REVOLUTION is NOW

“"North Korea scares the hell out of me...Saddam Hussein never did."
mtnsteve
07:37:21 PM
11/01/03

I agree. North Korea is an example of what happens when a mad regime DOES flaunt its WMD's and nuclear capability. It's a whole different beast to deal with. Boy am I glad we didn't let Saddam get to that point, what a mess that would've been!

Peace out!”

“Please remember them and give your kids an extra hug.....



Fifteen Killed After Helicopter Attacked in Iraq

FALLUJAH, Iraq — A U.S. Chinook helicopter (search) believed to be carrying troops to their R&R leaves was shot down as it headed for Baghdad airport on Sunday, killing 15 soldiers and wounding 21, the U.S. command said.

It was the deadliest single attack on American forces since the start of the war in Iraq in March.

"It does appear that a U.S. helicopter was probably shot down from the ground and it crashed, and a large number of Americans have died," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld (search) said in Washington.

The aircraft was hit at about 9 a.m. by a shoulder-fired missile. It crashed in cornfields near the village of Hasi (search) — about 40 miles southwest of Baghdad and just south of Fallujah, a center of Sunni Muslim resistance to the U.S. occupation.

The missile strike was a significant new blow in an Iraq insurgency that escalated in recent days.

Other U.S. soldiers were reported killed Sunday in ground attacks in Iraq.

The only day that saw more U.S. casualties came March 23, during the first week of the invasion that ousted Saddam Hussein (search).

Rumsfeld called it "a tragic day for America and for these young men and women. I must say, our prayers have to be with them and with their families and their loved ones."

Sunday's attacks came amid threats attributed to Saddam's party of a wave of violence against the U.S. occupation. Saturday had been planned as a "Day of Resistance (search)" in Baghdad, though no widespread violence was reported there.

A U.S. military spokesman, Col. William Darley, confirmed the Chinook casualty count of 15 but said the cause of the crash was under investigation. He said witnesses reported seeing what they believed were missile trails.

Witnesses said they saw two missiles fired from a palm grove at the heavy transport copter. The missiles flashed toward the helicopter from behind, as usual with heat-seeking shoulder-fired missiles such as the Russian-made SA-7. The old Iraqi army had a large inventory of SA-7s, also known as Strelas.

At the scene of the crash, villagers proudly showed off blackened pieces of wreckage to arriving reporters.

Others celebrated word of the helicopter downing, as well as a fresh attack on U.S. soldiers in Fallujah itself, where witnesses said an explosion struck one vehicle in a U.S. Army convoy at about 9 a.m. Sunday. They claimed four soldiers died, but U.S. military sources said they couldn't confirm the report.
"This was a new lesson from the resistance, a lesson to the greedy aggressors," one Fallujah resident, who wouldn't give his name, said of the helicopter downing. "They'll never be safe until they get out of our country," he said of the Americans.

The 10-ton Chinook — the military's heavy-list workhorse used primarily for moving troops and equipment— was the biggest U.S. target yet shot from the skies. The downed craft belonged to the Army's 12th Aviation Brigade, supporting the 82nd Airborne Division Task Force.

The Chinook helicopter struck Sunday was part of a formation of two Chinooks carrying a total of more than 50 passengers to the U.S. base at the former Saddam International Airport, renamed Baghdad International Airport, which the military calls BIA.

"Our initial report is that they were being transported to BIA for R&R flights," a U.S. command spokeswoman in Baghdad said. She said at least some were coming from Camp Ridgway, believed to be an 82nd Airborne Division base in western Iraq.

Command spokesman Darley said he didn't know whether the troops were bound for leaves at home or abroad outside Iraq.

Villagers said the copters took off from the air base at Habbaniyah, about 10 miles northwest of the crash site. One villager, Thaer Ali, 21, said someone fired two missiles from the area of a date palm grove about 500 yards from where the stricken copter crashed.

Another witness, Yassin Mohamed, said he ran out of his house, a half-mile away, when he heard an explosion. "I saw the Chinook burning. I ran toward it because I wanted to help put out the fire, but couldn't get near because of American soldiers."

Witnesses said the second copter hovered over the downed craft for some minutes and then set down, apparently to try to help extinguish a fire. The downed, 84-foot-long copter was already destroyed.

At least a half-dozen Black Hawk helicopters later hovered over the area, and dozens of soldiers swarmed over the site. Injured were still being evacuated at least two hours later.

Insurgents have fired on U.S. aircraft before, downing two helicopters since Saddam's regime fell — though only one American was injured in those incidents.

American military officials have repeatedly warned that hundreds of shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles remain unaccounted for in Iraq since the collapse of Saddam's regime in April. The U.S.-led coalition has offered rewards of $500 apiece to Iraqis who turn the weapons in.

Also early Sunday, the U.S. command said a soldier from the 1st Armored Division was killed just after midnight when a makeshift bomb was exploded as his vehicle passed while responding to another incident.

In Abu Ghraib, on Baghdad's western edge, U.S. troops clashed with townspeople Sunday for the second time in three days, and witnesses reported casualties among both the Americans and Iraqis. There was no immediate official confirmation.

Local Iraqis said U.S. troops arrived Sunday morning and ordered people to disperse from the marketplace and remove what the Iraqis said were religious stickers from walls. Someone then tossed a grenade at the Americans, witnesses said, and the soldiers opened fire.

The U.S. command said it had no immediate information, but Iraqi witnesses said they believed three or four Americans were killed and six to seven Iraqis were wounded.

Last Friday at the same marketplace, attempts by U.S. troops to clear market stalls from a main road led to sporadic clashes that left two Iraqis dead, 17 wounded and two U.S. soldiers wounded.

The Pentagon announced Friday it was expanding the home leave program for troops in Iraq, to fly more soldiers out of the region each day and take them to more U.S. airports. As of Sunday, it said, the number of soldiers departing daily via a transit facility in neighboring Kuwait would be increased to 480, from 280.

The shootdown of the Chinook came after what U.S. occupation chief L. Paul Bremer on Saturday called "a tough week" in Iraq, beginning with an insurgent rocket attack on Sunday against a Baghdad hotel housing hundreds of his Coalition Provisional Authority staff members. One was killed and 15 wounded in that attack.

A day later, four coordinated suicide bombings in Baghdad killed three dozen people and wounded more than 200. Attacks against U.S. forces had already stepped up in the previous week, to an average of 33 a day.

The Chinook death toll surpasses one of the deadliest single attacks during the Iraq war: the March 23 ambush of the 507th Maintenance Company, in which 11 soldiers were killed, nine were wounded and seven captured, including Pvt. Jessica Lynch.

A total of 28 Americans around the country — including the casualties from the ambush — died on that day, the deadliest for U.S. troops during the Iraq war.”

“Not to pyle on.....But let me ask this:


If you had the chance to ask Rumsfield one question (straight, not multiple choice or two parters) and one question only, what would it be?”

“Why do you always squint?”

“"At the scene of the crash, villagers proudly showed off blackened pieces of wreckage to arriving reporters."

Some shltholes deserve to remain shltholes.”

“Ahem....Thank you Mr. Rumsfield for giving my your ear on this subject. I appreicate your time, as I know that you have a very busy schedule, with us loosing GI's and all. I'm sure you have to get back to your people to discuss how your going to spin the lastest deaths in Iraq, so I'll be brief:




WHY DOES IT HURT.....WHEN I PEE??”

“Honestly, everyday this goes on, they get stronger and we get weaker. Not having a world force in there shows that America stands alone in the operation. Is Saddam and Co. playing the American street? Hell YES! All Saddam has to do to win against Bush is to outlast him, like Father...like Son....”

“Blowback: Afghanistan on the brink


http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/presents/”

“seen those torture videos yet, laq?


don't hit me ![cringe]”

“Have YOU seen them, Strat?”

“He claims he has. From what I can tell, that boy has had a real hard upbringing. He's really into punishment and torture........”

“Dang Q, if I didn't personally know you I'd say that you were a fairly negative chap. Dispite what is being shown in the media there are some very good things being done in both our theaters of war and life is getting better for the average American hating Arabs there.”

“Torture is a lousy argument for invading Iraq. It's a good argument for thinking Hussein was an evil mo-fo,

However: The US has supported a lot of evil mo-fo's who engaged in torture. the US under Reagan, and the early days of BushI was supporting Saddam when he was torturing people, committing mass murder and using wmds.

The use is playing with brutal and oppressive regimes right now. Reagan and a members of the current Bush team were constructively engaging South Africa under Apartheid, where there was routine torutre, massive political oppression and South Africa had a big nuclear program.

Anyway, the idea that its about human rights or wmd, just ain't credible. Its about a geopolitical strategy that was in place long before 9/11.

If it was about getting rid of an evil murderous dictator, BushI would never have pulled the plug on the uprising after the first Gulf War. Obviously Bush nd his team felt that the overthrow of Saddam at that time wouldn't fit their agenda.”

“True Pedy. I have never been able to figure out our international policies. We won't have jack squat to do with Cuba but China gets our most favored nation status. WTF? We invade Afganistan and Iraq but nearly every one of the 9/11 hijackers was from Saudi Arabia. WTF? We go half way around the world to kick the shlt out of those who would harbor our enemies but we scold Israel for fighting terrorism in their own phucking back yard. WTF? We have no problem bombing the crap out of Yugoslavia where there is an oil pipeline at stake but we ignore the genocide in African nations. WTF?

While I refuse to be a paranoid chopper chaser like Tom T but any moron can see how our international policies are driven by money.”

“Welp, I'll tell ya, I look at a lot of stuff on the net, Nigal, and watch a lot of Faux News, very little of CNN, a little of MSNBC and listen to news radio when in the car. Point is that I don't see any of the things you speak of. I can't see anything out there being touted as being positive. My logic, as flawed as it might be, sez that it would be in the best interest of the current President to make the positives known, shouted from the highest roof tops. He's in an election with his approval rating going down. Where we had imbeded reporters during the invasion, you only see the aftermaths of the gurilla warfare. Why aren't the reporters "in the street", doing these "feel good stories"? Feel good stories DO draw viewers, not just he bad ones. I would REALLY like to see them. Really! The big networks can not be pointed at as being the meanies, information outlets are very plentyful out there. What are the sources for the good news, Nigal?

BTW - Questioning 'da Man is in my blood. I was raised to ask questions to find out answers, of Government most of all. The history of years of decite from the Government fuels my "can't trust the Government" fire. No, I'm really not a negitive person at all. However, I fight with a vengence in what I believe in, no matter what it is. Insight is all that is intended with this post.”

““Point is that I don't see any of the things you speak of. I can't see anything out there being touted as being positive.”

A while ago a group of our Senators went there to access the need of the big blank check Bush was asking for and they stated that they were AMAZED at what was being done and how different it actually was compared to what was being reported. These were mostly democrat leaders. It was covered by NPR. Why isn’t it getting the play? If it bleeds, it leads. I have very little confidence in the media on either side to preserve the truth.

“My logic, as flawed as it might be, sez that it would be in the best interest of the current President to make the positives known, shouted from the highest roof tops.”

Every single time Bush speaks in public he points out the good things that are going on. Power is coming back on. Water is more available. Schools are being organized. It simply becomes lost as rhetoric and the listener dismisses it.”

“This might be a dead issue, so what it's worth:

I find it very unfortunate that there is not an unbiased source of information in the mainstream media. I think it is also unforunate that people believe, at first sight, what they see on the TV.

You are correct re: "If it bleeds, it leads.....", which is distrubing to say the least, as we become more dumbed down to violence around us. We like car wreaks and the media will give the people what they want.

There are a couple of main reasons I feel they way I do about this situation, besides what I posted above. Again, I'm not the type of person who jumps at conclusions and wild ideas. I take my time and try to gather as much info as possible. A picture is worth a million words, so by Bush telling us that everything is going great guns means nothing. What else would you expect him to say? Bush's media machine (call it propaganda, if you will) IS failing him, by not putting the stories out there for the media to cover.

That's the way that stuff goes. One of the main reasons people became against the war during Vietnam was it was one of the first "TV Wars". It brought the blood shed into the homes at dinner time, just like it is now. Knowing this, Bush's peeps are doing nothing but speak the company line. When I hear the same things come out of 5 different people over the course of many months without hearing from THEM any progress, it starts to sound like wishful thinking. The truth is, at face value, Iraq IS NOT becoming a place where it is safe, if anything, it more dangerous for the people because now they have two sets of people shooting at them, not just one like it used to be.

If Iraq WAS a safer place, the UN and Red Cross would still be in there. Let us remember that the reason they pulled out was they feel that the US cannot provide a safe aea for them to conduct there biz, which is sad. Those people need the support. That's not made up, that's truth.

The "Day of Resistance" this past weekend is a great example. While the Bush people are putting out "Hey, nothing's happening, no one is even in the street!", the Resistance score a big hit on us. One, they caused fear in the people, making them stay at home, scare there heads where going to come off. Second, they accomplished sending more US body bags home. So, where were we successful in heading off this "Day of Resistance" and who are we to believe about what happened. The”

“........The Arab street has gotten more press against the Americans.

Also, I find it quite distrubing that these "outsiders" and "dead-enders" have gotten through the boarders and (I think we can all agree with this) is a problem, why isn't anything done about it? The first thing I would want to do is out MY Militarty in the best possible position for success. THIS hasn't happened, by the FACTS that I can gather.

If the media WAS lying, don't you think something would have been done about that? So they slant the issues, however, the issues was there to be slanted in the first place, no? If it's said that "Five people were killed today in Iraq" but spun by the media as "Five people were killed today in Iraq, let's go to our advisor, Ret, General Joe Blow for his comments on what went wrong", still doesn't change the fact that five people were killed, right? I guess what I'm saying is that behind the spin is the truth.

Everything I have posted about this war has either been:

My own opinion

or

Facts

I try to copy and paste, as much as possible, my info from Faux News, because I want everyone to know, a supposed "Repubician" media outlet is reporting the same stuff that the "Liberial" outlets are.

Just because the story about Afgani I posted was from CNN, made no difference in my reasoning for posting it. I posted it because it directly effect us. Our enemy IS regrouping, the Afgani leader (our boy, mind you) can't even leave his office. This is progress, I ask? Afgani is safe now? I don't see it......

If I come accross a little "terse" (and I really hate using that term), it's because I'm at the point in my life where I feel comfortable expressing my opinions. I'm also sick of having been lied to by the last two Presidents we've had. It has always been my position that we haven't had a good Prez since T. Roosevelt and I'll stand by that conviction.

The other part is that it breaks my phucking heart, everytime I see our peeps getting ripped to bits and look over and see my two sons. I can't imagine the feeling, raising kids up and all the time you spend with them, only to find out that thier destiny wasn't an Astronuat, or (bite my tounge) President, but to die in a far off land. It really makes my heart heavy.

So, because of this, I will fight for a better United States for my people to live in. I hope that we will come to a time in this world where we don't have to kill each other to achive our goals.”

“Attack Dispels Hopes of War's Quick End

BAGHDAD, Iraq — "As we fight this low-intensity conflict," the American general said, "there will be ... more tragedies in the future." Hours later, in the flash of a guerrilla missile, tragedy struck again and the intensity of this American conflict moved up a notch.

The big, lumbering Chinook helicopter (search) that crashed in flames Sunday in the Euphrates River (search) farm country west of here took with it not just the lives of 15 U.S. soldiers, but also any hopes anyone may have harbored that the war in Iraq would end anytime soon.

After six months, the anti-U.S. resistance is smarter, more active, more effective. The American command says it sees growing signs of coordinated planning. Signs of its growing boldness are unmistakable.

In little more than a week, in an arc stretching through the guerrilla belt from north of Baghdad (search) to the west, the insurgents have stunned the U.S. occupation army with one blow after another.

On Oct. 25, they brought down a helicopter for the first time in four months, a Black Hawk of the 4th Infantry Division felled by ground fire at Tikrit, hometown of the fugitive ex-president Saddam Hussein. At sunrise the next day, they battered the occupation's headquarters hotel in Baghdad with a volley of rockets -- fired practically from its doorstep -- forcing out hundreds of U.S. staff members.

Two days later, last Tuesday, an Abrams tank, 68-ton symbol of U.S. Army might, was destroyed for the first time during the six-month-old occupation, blown off the road by an insurgent land mine or makeshift bomb north of Baghdad.

Then, on Sunday, a guerrilla gunner -- apparently armed with a shoulder-fired, heat-seeking missile and positioned in a date-palm grove -- shot the Chinook out the skies, the biggest U.S. military target yet.

The intensity is seen not just in the targets, but in the numbers.

The average number of attacks, around 12 a day in midsummer, reached 33 a day by late October. In seven weeks of war in March and April, 114 Americans were killed in combat. But even more -- some 140 U.S. military personnel -- have been killed in action since President Bush declared "major combat" ended on May 1.

In Washington, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has begun talking of a "long, hard slog" ahead. The rhetoric among the American leadership in Baghdad is hardening, too, as they try to steel the resolve of their Iraqi and coalition allies, of the American public, of the American soldier.

"They believe they can drain the coalition of its will by inflicting a steady stream of casualties. They are wrong," the U.S. occupation chief, L. Paul Bremer, declared at a Baghdad news conference Saturday evening.

At the same session, the overall U.S. commander here, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, marshaled such words as "difficulty," "sacrifice" and "perseverance" as he spoke of the road ahead.

"Undoubtedly, as we continue to fight this low-intensity conflict, there will be more obstacles, more setbacks, and more tragedies in the future," Sanchez said Saturday.

The very next day was deadlier for U.S. forces than any but one since the fighting in Iraq began.

As they move ahead, Sanchez's aides say, their most urgent need is for intelligence, better, quicker information from cooperative Iraqis about who is organizing the attacks, and where and when. Right now, Sanchez acknowledged, "I can't give you an answer."

Increasingly, as well, the Baghdad command is pushing to shift the security burden onto Iraqis themselves -- police, paramilitary civil defense, urban security guards. Bremer said Saturday he would accelerate their training and deployment.

But cooperative Iraqi informants may prove difficult to enlist in the zone of resistance around Baghdad, where resentment of the U.S. occupation runs deep. And Iraqi security forces -- hastily trained, underpaid, themselves often resentful of the Americans -- may prove a thin shield for a large foreign army far from home, an army whose troops travel in vulnerable convoys and low-flying Chinooks.

Thus far the attacks on his formidable, 130,000-member army have been "strategically insignificant," Gen. Sanchez said. But their political significance, inevitably, will grow.

"They believe they can drain the coalition of its will by inflicting a steady stream of casualties. They are wrong," the U.S. occupation chief, L. Paul Bremer, declared at a Baghdad news conference Saturday evening.

At the same session, the overall U.S. commander here, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, marshaled such words as "difficulty," "sacrifice" and "perseverance" as he spoke of the road ahead.

"Undoubtedly, as we continue to fight this low-intensity conflict, there will be more obstacles, more setbacks, and more tragedies in the future," Sanchez said Saturday.

The very next day was deadlier for U.S. forces than any but one since the fighting in Iraq began.

As they move ahead, Sanchez's aides say, their most urgent need is for intelligence, better, quicker information from cooperative Iraqis about who is organizing the attacks, and where and when. Right now, Sanchez acknowledged, "I can't give you an answer."

Increasingly, as well, the Baghdad command is pushing to shift the security burden onto Iraqis themselves -- police, paramilitary civil defense, urban security guards. Bremer said Saturday he would accelerate their training and deployment.

But cooperative Iraqi informants may prove difficult to enlist in the zone of resistance around Baghdad, where resentment of the U.S. occupation runs deep. And Iraqi security forces -- hastily trained, underpaid, themselves often resentful of the Americans -- may prove a thin shield for a large foreign army far from home, an army whose troops travel in vulnerable convoys and low-flying Chinooks.

Thus far the attacks on his formidable, 130,000-member army have been "strategically insignificant," Gen. Sanchez said. But their political significance, inevitably, will grow.

Back in Washington, the Pentagon has banned photographs of the arriving coffins of U.S. dead. In Iraq, at the site of the helicopter shootdown, American troops tried to confiscate news photographers' digital camera disks. No matter: The picture from Iraq, day by day, will grow sharp and clear.

"We have to be realistic," Bremer said after learning of Sunday's heavy toll. "We're in a war here."






Look at this line and tell me that's a good thing:

Back in Washington, the Pentagon has banned photographs of the arriving coffins of U.S. dead. In Iraq, at the site of the helicopter shootdown, American troops tried to confiscate news photographers' digital camera disks. No matter: The picture from Iraq, day by day, will grow sharp and clear.


Censored? Look like it....”

“"Also, I find it quite distrubing that these "outsiders" and "dead-enders" have gotten through the boarders and (I think we can all agree with this) is a problem, why isn't anything done about it?"

This is a problem. When we fight Muslims they all show up. In Afganistan, birch's friend PJ had told him of how he was fighting Asians, Croats, and Arabs of all kinds. I personally feel we should have not been talking about shock and awe...we should have been practicing shock and awe.”

“Let us not forget about those wacky Chetchens too. They'll put a cap in yo ass for forgetin' 'bout them!

PJ also had a good story about how they would find the guys trying to ambush 'em. They'd look fer the small gathering and smell the Opium and it would give'em away everytime. Guess they'd like to get real good and stoned before they went to vist Alla!”

“HALLIBURTON CONTRACT EXTENSION CANCELLED AMID ALLEGATIONS OF OVERCHARGING
TAXPAYERS

The Army Corps of Engineers is "likely" to cancel the no-bid contract
extension granted a week ago to Halliburton for delivery of oil-related
services amid allegations that Halliburton is overcharging the federal
government to import oil into Iraq. The decision to revisit the contract
extension comes in part due to the assertions from inside the Pentagon that
Halliburton's price for imported gasoline was "at least double what it
should be."


http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df11062003.html”

“The embellishments of this administration is sicking:

Jessica Lynch Laments Military Portrayal


PALESTINE, W.Va. — Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch (search) said the U.S. military was wrong to manipulate the story of her dramatic rescue and should not have filmed it in the first place.

The 20-year-old private said in a taped TV interview that she was bothered by the military's portrayal of her ordeal.

"They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff," she said in an excerpt from the interview.

"It hurt in a way that people would make up stories that they had no truth about," she said.

She also said there was no reason for her rescue from an Iraqi hospital to be filmed. "It's wrong," she said.

The former Army supply clerk suffered broken bones and other injuries when her maintenance convoy was attacked in the Iraqi town of Nasiriyah (search) on March 23. U.S. forces rescued Lynch at a Nasiriyah hospital April 1.

Early reports had Lynch fighting her attackers until she ran out of ammunition and suffering knife and bullet wounds. Military officials later acknowledged that Lynch wasn't shot, but was hurt after her Humvee utility vehicle was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and crashed into another vehicle.

Lynch said she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that her gun jammed during the chaos. "I'm not about to take credit for something I didn't do," she said.

"I did not shoot, not a round, nothing ... I went down praying to my knees. And that's the last I remember."

Lynch said she was terrified and feared for her life during her time in the Iraqi hospital, and didn't believe she was being rescued until she was being evacuated in a U.S. helicopter. Then, Lynch said, she felt, "My God, this is real. I'm going home."

Footage of the rescue was aired repeatedly on television networks reporting how a special forces team bravely fought into and out of the hospital.

"I don't think it happened quite like that," Lynch said.

But she praised the soldiers who rescued her. "They're the ones that came in to rescue me. Those are my heroes ... I'm so thankful that they did what they did. They risked their lives. They didn't know, you know, who was in there."

On Thursday, newspaper reports revealed Lynch had been raped during her capture. The assault was revealed in Lynch's authorized biography — "I am a Soldier, Too: The Jessica Lynch Story." (search) The 207-page book will be released by publisher Alfred A. Knopf on Tuesday, Veterans Day.

Lynch said she has no recollection of the attack. "Even just the thinking about that, that's too painful," she said.”

“Protestor subpoenas Ashcroft, Bush adviser

COLUMBIA, South Carolina (AP) -- A man charged with entering a restricted area during an October 2002 presidential visit has subpoenaed U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft and Bush political adviser Karl Rove to testify at his trial next week.

Activist Brett Bursey, 55, said Thursday the men's testimony would show that the Bush administration tries to "sanitize" areas of dissent around the president during visits across the country.

Assistant U.S. Attorney John Barton, who is handling the case, did not immediately return a telephone call. White House spokesman Taylor Gross said Rove had not been served with the subpoena and declined further comment. The trial is set for Wednesday.

Bursey originally was charged by local authorities with trespassing when he refused to move to a "free-speech zone" at the Columbia airport. That charge was dropped, but the Justice Department decided to prosecute Bursey five months later under a statute that allows the U.S. Secret Service to restrict access to areas during the president's travels. He faces up to six months in prison and a $5,000 fine if convicted.

"We intend to find out from Mr. Ashcroft why and how the decision to prosecute Mr. Bursey was reached," said Lewis Pitts, Bursey's lawyer.

Bursey has said he was arrested because he was carrying a sign that read "No War for Oil" and contends others with pro-Bush placards were allowed to stay in the area.

The U.S. attorney's office has said Bursey was arrested not for what his sign said but for where he was carrying it.

Bursey, who began protesting war and inequities in the 1960s, attached $400 checks to the subpoenas for fees and mileage.

Source = CNN.com”

“good God man, get out and hike once inna while!

just post a bunch of political diatribe and nothing about backpacking since you'll be walking down the trail alone with your *$#&$^ in your hand........

sound familiar?”

“Just so you know, any party to a suit can issue a subpoena simply by going to the Clerk's office, the mere issuance of one does not mean that it will be enforced, in all probability this one will be quashed.”

“Strat - Yep! I've been telling ya to gets on the trail of a while there, Mr. Phucking Obvious!

If ya took ma ad vice, you'd be on the trail by now, not waisting yer time waiting for me to post snappy come backs to yer lame rebuttles....”

“Oh, what a great, old thread! Oh, how I've missed thee.....


Phuck W!

I don't care if you don't vote for Kerry, just come on out and VOTE!



People, these are some serious times we live in today. You and I might have grown fat and happy over the years and have forgotten struggle, pain and going without. I try to keep myself humble by remembering the trials that my grandparents went through, the trying times when parents were worried about putting food on the table. I'm not saying that these times are now, quite the reverse. We do live in good times. We do have food on the table. We do have a good car to drive without breaking down. You and I live much better in our bad times, than anybody else in the countries history in their bad times. We are not going from place to place, looking for food, but we are looking for work.

Have we become toooooo fat and happy? Do we really know when "we got it bad"? Times are "bad" now, but really, how bad are they?

1. The world is pissed at us.

2. We have increased unemployment and more grandparents that should be worry about when their flight leaves for their cruise, working at Wallie World.

3. We have a growing amount of illegals in this country. These people should have to go through the same process as everyone else, no exceptions.

4. We have a growing situation were we are becoming more accepting of big bidness influance on our lives, we are ruled by these people and it will be our undoing in the future, mark my words.

5. We have allowed the Middle East to run unchecked in regards to oil.

6. We have allowed our country to be influance by FEAR! How many times must I be told that the boogy man is out there?

7. Notice how the changes inthe threat level have stopped since it was brought to light the fact that they (the repubs) were using this as a lever to sway the people (disgusting, at least).

8. We have been loosing many, many people in this war, Iraqis and Americans, that didn't need to lose their lives had this been done the right way.

9. We should be taking this opp to take the next step and a world leader! They have done nothing but bend you and I over and give us a good one, all the while giving us a smile!

10. Everybody on the right trying to play the "you're an intollerant card" to the left. GIVE ME A #&%!$ING BREAK! You guys make me sick to my tummy! Yep, I took the opp this past month to take a break off of TT and observe you guys and how you work. Masterfull would be the term your looking for, but you failed, most of all you StoveStomper. You tried to come across as being "I don't want to get involved" many moon ago, but at every opp presently, you pounce. At least the likes of the group came out and confronted this issue, but not you. You #&%!$ footed around, acting innocent, then tried to pound and troll everything you could. You, sir, are one of THE worst jokes (right up there with bacpac) on this board, and my only sorrow comes from the fact that you didn't step up and take on the bet. You are a coward. A low-life SOB that plays both sides ever since you came on this board.”

“dont hold back laqqy. its not good for your health. tell us how you really feel
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“CB - Dood! It's good to see you back in one piece. I never stopped bragging about you to everyone I know. You did good!”

“Scott - reset the date range and reflect on the past. :)”

“i just did that. this thread is classic”