 26 October, 5:00PM: Clark Rally Prior to the Preseidential Debate in Detroit
Tentative Schedule
Before 5:30pm: All Clark Supporters meet at the Fox Theater. General Clark will be entering the side entrance of the Fox Theater, between Hockeytown Cafe and the Fox Theater. No cars will be allowed, but pedestrian traffic is expected to be allowed.
After 6:45pm: -- Under Age 35 Clark Supporters will depart Fox Theater after Gen. Clark arrives and go to the Michigan Young Democrats Debate Watch Party.
Michigan Young Democrats; Time: 8 p.m. - until after debate ends; Location: The Town Pump 100 W. Montcalm Street, Detroit - Contact: Lauren Dikis (740) 707-6863 and Chris Cornwell (MYD President); Cost: $20 suggested donation, $10 with student ID)
-- Over Age 35 Clark Supporters will depart Fox Theater after Gen. Clark arrives and go to the 13th/14th Congressional District Debate Watch Party.
13th and 14th Congressional Districts; Time: 6 p.m. - 10 p.m.; Location: 5th Avenue, 2200 Woodward Ave, Northwest corner of Comerica Park at Montcalm and Witherall, Detroit; Contact: Agene Evans 313-942-6564; Cost: Free.
8:00pm-10:00: Presidential Debate
Before 10:00pm: All Clark Supporters go to the Michigan Young Democrats Afterglow for possible Gen. Clark Visit.
Afterglow will take place at the Town Pump on 100 W. Montcalm Street in Detroit. There is a $20 suggested donation, $10 with student ID. - this is not in addition to the amount for the Debate Watch Party.
Important Note: It is important for as many supporters to go to Afterglow as possible to make sure that Gen. Clark is there among supporters. There will probably be a lot of Dean and Kerry supporters since they are scheduled to be there.


An interesting note: I've been outta the "loop" shall we say since the Perot run of '92. I thought it interesting that the Clark camp split it's people up for the Debate Watching Party into two groups sending the youngin's over to warm the bar up fer the later on festivites.....


Strat - When you say the '60's are over, what is it that you mean?

Are YOU making the referance to a time when there was an embattled Repubicain President, strapped with a bogged down military action, plunging voter approval and growing protests in the streets?


Speaking of protests in the streets...

Last night I watched some of the coverage of the protest rally in DC. Not a real big crowd, but quite entertianing. I love hearing "Phuck George Bush" being chanted from the Mall. They had a Political rapper, "Prime Meridien" who had a style and message simalar to old "Arrested Development". Some issues he talked about I didn't agree with, but over all, he is talented.

One thing I gotta point out is that it's great to see the local Greens out on stage. There person was pretty well rehearsed. I love'em. It's like watching your crazy uncle Charlie at a family reunion.”

“was it not a democratic president that got us into vietnam in the first place?

glad to see you put all your faith in foulmouthed extremist, laq. nowonder you like al franken so much....


JIHAD BUSH!”

“"nowonder you like al franken so much...."



Tell me, my friend, where did I say anything about Franken?

you can't because I never did. You made that up like you make up everything.

"was it not a democratic president that got us into vietnam in the first place?......"

A President that was killed before he could complete what ever he intended for Vietnam. Oh yea, maybe it was Commumisum he was trying to stop? Maybe he didn't like the thought of poor Stratie speaking Russian? You are correct, a Dem got us in there, but a Rep KEPT us there.


Get the facts right, then GET DOWN!”

“Well I'll be......

I don't know if this response I recieved from Carl Levin is an automated one or not. Sure seems good. Carl rules!

Strat - Listen up, my brotha:

Dear Friend:

Thank you for contacting me regarding my support for a bipartisan review of the intelligence that Congress and the country received prior to the war in Iraq.

Our military forces conducted a brilliant campaign to rid the world of the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein. Now our challenge must be to bring democracy and stability to Iraq. Our chances of meeting that challenge will be increased, and the risk to our troops will be reduced, if we actively reach out to involve the world community through NATO and the United Nations in the peacekeeping operations and reconstruction in Iraq.

To help gain international support, we must also face another challenge -- assuring the objectivity and reliability of the intelligence information our leaders use to make life-and-death decisions regarding our security.

Last January, the President stated in his State of the Union address that the British government had learned that Iraq recently sought to purchase uranium for nuclear weapons from Africa. The purpose of that statement was to make the American people believe that our government believed it. But the truth was that our intelligence agencies did not believe it. In fact, the CIA had successfully pressed the White House to remove a similar reference from a Presidential speech four months before the State of the Union address.

This issue about African uranium is not just about sixteen words in a speech. It is about whether Administration officials made a conscious decision to create a false impression about the gravity and imminence of the threat Iraq posed to America. And there is troubling evidence that the uranium statement was just one of many questionable statements and exaggerations by the Intelligence Community and Administration officials in the buildup to the war.

Unless we address the objectivity and reliability of U.S. intelligence before the Iraq War, our government's warnings about future security threats will be greeted with skepticism here at home and around the world. Should the United States conclude, for example, that there is a significant connection between Iran and al Qaeda, it will be more difficult to gain the support of the American people and our allies for any action if they question the credibility of our intelligence.

This is not a partisan political issue. Recently, my Republican colleague Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, said it is "too serious here, for this country, to not know what happened. America will want to know what happened, as the world will. ... Did, in fact, we base our reasons for going to war on something that was faulty intelligence, or abused intelligence?" Indeed, that is the very question that must be thoroughly investigated.

Americans are united in our gratitude that Saddam Hussein's brutal regime is gone. But unless we can establish -- or if necessary, reestablish -- the objectivity and reliability of America's intelligence and its proper use, our national security and our leadership in the world will be diminished.

Again, thanks for contacting me on this matter. I will keep you views in mind as the Congress considers this issue.

Sincerely,

Carl Levin”

“When you hear someone in Congress actually talking SENSE, it's invariably Carl Levin or someone like him.

Carl kicks all forms of ass!”

“ok well i stand corrected , somebody mentioned al franken on one of these jihad bush threads....my bad. as far as 'nam goes, whatevah spin you want to put on it is fine by me cuz the 60's are over man....

carl levin is cool for a 9-10 guy. as far as intell goes, i say the fact that there have been no more major attacks on our soil speaks volumes for the job their doing. my guess is most of the credit should go to the FBI, not the CIA.


JIHAD BUSH!”

“I never thought Carl Levin would be the topic of a thread on TT. I loved it how for 6 years, Michigan was represented by both a liberal Jewish Senator Levin and a conservative Arab Senator Abraham.

I also loved how there used to be a Senator Abraham and a Senator Lincoln Chafee. I think they cosponsored a bill once, called - ahem - the Abraham-Lincoln bill.

Of course, now we have that drippy, ineffectual Debbie Stabenow. The only thing she ever does is take bus trips to Canada to buy drugs and spit at the garbage trucks.”

“White House Accused Of Holding Back 9-11 Info


http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2584362/detail.html

This is what Carl was talking about.”

“"was it not a democratic president that got us into vietnam in the first place?


stratdewd
09:36:21 AM


The first Prez to get us into Vietnam was Eisenhower, boys! The military men that were sent in were shrewdly called "advisors" then. but it happened under Ike's admin...”

“This Just In....”

“Tilt - That guy has got A LOT of time on his hands to have recorded all that.



TB - On time with the Ike reset!



I finshed my fence/gate last night a little to late to attend the Clark meet up at the Tavern after the debate. I decided to make a beer run and watch the debate at home. A couple of thoughts on what I saw:

1. For those who don't know him, Huel Perkins is a friggin' tool. If yer ever in town, you'll be able to catch him on the local scare network (Fox 2).

2. The Rev. Sharpton was able to use the Fox Theater's great acoustics to his benifit. He was in prime fashion!

3. Gephardt looked at times, with his hand movements and makeup, to try to "usher in" change. I thought that was a little telegraphed.

4. Moseley Braun is a real good public spealker. She should get somewhere.

5. Kerry looked stiff, his long time trait.

6. Clark had a good showing, I thought. He stumbled on a couple of items, but not too bad fer a big night. He can speak. Alls that needs to happen is to shine the brass and present.


Overall, I could see the why people in the Dem party like Dean. He's very agressive.

I think this will get more interesting in the few weeks.


Ya know, they keep saying that Clark entered the race too late, but if memory serves, did the Dem party start real early this year? Wouldn't around Sept to now be the traditional time to announce in years past?”

“It's not too late for Clark. No way. As far as Gephardt goes, that clown should get knocked out fast, IMO. He is a true to life, insincere politician. He was instrumental in putting the democratic party in the position it's in and had a big hand in the 2002 election fiasco for the party. He is as much of an opportunist as Bush is. When the party needed him to stand up and show some backbone, he chose to get his photo ops in with Bush (being that he was riding this wave of being the "untouchable American leader" at the time). Idealogically, I don't believe he stood with Bush as he pretended to, but chose that route becasue he thought it was politically expedient for him at the time. It cost the democratic party, made them look like wishy washy whiners and put himself in a position to have to step down from House leadership.”

“Sorry, Ideologically, I meant”