A Hunting we will go......

“Wabbit twacks Be vewy vewy quite.”

“In Montana, we used to hunt every season as soon as I was old enough to go out with my dad. I really loved hiking with him because he was respectful of the environment and the animals. There were so many available then and having an elk and/or deer hanging in the gargage during winter was great food for my other 4 sibs and me. (Not a prominent family.)

As I matured, I learned that downing an animal ment the hike was over and the work now begins. I really like just being out among the critters and finding interesting rocks, provided the snow isn't on the ground.

I'll eat the critters if I need to, but now with the cost of ammo, gas, tags, it's really not justified anymore. Besides, now that I live in Washington, I'd really rather not be out there with some of the idiots that now drive everywhere! Sheesh! It's a damned war zone!



Besides, I just really like being out there!”

“Most public wildlands in PA are open to hunting except in certain safety zones near picnic areas and such. Deer are doing a lot of damage to the forest according to land managers and hunting is away to bring things back in balance, I suppose. Farmers and other people that have land will let you hunt on it if you ask. You should be respectful while hunting there and offer to share your game with them.”

“A Hunting we will go......
high ho to kill a doe....
A hunting we will go”

“IF you don't like what I have to say, then don't read it. I'm entitled to my opinion and your the moron for condeming me for having an opinion. Since when does posting an opinion, and a valid one at that, give you or anyone the right to put someone down....I may mess around, and have fun (sometimes at anothers expense) but I sense NO humor in your post. you know what...go bite yourself...


Thanks Jmitch...for being supportive of my opinion...Hey chief...ahhhh....never mind...neanderthals, think the same.

God made man to kill everything...and you know what...we are doing a darn fine job too. How many species has "Hunting" wiped out? Yeah...lets all hunt, till there.s nothing left to hunt...then we can hunt each other...cause you know what...thats whats gonna happen...

heres the scenario...

Im hiking along, and I see a massive Elk...at first, I admire it and say...WOW thats awsome!, then I un-shoulder the big rifle and scope the target...its no longer a gorgeous wild and free animal...its a TARGET!!! plain and simple, I sight it and pull the trigger...BLAM!!! the beautiful creature in the beautiful woods, is now a bloody defiled mess!!!

Yeah...thats cool...I wanna do that...I'll shoot everythign I see, till theres nothing left to see. cool...yep...cool...I'm a MAN...I kill things...ubba gubba...dang cromagnums...”

“Believe it or not stik, not all of us go out and kill everything we see just to kill it.

I was raised that you only shoot what you will eat, and that's the way I still do it today. I hunt deer, elk, partridge, and pheasant, and I also fish. Tell me, is fishing cruel to you too, or is it OK.”

“stikmon, I thought that I addressed your issues respectfully and factually, not childishly. I do respect your opinon, and assume you do mine.

In Maine hunting is close to a religion. I don't know any careless, illegal or drunk hunters.

Its the idea that it's ok to eat chemically enhanced poorly treated slaughterhouse critters who live a so-so life, but not ok to eat organic wild critters who've lived the good life - the life we try to emulate through backpacking. How would you prefer to die?

I always tell my mom (who worries when I go out into the woods) that I'd rather die doing something I enjoy than something I do to survive. The analogy is a deer dying of starvation (me dying sitting at my desk) vs hunting (me dying while backpacking). Does that make sense?

I don't believe in "god" but do believe that "man" as a whole has learned about wiping out spieces.

It has nothing to do with actually being a 'man' as many women hunt and fish as well. Maine's first registered Maine Guide - the most respected of outdoorsmen - was a woman.”

“"Animals don't hunt us.

We shouldn't hunt them."
UnDeAd fLeSh EaTiNg ViOLiN
01:56:27 PM
10/23/03

i totally agree. and what's more, vegetables don't eat us, so we shouldn't eat them. i adhere to a completely cruelty-free diet - i only eat organism-free dirt, rocks, and leaves that have fallen off of trees.”

“How would violin put it? Oh yeah:

YHBT. YHL. HAND.”

“but I wonder...is that rumbling sound as we drive over rocks really screaming...”

“i'm a nimrod. i don't get it.”

“When I'm hunting women, I prefer that the fat chicks wear orange.”

“LMAO @ buddha bear!”

“LOL, Stik, you're too funny!!! I'm mean,,,come on,,, quit shooting holes in our arguement with rebutt's like that. That's bulletproof, man.

Did any of you avid HIKERS know that this is the cenntenial year for the NWR. That stands for National Wildlife Refuge if you forgot.

There are over 540 refuges and at least one in each state if you didn't know.

To date,
this year over 3100 acres have been protected. $3.7 million in funds generated from the Duck Stamp and since it's inception in '34 and estimated $675 million was used to purchase more than 5 million acres.

-N.D. has the most NWR's w/64
-Minn. has the smallest tract, .5ac
-AK. has more than 85% of the +95 million acres NWR encompasses.

Hunters contribute in many ways.

Personally, we could use alittle more management of the wildlife in certain area.”

“I wish hunters would kill the 12 or so deer in my backyard. I'm tired of shooting them with my BB gun. They're trashing my mountain laurel.”

“Desensitizing children to the suffering of others is a dangerous lesson. According to FBI profilers, the American Psychiatric Association, law enforcement officials, and child advocacy organizations, cruelty to animals is a warning sign commonly seen in people who eventually direct violence toward humans.

"In an era of school shootings and hate crimes, it is folly to encourage young boys to harm innocent animals," says PETA's Dawn Carr. "The Boy Scouts are supposed to be compassionate role models, not bloodthirsty killers."”

“Today, hunting, which was a crucial part of survival 100,000 years ago, is nothing more than a violent form of recreation that is unnecessary for the subsistence of the vast majority of hunters. Hunting has contributed to the extinction of animal species all over the world, including the Tasmanian tiger and the great auk.

Although less than 5 percent of the U.S. population hunts, it is permitted in many wildlife refuges, national forests and state parks, and other public lands. Forty percent of hunters kill animals on public land, which means that every year, on the half-billion acres of public land in the U.S., millions of animals who “belong” to the more than 95 percent of Americans who do not hunt are slaughtered and maimed by hunters.”

“Sorry I can't make the Arkansas hike, I will be hunting.”

“I'm trying to ubderstand why I got so ticked off because normally I don't bite.

First off, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. If hunting upsets your personal aesthetic sensibilities, I understand and respect that. What I find deeply offensive is the superior moral tone that some people assume.

The ethical and conservation issues are long dead. The eternally outraged must now personally denigrate people whose personal ethic they dislike. This means they must treat hunters (and perhaps others) as bearded, illiterate oafs who abuse their legal rights. I am personally insulted by this attitude simply because it is a personal insult to myself, my friends and my community.

It would be beneath my dignity to offer my own cultural or educational credentials in this context; I have nothing to prove.

Let's move on.

Doug (Gremlin) Murdoch

P.s. I regret the remark about feeding tiny bark boxes by fat people in apartments. Not everyone can be healthy and everyone has a right to seek affection somewhere without some smart-arsed school teacher (me) dumping on them. -D”

“BB - trouble with that plan is that color blindness sets in after about eight beers.”

“Cool, Stik, we can discuss it over Makers'Mark at Savage Gulf next weekend. Your argument/opinion is full of gaping holes. If you don't like hunting, that's fine with me, but your generalizations ARE moronic and unfounded.”

“Next weekend?”

“Whoops, wrong hike. It'll have to wait 'till January. Hold that thought, stikky...”

“snafu, you're cool!

Gremlin, you gettin' soft?
(snicker)”

“"The Boy Scouts are supposed to be compassionate role models, not bloodthirsty killers." huh? does this have to do with hunting, cause thats not an approved actiivity....”

“"The Boy Scouts are supposed to be compassionate role models, not bloodthirsty killers." huh? does this have to do with hunting? cause thats not an approved activity....”

“Hunting was an approved activity when I was a boy scout...I got the merit badge to prove it. Actually, it is a shooting merit badge but the means to the end were tacit.”

“....really people...hunting? People still pursue this archaic activity.

There is absolutely no reason we need to take arms and go hunting. This was acceptable behaviour many many years ago. Cro-Magnon's and Neanderthal's had a "need" to hunt. Today, we have no "need" to hunt. The very act of hunting is defined as the pursuit for food. The term "hunter" is clearly defined as a person who hunts game.

There is no need to pursue or hunt for game (food) in the wild any more. Wake up people...those days are over. Now-a-days the proper thing to do is drive down to your local grocer and pick-up a six pack of ribs...throw them on the barby and waa-laa....dinner is ready. NO...we don't grab the shotgun...and go out back into the woods and start blasting everything and anything that moves.

It's kinda funny actually but here's a stereotypical description of the people who are associated with the culture of hunting as we know it today......and these are in no particular order....and btw...this is not my view but what society has defined and categorized as a "hunter"...

1. First and foremost....white trash
2. Missing teeth
3. NASCAR lovers
4. Wears camo to church or for that matter all the time
5. Gets more enjoyment reading the Sunday comics than reading the New York Times....in fact they probably never seen or touched a NYTimes
6. Lives in trailer parks
7. Drinks alcohol daily...preferrably beer probably Budweiser
8. Musical tastes...Heavy Metal...mostly likely still thinks Led Zepplin is still touring...and probably doesn't know who Stravinsky is....
9. Drives a pickup truck...

Now...remember...this isn't what I think...it's what our great society has defined as a person who is imbedded in the culture of hunting.....right or wrong...this is what the majority believe.

My opinion....hunting has no place in our society. It has it's need in places where survival is solely dependent on it. So, the only hunting that you'll see me doing is at the local Piggly Wiggly.”

“"...this is what the majority believe."
stratusloop
11:21:49 AM
10/24/03

...yawn...and you know this how???”

“The Canadian came back out, Tom.”

“....because it's the truth...that's all you need to know...this isnt't a condusive forum for formal presentations....just open your eyes and ears....you'll be enlightened....”

“There are millions of hunters from all walks of life in this country. I take it you've personally conducted an exhaustive poll of the American populace...please spare me your generalizations...”

“2. Missing teeth (does having a tooth capped count?)

3. NASCAR lovers (hmmmm Jeff # 24)

5. Gets more enjoyment reading the Sunday comics than reading the New York Times....in fact they probably never seen or touched a NYTimes (that garfiel craks me up)

6. Lives in trailer parks (well don't live in one but I live across from a PARK)

7. Drinks alcohol daily...preferrably beer probably Budweiser (hell yeas!!)

8. Musical tastes...Heavy Metal...mostly likely still thinks Led Zepplin is still touring...and probably doesn't know who Stravinsky is....(Zep broke up??)

9. Drives a pickup truck...(well a station wagon)


so I guess im a redneck errr a hunter at heart..”

“...I forgot to add another...and i'll be kind and use your term....generalization....it's narrow minded....your way or no way.....that's the way you process your pea sized brain....

You really should become educated with what our society perceives certain activities such as hunting, fishing and even hiking and backpacking....this is a fact....stereotypes, generalizations or whatever term you want to use are attached to these activities whether you like it or not. And for you to make statements to degrade or sugar coat it is rather silly on your part. I thought you were an intelligent human being and well versed in American Culture and what people really think. You my friend live under a rock....try getting out and in contact with the populous and hear what they really say....you may not like what you hear but it's the truth. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it....”

“That PETA propaganda quote was in reference to the Fishing Merit Badge and PETA trying to browbeat the BSA into dropping it.

Hunting has not been allowed as a BSA activity for many years now.”

“Zep ain;t touring no more!!!! since WHEN????

and camo in CHURCH...you gotta be kidding me...REALLY???? no WAY!!!!

NASCAR...now you've really stepped over the line buddy...I LOVE nascar!!! got #3 stikers all over my pickemup.

Dang steenkin yankee...I'll knock yer dang teef out whin I sees ya, I sher will, I rekin.”

“So it is OK to kill and eat an animal that has been bred purely for food. But to kill and eat a wild/free animal is not OK.

That was an argument used in the later stages of slavery in the US when importing slaves was prohibited but born a slave always a slave.

How do you spell hypocrite, if you create the demand for dead animal products you are at least as guilty as the person weilding the knife.
Hunters at least accept their own responsibility.

What role in society do you ascribe to the farmers who 'grow' your food, and by proxy do your killing. Pretty low from the veal thread.

Yes you have a right to your opinion, but do not expect me to have any respect for you, when you casts slurs against the very people who do your dirty work so you can eat. I suppose you also look down on your mother because she engaged in carnal pursuits with your father.

Your statements also show how much you do not know about the subject you despise.”

“....Stik...that my friend just proves my point...you indeed know that stereotypes apply to "hunters" and almost every other category....think about it....if we were talking about a person who loves the Opera....now what stereotypes would you think are associated with that culture...like I said...you make not like it but if the shoe fits then wear it buddy...”

“I can only say that you evidently have a very narrow circle of acquaintances...and I prefer cigars.”

“I just bought some cigars...I need a woman to go along with the cigars...”

“come on laugh at what I posted damnit!!


sorry stik I dont smoke, but i will keep you company ~wink~”

“....you have now succeeded in proving my point. Stereotypes are applied to hunters whether you like it or not. And BTW...I forgot to add one....

10. Shops at Wal-Mart

Now roll that in your filthy cigar and toke it....”

“See??? Stik and I can agree on cigars...”

“All you hikers that are so opposed to hunting need to ask yourselves one question. Where do you thing the revenue comes from to keep the forests open for hiking? It sure isn't from fees that are charged for using the trails.”

“Dammit!
They have photos of my resistance fighters!”

“My cigars are clean. I, like millions of other Americans, shop at (and am employed by) Wal Mart, the world's largest employer (that is a quantifiable fact, unlike the garbage that you spew). It's a great money-laundering scheme. Wally-World giveth, and Wally-World taketh away.

It is you, my friend, who is the sanctimonious dip#&%!$.”

“Did some body say something? I must have had the heavy metal music up too load while I was blasting every critter in sight.

Actually I find hunting to be quite enjoyable. I find that I notice much more wildlife while I’m sitting under a tree that when I’m hiking up some trail. I fact just last weekend I had four deer come up over a rocky knob and stand only 20 feet away for about ten minutes. I didn’t shoot them because they were all doe and it is illegal to shoot a deer that isn’t a buck, where I was hunting. I saw two more deer during the rest of the day. By sunset I hadn’t shot anything because I didn’t see anything I could legally shoot, but that was fine. For me hunting isn’t the act of shooting an animal, it is getting outside and enjoying nature. I just happen to be carrying a gun.”

“great place to work

I want to work here”