WHY WE NEED GENERAL CLARK AS PRESIDENT

“But first, to Father - I get all of my info from everywhere I see it. I try not to rely too much on one site, shall we say, for information, however, Fox seems to have a lot of my info that I post here that is positive to Clark. Go figure. I actually like it when a good bit comes from Fox, it's kinda like using the Rights own mouth piece against them. I must say that I might have missed the point with my response to da Sack o' .......naw, too easy. What I'm attempting to point out is that this stuff has been said many times about Clark, rehashed, re-invented, redone, reposted, re-everything. In a feeble attempt to smear Clarks record, peeps like the above poster grab at anything they can, even if it's been talked about, explained over and over again. This, IMHO, is the only thing that think they have "of weight" on Clark and it just keeps coming up and up again. I just get a little sick of it after a while, however, in all fairness, we can rehash it if we want.

So, the long and short of it......I don't think any one site is better than the other and I truly don't think that anyones info from one site or the other is any better (if this makes any sence), what I put out there is stuff that I feel helps Clark, no matter where it comes from. Hey, I'm a Clark man, so why wouldn't I?

Do I know if that was a true statment? Have no idea, BS didn't leave a link or tag to it where it came from. I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that was said and to be very honest, I'm not afraid to admit that even if these statments are true, I still have no problem with Clark. Like Clark, I was in total and complete support of Bush and his Cronnies after 9/11. It wasn't until we started gearing up for Iraq that I really started to question what the "vision was". Now, call me a flip flopper, but I don't agree with what happened. Do I have to stick and live with my choice, my uninformed poor choice, or can I change my mind? I went with the latter after things started unraveling. I don't think that back then a lot of people didn't believe what we were being told. Now it comes out that we've been sold and I'm pissed about it.

Sorry about being so wordy, I hope thi helps clear up my stance. If not, I would be glad to take a nother shot at it.


Now, to BS - This makes me laugh:

"Moments after praising his opponents in the Democratic presidential race as worthy running mates, Wesley Clark said, in no uncertain terms, how he would respond if they or anyone else criticized his patriotism or military record.

"I'll beat the s--- out of them," Clark told a questioner as he walked through the crowd after a town hall meeting Saturday. "I hope that's not on television," he added........."

I laugh because his handlers came out and clarified that statement, calling it false. What Clark really said, per his people, was that "He would beat the LIVING chit outta them". So, get it right, k?

And seeing that festy response is truly refreshing. People from the Military might have a little harsh words for people who might question there patriotism or military record. Hell, if that's all that would happen, I would concider the offender lucky. As to your copy and pastes, have at it. I've been down this road before with others and I'm really not in the mood right now to go back in time. I too, might beat the chit outta someone, but I'd like to be fair. If anyone is interested, reset the date time on the board and relive history.

So please, BS, keep them coming and please start posting your links to the stories and information. I and I'm sure others would like that.”

“Fair enough...”

“Looks like the democrat's picture is becoming a bit clearer. Now the Bush admin needs start getting together and I feel they should start by answering one small question..."How big is your shlong?".

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“Whatnever...”

“The vulgarity filter is messing you up Nigal. You can't even put #&%!$ in a link 'round here.”

“I can though.


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“OK, so it wasn't just me?”

“I find it a positive that people of one political party can praise the good aspects of someone from the other party, re: Clark praising what he saw as a positive from Ronald Reagan. It is not a black-and-white world out there, though some would have us believe that it is.”

“Not this time.”

“I hope this report is false:

THE DAILY MIS-LEAD
< http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1514893&l=15012 >


REPORT: BUSH PLANS $50B IRAQ SPENDING REQUEST POST ELECTION

President Bush and his aides have spent the last year and a half telling the
American people that the war in Iraq would cost little. A new report by
Defense News, however, says the president will propose another $50 billion,
in addition to the $166 billion already spent. According to the non-partisan
Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, the request "won't come
until after the Nov. 2 presidential election" - effectively concealing the
spending request from public scrutiny.

In the lead-up to the Iraq war, the president's staff conducted a PR
campaign aimed at quelling public concern about its cost. Then White House
Budget Director, Mitch Daniels, said Iraq "will not require sustained aid"
and that the war cost would "be in the range of $50 billion to $60 billion."
The president's top reconstruction official at the State Department told
Nightline that "The American part of [reconstruction] will be $1.7 billion
and we have no plans for further-on funding of this." The president's top
economist, Glen Hubbard, said that "costs of any such intervention would be
very small". Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz "dismissed articles in
several newspapers asserting that put cost of war and reconstruction at $60
billion to $95 billion." And Bush had his new Budget Director tell the
Senate that "we don't anticipate requesting anything additional for the
balance of this year" - six weeks before he announced a request for an
additional $87 billion. When White House economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey
admitted that Iraq could cost up to $200 billion in the fall of 2002, he was
summarily fired for his candor.

Days after the $87 billion request made by the president, the Administration
was questioned by skeptical Republicans and Democrats in Congress about the
rising costs of continued involvement in Iraq. But even then, the president
dispatched Wolfowitz to answer the charges with a flat-out denial. Despite
the public record leading up to it, Wolfowitz told Congress that "No one
said we would know anything other than...this could be very expensive."”

“Doesn't look like Clark did too well in the Iowa caucuses. We may end up with Kerry as a candidate. I don't think that Kerry is going to draw too many Republicans to cross over.”

“Lyndy - Clark didn't do well because he skipped it. If he even got 1% of the vote, it would be concidered a positive thing.”

“Clark wasn't signed in on the Iowa caucus, LyndyS. New Hampshire will be a better barometer for that...”

“Because Dean so poorly in Iowa, even just a Clark second place would be a huge blow to the Dean camp. You'll see Liebers do a lot better also, cause he skipped Iowa too.

The next few weeks are gonna be real exciting! This is the begining of the end game!!

The time for the quickening draws near.....There can be only one!”

“Bizarre! So a bunch of guys spent a lot of money on the Iowa caucuses and didn't have to? Why didn't they all skip it and wait for New Hampshire? I don't understand how this works.”

“Why would a candidate (two of them in this case) skip Iowa? I've been thinking about this and I can't really come up with a good reason. Lack of confidence, lack of money, poor return on investment, have all occured to me, but I just don't know?”

“One of the main reasons Clark skipped it is that he got inot the race late and money is an issue. New Hampshire is a "bigger" event and means more to take than Iowa. Case in point, Geppie in '88 won Iowa and still lost the nod. IMHO, it's a traditional place to start, but really doesn't mean as much as winning Hampshire.”

“Of course that story is BS, laqtis.

We’ll be welcomed as liberators, showered with candy and flowers, install Chalabi as lackey-for-life and pay for the reconstruction with Iraqi oil revenue.

When will you silly liberals get it?”

“Clark is a good VP, if you ask me. I don't see his campaign gaining any traction, but I could be wrong.”

“FYI - Before y'all start the poo pooing, we "Clarkies" have always hoped for a third or second place finish in NH. This is not a pre-emptive, just letting y'all know what we're shooting fer, so that if he finishes at those spots, that's at least what we wanted, k?

Oh, yea, BTW - 24 Geppie workers have come over to "the darkside" in the last week. Hopefully, with a good showing, Geppie and the unions will follow.”

“Many arond these parts will say that this thing is over. We'll, I and many others say it's just the beginining. For a man to come in third who has never run in anything before, this is not too shabby. Better than Liebers, the same as a 5 year Dem Senitor, better than an outcast from Ohio, Wes has held his own against the teh NE Dems who SHOULD'VE won this thing anyways! We're on to the south and west were the REAL fun begins.

With that, I leave you with the Generals speach to his troops last night. GET DOWN!


Gen. Wesley Clark's Speech to His Supporters

Published: January 28, 2004


The following is the text of Gen. Wesley Clark's speech to his supporters following the New Hampshire primary as transcribed by FDCH e-Media, Inc.

CLARK: Thank you. Well, thank you. Thank you, Lieutenant Governor Barbara Lawton. And thanks to all of you who are here with us tonight. Thank you. You made this possible.

I've seen you carrying the signs in the morning, on the corners.

(APPLAUSE)

I've seen you late at night with your heads bowed over the tables, making the last telephone calls.

(APPLAUSE)

You are magnificent, and I thank you.

(APPLAUSE)

But four months ago -- four months ago -- we weren't even in this race. We had no money. We had no staff. We had no office. All we had was hope and a vision for a better America.

(APPLAUSE)

Four months later, we came into New Hampshire as one of the elite eight. Tonight, we leave New Hampshire as one of the final four.

(APPLAUSE)

AUDIENCE: Go, Wes, go. Go, Wes, go. Go, Wes, go.

CLARK: We are going to go. There's still a couple of more rounds to go. And the stakes couldn't be higher. Our party has to offer a vision for America, a vision that will keep us strong abroad and safe at home. We must beat George W. Bush.

(APPLAUSE)

I can and I will.

(APPLAUSE)

AUDIENCE: Go, Wes, go. Go, Wes, go.

CLARK: So we're heading south, we're heading west, and we ain't slowing down until the final buzzer sounds.

(APPLAUSE)

These last four months have been the start of an incredible journey. Today was just the first battle in our campaign to take America back.

(APPLAUSE)

AUDIENCE: Go, Wes, go. Go, Wes, go.

CLARK: Thanks to you and the people of New Hampshire, we'll be leaving New Hampshire tonight a smarter, better, stronger and even more determined candidate.

(APPLAUSE)

AUDIENCE: Wes will win. Wes will win.

CLARK: And never, never underestimate -- never underestimate what a determined soldier can accomplish when he's fighting for his country. And I'm fighting for this country.

(APPLAUSE)

So we're going to march onward, state after state, until we send George W. Bush right back to that ranch in Texas.

(APPLAUSE)

AUDIENCE (SINGING): Na, na, na, na; na, na, na, na; na, na, na, na, we're saying goodbye.

CLARK: Now this is my first election, and I've enjoyed every minutes of it. And I can't thank the people of New Hampshire enough.

You know, a lot of people -- a lot of people -- told me not to get into this race. They said I should leave politics to the politician.

AUDIENCE: Boo.

CLARK: No, they said I was just an outsider, I was just a soldier from down South.

AUDIENCE: Boo.

CLARK: But if there's one thing I learned during my 34 years in the United States Army it's this: Real leadership comes from deciding and doing, not talking and debating.

(APPLAUSE)

CLARK: And I simply couldn't stand by and watch while this country, that I and so many others have fought for, unravel before our very eyes.

I couldn't stand it. I couldn't stand by and watch while the rich were handed one tax cut after another, and 8 million Americans struggled to make ends meet without work.

(APPLAUSE)

I couldn't stand by watch as 44 million Americans lived without basic health care and life-saving drugs that their families needed.

(APPLAUSE)

I couldn't stand by and watch as 12 million children languished in poverty in the wealthiest nation of the world.

(APPLAUSE)

And I couldn't stand by and watch as special interests cut back- room deals with people in power.

(APPLAUSE)

And I couldn't stand by and watch as day after day our service men and women lost their lives in an unnecessary war in Iraq. So I didn't stand by; I stepped forward.

(APPLAUSE)

I stepped forward. And that's why I'm here tonight because I have higher hopes for America. I see an America that's determined to be good and that dares to be great. I responded to a call from people like you, people who long for a better America, an America that values old-fashioned leadership not old-style politicians.

(APPLAUSE)

I responded to a call for change: change to an administration that puts the privileged above the people; change to an administration that plays politics with national security; change to an administration that holds themselves above and apart from the American people that they serve; change from an administration that puts politics above principle and special interests above national interests -- that we must change.

(APPLAUSE)

CLARK: The bottom line was, I was just sick and tired of Republicans and Washington insiders crowing about family values when it was clear to me that they themselves didn't value America's families.

(APPLAUSE)

Because America's working families deserve better. They deserve the opportunity to work and make a decent wage.

(APPLAUSE)

They deserve the chance to put a few dollars in the bank and save for their children's future. They deserve a tax cut to help pay their bills.

(APPLAUSE)

They deserve the truth from the commander in chief.

(APPLAUSE)

They deserve a leader willing to stand up to the real threat of Osama bin Laden and Al Qaida.

(APPLAUSE)

They deserve top-notch health care and the drugs to stay healthy. They deserve a first-class education and a shot at being just a little better off than their parents.

This is what working families deserve, and that's why I'm running to be president of the United States.

(APPLAUSE)

CLARK: I know what it's like to struggle to make ends meet and watch every penny that you have. I didn't grow up with much. My father died when I was four; he left us with less than a few months rent.

My mom took a job as a secretary to make the ends meet. And that's why as president, I will never, ever forget where I'm from and who I'm for: America's working families.

(APPLAUSE)

And these aren't my values alone. They're Democratic Party values. That's what this party is all about.

(APPLAUSE)

And we've got to open the doors in this party to every person who shares our values.

(APPLAUSE)

Because when we take on George Bush this fall, we want everyone to join us, no matter where you're from what your background is or what your party registration might say.

(APPLAUSE)

I can never repay the people of New Hampshire for their kindness and friendship over the last few months. And I want to thank all of my supporters, my staff, all of the veterans who worked so hard, my state director, Steve Beauchard (ph)...

(APPLAUSE)

... our state chairs, Dudley (ph), Jim Norman (ph), Susan Putney (ph) and George Bruno.

(APPLAUSE)

CLARK: Our steering committee chair, Syl Dupuis; John and Mary Rowe (ph); Bill Cashin -- all have helped us get our message out.


(APPLAUSE)

And I also want to thank all our volunteers who made the phone calls, licked the envelopes, knocked on the doors in frigid weather day after day. It was the men and women like you who got me into this race, and we wouldn't be anywhere without you.

(APPLAUSE)

And I want to congratulate John Kerry and Howard Dean and John Edwards. They're good men. They've done good work. They've run great campaigns in this state.

(APPLAUSE)

Let me finish up by saying this: If you're happy with the direction of our country, then support the politicians who are running it. But if you think we can build a better America and you want someone who's part of the solution, then I am your candidate, and I'm asking for your support.

(APPLAUSE)

AUDIENCE: We want Wes. We want Wes. We want Wes. We want Wes.

CLARK: The other morning at a veteran's event, I met a vet from World War II.

As I was turning to leave, he grabbed my hand and he looked at me in the eye. He said, "General, I want you to listen to me. This election isn't about me," he said, "and it isn't about you. It's about the future of our country." And he said, "As you go on, that is something you must never, ever forget."

Well, I won't forget that. I won't forget it. I won't forget it. That's why I am here tonight. That's why I am in this race. That's why we're going to march on, meeting one test at a time with the same gritty determination until we take back this country for its rightful owners, the people of the United States of America.

(APPLAUSE)

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you.”

“Wes will win? Heck, he can't even get out of the starting blocks.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA”

“How is that, Savage? Out ofhe starting blocks? Dood, he beat Lieber, Kucinich and tied Edwards, all of whom have much more experiance running for office than Wes. Also, these guys have been in the race for twice as long as Wes. You need to check yerself, pal.”

“Here's why WE DON'T NEED KERRY OR EDWARDS:

KERRY: Bush will accuse Kerry of being a northern
liberal. Kerry's 20 year voting record is on the
books. They'll find plenty there to beat him over the
head with. The Repubs are already calling him 'more
liberal than Ted Kennedy.' That will doom Kerry.
Kerry said he doesn't need the south to win. So Bush
will sweep the south without spending a dime there and
will cream Kerry in all the must-win battleground
states. We'll be lucky if Kerry wins Massachusetts.

- Kerry is not the ranking member on ANY Senate
committee. Should be; he's been there long enough. 20
committees/48 Democrats in the Senate and Kerry holds
NO leadership posiitions.
- He was Mike Dukakis's Lt. Gov.


Bush will run his campaign on national
defense. Edwards has ALMOST NO foreign policy
experience, except 2 years on the Senate Intelligence
Committee. No swing voters are going to put our
country's national security in the hands of someone so
green. Edwards might have appeal in his home and
neighboring states, but I doubt even those states will
be willing to take such a leap of faith when they vote
for the next Commander in Chief of our armed forces.
They'll like Edwards but they'll vote for Bush because
at least he's had some experience.



Edwards never introduced a Senate bill on any subject.


What about a Kerry/Edwards ticket? Tell
them it's a great concept, but people vote for the top
of the ticket. We will lose no matter how you combine
those two candidates. Only Clark has all their best
qualities in one package. And Clark will offer us a
phenomenal VP nominee, no doubt.


But Clark has no domestic experience.
Tell them that's not so. Clark was responsible for the
needs of the families of his soldiers, some 400,000,
the size of a small state. He made sure the roads,
the schools, and all other domestic needs were well
taken care of. Troop morale was a top priority, and
Clark advocated and fought for the people who served
under his command.


We cannot win with a candidate who appeals to only us
Democrats. Clark has moderate Republicans and
independents working on his PRIMARY campaign. That's
vitually unprecedented (also it's true). Yet he is a
progressive Democrat, with proposals that rival ALL of
the other candidates in health care, job creation, the
environment. He is the only one who has negotiated
peace with foreign leaders. He has a plan to get ous
out of Iraq he could put in place tomorrow. All the
candidates are good me. But Clark is a GREAT man.”

“P.S. That was a public service of the MichiganForClark messageboard. Carry on!”

“With Clark being a military man and being so beloved by the military, why didn't he win (or at least make it a horse race) in South Carolina, which has a VERY high percentage of military voters.”

“Laqtis, my friend. Clark is going nowhere. Get on the Kerry bandwagon and enjoy a gratifying victory in November.
I like Clark, but he has not run a very strong campaign, IMHO. He could be a great VP, though.
If you listen to what Kerry says, and check out his voting record, he looks strong as a candidate. Basing your whole campaign on calling someone a "liberal" won't cut the mustard any more. People are getting tired of drug addicts telling them who is and who is not a liberal. People are getting tired of politicians who point the "tax-and-spend" finger at democrats and then show themselves to be "spend-and-spend" neo-cons.
People are getting wise to who did and who didn't serve in the military. I think more and more people every day are coming to the realization that our current administration is made up of chickenhawks.
Kerry is in a great position to put together a strong cabinet that crosses the political lines. He has shown, from a young age, that he is not afraid to fight the status quo.
He can win in the South, because there are many voters who want to be included in a national debate and not tied exclusively to a region. Kerry campaigns like a tiger, and that wins him votes. Thanks to Dean for putting the fire into this campaign, and now the other candidates are running with it.”

“To say that someone who doesn't have a southern accent can't win in the South is giving the South very little credit. If someone campaigned in Kansas, and thought they had to chew on a piece of wheat straw and talk like a hick, they would get about three votes. By the way, Wesley's accent isn't as "Southern" as it should be for him to beat Edwards in the South.”

“As you know laqtis, I supported Clark before he announced. His was the first campaign I've ever donated to (but it won't be the last).

I hate being such a political pragmatist but Bush has radicalized me. The most important thing now is choosing the candidate that will motivate the most people to vote Dem. The primary turnouts have been great so far and its not Clark that is energizing the race. I still hope he wins but don't throw mud at the guys you're likely going to be arguing for in October.”

“I second the stringed one.”

“Vi - Not throwing mud. I'm just pointing out what's going to happen if these guys get in. We have less of a chance to win against Bush than we do with Clark. Clark has less blemishes. The point of this "post" is to show how Bush and Rove will dismantle these two. So far, to a fault, Clark has run a clean campaing and it has cost him, but I respect him dearly for running clean. Even Edwards has started to get snippy.

Honestly, I really don't like either one of them, but I've always has a bad habit of rooting for and staying with the under dogs. A lot of people at this point in time of the race are throwing it in, instead of backing "thier guy" and supporting Kerry or Edwards. Not me. This race is not over until the General sez it's over. At that point, I will blindly be A.B.B. and hope that who over gets in, if it's not Clark, that they reconginze the fact that he can be a very heavy asset. These last contests only represent 10% of the delegates needed to get the nod. We'll see whose got what after this weekend. This will be the telling tale. If, after this weekends races, Clark bows, I will be an independant and vote on issues.....which means I ain't voting for Bush! Never have, Never will!!

Thanks forthe support, VI. I hope you and others who support the General remember to vote in your upcoming cacaus/primary.

Get Down!”

“The general needs to initiate a "rear-guard" action and start campaigning for the VP slot.
I think Clark could be as good a president as Eisehower. However, Ike wasn't as great a president as he could have been. That's hard to say about a fellow Kansan, but it's true. Running the military and running the White House are two different things.”

“Very true, Dun and trust me, I wouldn't cry over a Clark VP nod with Kerry. It would balance it and be a very powerful, vet ticket, that would be hard to counter from Gee Double U AWOL. If it ever came up in a debate, I don't think either Clark OR Kerry would have to do anything but stand there and say "Well, Mr Bush?". I'd pay money just to see THAT happen.

Like I said before, we'll see what happens after this weekend. Until then, I'll have my hands firmly over my ears, while yelling - lahlahlhlahlahlhalh...I can't hear you lalalalalalalala :)”

“You are the man, Laqtis, and I can respect where you are coming from. I have voted all over the ticket to try to reflect my values, in the past. However, this election, as in no other, there is an urgency that many people have not felt in a looooong time. I'm looking forward to the campaign, post-primary.”

“I think there is but one remaining way for Clark suporters to help the campaigne...

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“"way for Clark suporters to help the campaigne....."

Did you misspell Champainge? That's OK!”

“I'm in a hurry this morning! 8)”

“Nigal, you're killin' me!”

“Vote Clark!”

“For VP!”

“At this point, FOR ANYTHING!”

“Men's room attendant?

I wouldn't hate seeing him as VP as long as it's under Edwards (of course with the stipulations it's a one term deal. We have Jeb Bush coming into office in '08).”

“"Vote for anything"

AMEN, this guy is getting pretty freaky.”

“Clark as VP would work. He could run for Pres as the incumbant VP. I have a feeling, tho, that that ain't gonna work out. Kerry will do something stupid like pick the Real Estate salesman from North Carolina.”

“At least Clark, while not a native of the south, grew up in the south. I could handle him better than some moron from the north, i.e. Kerry.”

“than some moron from the north, i.e. Kerry

or Dean, although he's falling like a rock.”

“The Civil War is over. What ever happened to "united we stand" because divided the politicians (from wherever) do whatever the heck they want.”

“I’m just so phucking sick of Kerry and his supporters calling him a war hero. The guy came home and barely had his uniform off when he ran out and joined that Jane Fonda group and started protesting. He organized one of the biggest and most controversial marches where the vets threw their medals and ribbons at the state capitol building. That’s no war hero. His voting record has always reflected this too.”