A Hunting we will go......

“Actually, ML, Sam's Club is the way to go. Look it up at dot com....”

“It seems to me that the people actually trained and educated in wildlife management see a need for controlled hunting. Seasons, types of hunts, special hunts and other mechanisms are used each year to carefully balance the herd to conditions that will support the numbers.

In the 60's, it was estimated there were fewer than 100,000 deer in TN. By 2000, the herd was over a Million. It was not only larger, it was healthier and in better balance as well.

A complete ban on hunting, IMHO, would have a tremendous negative impact on the wildlife the anti hunters want to protect.

Most wildlife poplulations in the entire US have favorably increased through balanced management. I have faith that those people trained to make those decisions are capable of making the right decisions.

All IMHO.

On a side note......


"I have not been hunting in the last couple of years, but I have committed to opening weekend in two weeks with some old friends."
bacpac
01:39:50 PM
10/23/03

WTF have you been doing for two weeks in deer camp the past couple years?


Wait,,,,I don't want to know.”

“The statistics are in...hunting is on the decline...it is more better to "shoot" with a camera than with a gun...


"The End is in Sight," Says The Fund for Animals, as New Government Report Charts the Continuing Decline of Hunting in America
May 21, 2002
circulation: 238,462


A SILVER SPRING, MD -- Proclaiming that "The end of hunting is in sight," The Fund for Animals, a national animal protection group, is celebrating yesterday's release of preliminary results from a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) report showing that the number of hunters in the U.S. declined by 7% between 1996 and 2001. During the same five years, the number of wildlife watchers, people who enjoy wildlife without harming them, increased by 5%.
This latest in a series of reports issued every five years documents a continuing trend. According to the USFWS, in 1985 there were 16.7 million hunters in the U.S, while in 2001 there were only 13 million, a decline of 22% over fifteen years. This led Heidi Prescott, national director of The Fund for Animals, to comment that, "These are long-term trends, not just a blip in the numbers, and we're delighted to see that more and more people are trading their guns for cameras."
The USFWS results showed the largest declines in "small game" (22%) and "other animal" hunting (31%). According to Norm Phelps, a program coordinator at The Fund and author of the report Body Count: The Death Toll in America's War on Wildlife, "The decline is taking place primarily among hunters of small game. Since they kill many more animals than big game hunters, we can expect the total number of hunting victims to decline as well."
Michael Markarian, executive vice president of The Fund, noted that, "Hunters now make up only 4.6% of the population, compared to the 31% who are wildlife watchers. It's time for the Fish and Wildlife Service and state wildlife agencies to start paying attention to their own numbers and stop catering to a tiny special interest group. Wildlife belongs to everyone, not just the few people who hunt."
Concluded Prescott, "Over a decade ago, T.A. Heberlein and E.J. Thomson, experts on hunting demographics at the University of Wisconsin, predicted that by 2050, sport hunting could well cease to exist. This latest report shows that they were right on target. The end of hunting is no more than a generation away."
The Fund for Animals was founded in 1967 by best-selling author and humanitarian Cleveland Amory (The Cat Who Came for Christmas, Ranch of Dreams).


I'm currently doing a search to come up with an "FBI styled" profile of a hunter...not something that STrat or I are making up.

FG and all the rest...it is absolutly true that "society" creates these pseudo profiles that certain groups fit into...its unfortunate, but true, and hunters (and it may be underserved in many cases) fit into a certain group, and its not a popular group.

I'm not saying that that is correct, to reiterate, it just IS.

heres a true story that happened to me...

I was in the rockies with another person...we were hiking along, and spotted 2 bull elk head butting and showin off for a female...I was in awe and amazement, I stood transfixed knowing that this wasn't film, I was witnessing the glory of God and nature...live and in technicolor...the person I was with stood next to me and said..."man, I wish I had my rifle...I could get both of em".

That comment right then, blew my mind...I wanted to slap him. I just wanted to get away from him...it was time to go. so we left and I haven't been in the woods with him again...

Its kind of like...hey thats a huge tree, I think I'll cut it down and make some furniture...sacriledge.

When I find my profile, I'll post it.”

“Pumkin, I did not go to deer camp last year. I didn't even buy a license.”

“funny stuff...who the heck are you, and when can we get together? I'll rub gun oil on you, if you rub it on me.”

“I agree on that last part stikmon. To see an animal as a kill while hunting is one thing, but enjoy the beauty of the beast for what it is when you're not.”

“I stand corrected, bacpac. I was under the impression you took off two weeks for deer camp last fall,,,and the year before.”

“please tell me that "Deer Camp" is just a joke?


ok
you sit in a tree for two days freezing your butt off and shoot at anything that comes across your path.

ok give me my $200.00 for that little lessen.”

“Peace, Stikky. I'm sorry I denigrated your outlook. Yeah, I would've slapped the bastard too, in that instance. There is a time and place for hunting, IMHO. We can get intoxicated (oh, hell, now I'm the sterotypical, toothless redneck) and discuss it at length by a campfire visible from Pluto in January.

BTW, I prefer jazz and classical music...oh yeah, and Latin guitar...”

“Bear season coincides with Deer season this year. I could use a new rug.

Murderous Leeches, You forgot the part where we all get a head full of whiskey before we load our weapons and go hunting.”

“LOL bacpac”

“I hear bear meat really sucks...”

“I heard it can contain trichina as well.”

“It’s the second week of deer camp
And all the guys are here
We sit play cards and shoot the bull
But never shoot no deer
The only time we leave for camp
Is when we go for beer
The second week of deer camp
The greatest time of year

-Dah UPers”

“LOL...”

“My wife's uncle paid big bucks last year to go on a paid hunt in South Alabama. Didn't get his buck.

A week or so after he came home, he stepped out on his back porch, saw a big buck in the field behind his house, went back in for his rifle, and bagged the buck.”

“DOLLARS: FROM HUNTERS, FOR WILDLIFE

State Licenses, Tags and Permits
New York was the first state to require a hunting license in 1908. By 1928 every state was benefiting from a dedicated source of funding for the new science of wildlife management, totally supported by hunting licenses. In 2000 15.1 million licensed hunters contributed over $580 million to state fish and wildlife agencies. Combined with fishing license sales, that total exceeded $1 billion. Since 1923, sales of state hunting license, tags, and permits have provided more than 9.1 billion toward wildlife management, habitat, acquisition, enhancement, conservation law enforcement, shooting range, construction and hunter education.

Federal Duck Stamps
Legislation authorizing the Federal Duck Stamp Program was passed in 1934. Since that time hunters have provided well over $500 million for wetland purchase and protection through this program. The preliminary report from 2000 indicates over 1.7 million stamps were sold, and the revenue generated by the sales of the duck stamps totaled over $25.2 million.

Federal Aid In Wildlife Restoration Act of 1937
Better known today as the Pittman-Robertson (P-R) Act, this law imposes an 11% excise tax on firearms and ammunition, an 11% excise tax on certain archery equipment, and a 10% tax on pistols and revolvers. The P-R Act was adopted with the strong backing of sportsmen in response to wildlife population declines caused in large part by land use effects on wildlife habitat. P-R funds support wildlife management, hunter education programs and shooting range development. In 200 P-R funds totaled 167.8 million. Since its enactment sixty years ago, the P-R Act has distributed over $3.8 billion to state fish and wildlife agencies.

VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS
Millions of American hunters donate money, time, and hard work toward the conservation of wildlife and other renewable resources. This takes place through local club projects, state conservation and hunting organizations, and many national associations. Conservative estimates of monetary and in-kind donations exceed tens of millions annually.

OUR NATION'S ECONOMY
The 1996 National Survey of Fishing, Hunting and Wildlife Associated Recreation conducted every five years reports that in 1996 hunting expenditures alone totaled $20.6 billion. Hunting equipment expenditures were $11.3 billion, trip-related expenses totaled $5.2 billion, and other expenses such as land leases, membership dues and licenses, totaled $4.1 billion. Hundreds of thousands of jobs throughout numerous industries in the United States depend upon these hunting-related expenditures every year.

THE FINAL TALLY
Hunters through all these various revenue sources, now provide over $745.2 million annually for wildlife conversation and hunter education. Combined with fishing and trapping licenses, and taxes as well, the total sport's contribution for 2000 was over $3.7 billion.”

“How much has PETA contributed to wildlife conservation lately...???”

“Wildlife conversation???

Jeesh...”

“...you can sit there lobbing cutesy little sarcasm all you want....it don't make no never mind to me....the fact remains...you're a hunter and the stereotype applies whether you like jazz or latin guitar or not....it just doesn't matter...if you call yourself a hunter then the stereotypes and generalizations will always apply...is this right? NO...but it's the truth.”

“if you call yourself a hunter then the stereotypes and generalizations will always apply

So much for any semblance of credibility. LOL!”

“statusloop, most racism finds itself deeply rooted in the types of generalizations you are making.


All hunters are sterotyped. What a crock of #&%!$.

I guess because we are backpackers, we should be have the sterotype of a long haired granola muncher apply?


What a crock. I sit in our upper management meetings with the minds and souls driving a Billion dollar enterprise and I don't see that sterotype. However, several of them are know as avid outdoors types with several years of backpacking.

I cringe to think about what you must think of rural southern blacks.

Or poor white farm families.

When people can use their brains to the point they can lay aside some archaic sterotype, maybe this planet will somehow become a better place to live.”

“...aaahhh....I never said I agree with the stereotypes. Soooo...sorry to break up your attempt to attack my character. In the immortal words of Lt Dan from Forrest Gump...."NOW HEAR THIS"....I don't believe in stereotypes...however, our narrow minded society does indeed attach stereotypes to everything. That's the point i'm making. I'm not perpetuating them, i'm only pointing them out and simply stating the facts.

Also, if you've ever studied the art of Statistics, there are theorems which account for exceptions. Your so called association with upper management types is technically invalid to be cited as an example of being exempt. They may avoid 90% of the stereotypes. However, there's still the other 10%. Your logic is flawed.

BTW....don't cringe when you attempt to think about what I or any other person may think. Your wasting your time.”

“...I have a theory.

It usually makes me spare when your typical, smug Canadian (oh yes we are) dumps on our Cousins to the South (CttS) for the @$$holes that we meet. Okay, there are more American a-holes than Canadian beacause there are MORE Americans (10:1), but I have come to believe that the percentage is about the same.

I have also come to believe that if we could ever determine what that percentage is it would be about the same for just about every group: Americans, Canadians, hunters, backpackers, socialists, capitalists, environmentalists, landgrabbers and name your race or religion.

Uh, this means you - in fact, it means me and it means us.

God bless and help us all.

Please have a good week-end and do no harm.

Doug (Gremlin) Murdoch”

“While there is a kernel of truth in every stereotype, if one cannot see beyond the stereotype, one diminishes oneself by confining oneself to a very, very small world.

Good night.”

“OK,I didn't wade through this whole thread, but I will weigh in on it.

In the Midwest, at least, there is a huge overabundance of deer. Would you like to know what part of that problem is? There are people who don't allow hunting... and there are people who just rent out their land on a very restricted basis for hunting. Do you know what that means? That is where the deer go. It means they are not being hunted as in the past. Trust me, this is true throughout the Midwest.

So the deer population increases and increases and increases and increases. Depending on the winter, they become real nuisances, eating up trees and bushes on people's farms. They don't have enough food. They reach up into tree branches. They kill trees.

As one particularly harsh winter ended, I did a story on the deer problem it left. I found out a lot from the DNR people, who are NOT out to just kill deer. I heard the story of a deer who died on the south-facing doorsteps of a person's home, apparently from eating too much of some bush that was poison to it.

Deer need to be hunted. Unfortunately for hikers and backpackers at this time of year -- and November and December -- that puts hunters into public lands all over the place. Just plan accordingly. Find a national park or somewhere to go. Be sure to wear blaze orange.

I used to be all against hunting. I still think way too many deer hunters are on a "bender" away from the wives, in search of that "30-point buck." I would even wear bright clothes to get my mail at my rural mail box.

However, I have had enough car-deer misses -- and, yes, HITS -
that I say, try to keep the deer in check. If nothing else, think of how it raises insurance rates from all those car-deer accidents. People die in those, too, you know.

And gojo says that in Georgia, anyway, more deer are killed in car-deer accidents than by hunters, according to insurance adjusters.”

“Anyone who equates being a nonhunter to not being responsible for killing things is just kidding themselves. When we see what the commercial meat industry is doing to us it makes my skin crawl. All those growth hormones they inject into the meat and dairy cows is causing major problems. We have 13 year old girls walking around with the bodies of grown women. When you walk down the street you can’t tell how old a girl is…at least this is what I told the judge. LOL!

My favorite hunting quotes:

“Ya know, when I hear the words “animals” and “rights” being used you know I’m killing 20 of something!”

“Animals have the right to garlic and butter.”

-Uncle Gonzo”

“i think there is alot of truth to that nige...

i know many peeps(several in my family included) who hunt for cheap meat. they need all the help they can get. the whitetail herd is larger than it's ever been. i personally don't hunt much anymore cuz it's too much work to clean them and i can't affor to have it butchered. it's also time consuming.”

“"There is absolutely no reason we need to take arms and go hunting."
stratusloop
11:21:49 AM
10/24/03

Yes there is. Millions of people enjoy doing it, it provides a means of the necessary thinning of wild game herds and provides billions of dollars for wildlife conservation, which hunters recognize as necessary to the preservation of their sport. If we were to ban something simply because it is not necessary, we could probably ban all of the things that most of us enjoy. That's a stupid argument.

"The very act of hunting is defined as the pursuit for food."
stratusloop
11:21:49 AM
10/24/03

Wrong again. Sometimes it is the pursuit of a trophy. Sometimes it's just an excuse to get out in the woods.

"There is no need to pursue or hunt for game (food) in the wild any more. Wake up people...those days are over. Now-a-days the proper thing to do is drive down to your local grocer and pick-up a six pack of ribs...throw them on the barby and waa-laa....dinner is ready."
stratusloop
11:21:49 AM
10/24/03

So in your narrow mind, it is morally more acceptable to let someone else kill your dinner for you???

"NO...we don't grab the shotgun...and go out back into the woods and start blasting everything and anything that moves."
stratusloop
11:21:49 AM
10/24/03

Another sterotype that you know most of the country holds about hunters?

"this is not my view but what society has defined and categorized as a "hunter"..."
stratusloop
11:21:49 AM
10/24/03

Again, you claim to have your finger upon the pulse of America...

"....because it's the truth...that's all you need to know."
stratusloop
11:51:37 AM
10/24/03

In other words, you're just flapping your yap and have nothing with which to back up your assertions.

"...you're a hunter..."
stratusloop
01:51:21 PM
10/24/03

Now you're jumping to conclusions.

"....you have now succeeded in proving my point."
stratusloop
12:28:15 PM
10/24/03


Seems to me the only point you've proved, fruitloop, is that you're a hypocritical, sanctimonious, gas-passing jackass. I know that there are people who don't like hunting. I doubt that that is an opinion held by a majority of Americans, as you assert, and you have shown us nothing to prove it. I hope that you find a cure for your myopia.”

“Strat, while I do agree with our rights to hunt and gather, I do think we are being mislead into thinking there are more game than ever. I feel it is just the fact that the game is more concentrated than in the past and therefore the numbers seem more. Some DNR departments base deer numbers on the number of deer hit by cars. How dumb can we be?”

“my husband just came home from work. I guess he took a detour...
anyway, he came home with a deer.
I just bought groceries...my freezer is FULL... ahhhh, I'll have to make room somehow.

Me like deer meat!!”

“"my husband just came home ...
with a deer.....
I'll have to make room somehow.

doppelganger"

Would you still make room if he came home with a "dear"?

Diffrn't kind of hunting, new meaning to the word "game"”

“


bacpacs halloween costume.”

“Road kill?”

“well...if he would come home with a "Dear" I would prolly have to make room in the freezer anyway...for their bodies!!!”

“Oooooo, dat's cold!”

“I am not trying to be mean...but I always though you have to hang the deer for a while to drain all the blood....

is that wrong?? He's just rubbing the heII out of it with salt. I know salt does kind of the same, but still seams not right...salt can't get deep into the meet...

don't want to ask hubby or he thinks I don't have any faith in him. :(”

“Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill
Bungalow Bill?
He went out tiger hunting with his elephant and gun.
In case of accidents he always took his mom.
He’s the all American bullet-headed saxon mother’s son.
All the children sing
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill
Bungalow Bill?
Deep in the jungle where the mighty tiger lies
Bill and his elephants were taken by surprise.
So Captain Marvel zapped in right between the eyes.
All the children sing
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill
Bungalow Bill?
The children asked him if to kill was not a sin.
Not when he looked so fierce, his mother butted in.
If looks could kill it would have been us
Instead of him.
All the children sing
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill
Bungalow Bill?”

“I do not hang the meat, some do, I do not because it makes the meat more 'gamey' and stronger tasting.

Just butcher, package and freeze.
Maybe 4 - 6 hours after the shot it is all in the freezer except a piece for immediate cooking.

I use salt to dry out the hide, never on the meat.”

“My folks have always just hung the deer up, skinned it, gutted it, and then cut the meat up.
Some people do salt the meat. We don't.
My mom cooks the very best deer steaks with a gravy. Oh man, they are good.
I don't hunt, but my family does.
They love hunting just like I love hiking. I sure do enjoy eating what they kill.”

“can you tell? that's our first deer... :D
He used to hunt, but never did since we are married, not sure why. I let him! Really!!!

I do know I love deer meat. Cant wait for the deer jerkey.”

“im sorry, but am I the only on that looked at that pic and thought of bacpac?


or all you just to chicken to admit it!”

“Never heard of anyone putting salt on the meat, just the hide for curing.

I've debated this same thing with my "fellow hunters" and I have read that you do not have to hang the meat for any specific time to "cure". It will also cure in the freezer.

Lately around here (Cody, WY), the temps have been so warm, that I have shot and butchered my deer on the same day. And when done this way, the meat tastes less gamey.

When elk hunting, if the temps are cool enough, it doesn't bother me to let it set for 5-6 days. Any longer than that and the meat starts to get a little 'soft'.

Maybe I should post a trip report along with some pics of my hunting trips.”

“dang, I just read that.... NO!! NOT ROAD KILL!!!

Murderous leech.... naaa, too cute to be bacpac!”

“I like that FG.....a sanctimonious, myopic gas-passer of a jackass.

In Alaska the state teaches people how to do proper roadside butchering. Rural people there depend on frozen road kill for meals.

I noticed that stratus loop mentioned Piggly Wiggly, but he/she is from PA. Are there Piggly Wigglys in PA.”

“Ha ha, gotchya >:^)”

“ noticed that stratus loop mentioned Piggly Wiggly, but he/she is from PA. Are there Piggly Wigglys in PA.

Don't see any... Piggly Wiggly Store Locator”

“AH HA!!! I smell a troll. Oink Oink!”

“We are dealing with a group of orange clad men secluded in the woods holding phallic symbols that “discharge”? You don’t have to be Sigmund Freud to figure that one out.”

“A hunter is in custody for lighting a signal fire, which ignited the San Diego blaze and forcing thousands of residents to flee reports CBS News Correspondent Bill Whitaker.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/24/national/main579865.shtml”