“hehehe, don't worry I wouldn't send your company a virus or anything like that..now your personal addy is another story ;)”

“Like I say to others, if you're gonna be stupid, you'd better be tough. I might have to get tough here in a bit.

No, really, I don't know how or why someone signed me up for 300 porn sites, no...really.”

“get a clue ewker.”

“Heck, dayhiker, everyone has your work address. ;-)

Arabic and Mexican people have a great range of body and facial characteristics. You dang Liberals sure like to stereotype people.”

“did a troll speak?? that is directed toward baggie boy

hey SS look at the marmot EOS1 thread, gave you credit..it was hard to do but i did ;)”

“you're hilarious ewker. all your arguements are the same. you say it's that way so that's the way it is. that's the basis for all your stands. you don't even base them on any aparent thought process.

war, political leaders, immigrants, divorce......... you use the same "eddie said so" arguement. well, you're consistant, so at least you have that going for you. lol.

get a clue.


by the way, interesting article mutt. glad to see you post.”

“For the record, I am not the bag boy.”

“what ever you say baggie boy
last edited: 6/17/05 11:47:00 AM”

“SS, baggie boy is just another person who trolls. Notice he/she/it just signed up today”

“i see it every day at work:

day 1

bag boy: "paper or plastic sir?"

ewker: "paper. plastic is ruining this country. those damn big business folks and their plastic. they're raping the earth to make that sh i t you know. we'll be out of oil in the next 20 years. everyone. not just you me, but everyone. and they don't care as long as they make their dollar today. i know, because i heard clinton say it 7 years ago, or maybe it was hillary. hell, i can't remember but it don't matter anyway. just you believe me, it's true though, because i said so."

bb: "can i help you carry these to your car sir?"

ewker: "no need. i left my jeep cherokee running out front here in the pickup zone. hot out you know, need to keep that air conditioning going."

bb: "have a nice afternoon sir"



next day:

bb: "paper or plastic sir?"

ewker: "plastic. you know what the problem is with this country? we're cutting down every damn tree so you can put these groceries in them. you should be ashamed of yourself. you're contributing to the problem by even offering paper bags. hey, be careful, don't let that coke leak on that cardboard cereal box, it will warp the top and it won't stayed closed properly. anyway, where was i? oh yeah, them damn lumber companies are raping the earth. clear cutting everywhere so you can stuff these damn groceries in paper bags".

bb: "would you like your newspaper in the bag or carry it sir?"

ewker: "i'll carry it"

bb: "have a nice day sir"
last edited: 6/17/05 12:04:54 PM”

“I don't think Arabs and Mexicans look alike at all.

Now Arabs and Spainish do share similarities.
last edited: 6/17/05 12:21:38 PM”

“Sarge: Yep, and I was Geobeet's hero and idol! Phaedrus fairly worshipped me as well. ;-)

PedXing: Stratfor's view - and one that was generally shared among the paid intelligence analyst services - was that the Iraq war was a direct response to 9/11. You know, before the war we didn't have any leverage in the region; after the war, we suddenly got a bunch of cooperation from the Arabs. So while superficially it was a war of choice, in the grander geopolitical scene, it was a defensive response to 9/11 and al qaeda.”

“maybe you just haven't seen enough shaved arabs hpm.

lol.”

“Stove Stomper - thanks, oryx was a lot of fun to troll with!!”

“Shaved Arabs??

That's my favorite 80's metal band!”

“Mutt - No one can spot those silly bliss ninnies the way you can! ;-)”

“SS- yes, lots of you have my work address. I only send it to folks I trust.”

“That shows bad judgment. ;-)”

“This should be great news for "I'd sign up in a second, but I'm too old" Nigal:


Pentagon seeks higher age limit for recruits

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Faced with major recruiting problems sparked by troop deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Pentagon has asked Congress to raise the maximum age for U.S. military enlistees from 35 to 42 years old.

The request, sent to lawmakers this week, would apply to all active duty branches of the military services, said Air Force Lt. Col. Ellen Krenke, a Pentagon spokeswoman, on Friday. But it is aimed chiefly at the active duty Army, which has fallen far short of recruiting goals this year, by adding millions of potential enlistees.

<<snip>
last edited: 7/25/05 2:10:48 PM”

“Violin, you fail to mention that these recruits will still have to pass an intelligence test, so, alas, until they drop that hurdle, most Bush voters will still be safe little chickenhawks.”

“Dang, you would think the Dim Party is against a draft!
Who VOTED to reinstate a Draft? Dims.”

“You should try reading the posts above yours before posting Stovie.

If you keep posting complete non-sequiturs, folks might think you're dull.
last edited: 7/25/05 2:30:36 PM”

“http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/

Better a 'fool' than to be thought of as a liar, like the Dims.
LOL”

“Saving U.S. Army
can help save Iraq

By LAWRENCE KORB

In March 2003, when the Army chief of staff, Gen. Eric Shinseki, argued that the Bush administration's position on the number of ground troops necessary to occupy Iraq was grossly inadequate, he was publicly disparaged by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who mistakenly believed we would be greeted as liberators.
But last month, when Army Gens. John Abizaid and George Casey, the top commanders in Iraq, argued that a substantial number of troops could be withdrawn next spring or summer, Rumsfeld was silent. Why? After all, the generals had essentially contradicted statements by President Bush and Rumsfeld that we will remain in Iraq as long as necessary and that there is no timetable for withdrawal. True, the generals conditioned their plan on containing the insurgency and increasing the capability of the Iraqi forces, but as recent events indicate, neither of these conditions are likely to be met anytime soon.

The primary reason for the statements and Rumsfeld's silence is that even if we wanted to keep about 140,000 ground troops in Iraq through 2006, we cannot do so without breaking the all-volunteer Army.

Gen. Maxwell Taylor, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for President Lyndon Johnson, said that while we sent the Army to Vietnam to save Vietnam, we had to withdraw to save the Army. This is where we are today.

If Iraq were a war of necessity, the U.S. would simply send sufficient ground forces there for the duration. But, since it is a war of choice, fought by volunteers, the active-duty soldiers spend a year in Iraq and at least a year at home before going back.

And the Army does not want to order a soldier to be sent back a third time. By the end of this year, nearly every active-duty soldier will have spent at least two tours in Iraq.

Moreover, since the active-duty Army was too small to implement effectively Bush's preventive war in Iraq, the administration has had to rely unduly on the National Guard and Reserves. Part-time soldiers make up about 40% of the troops in Iraq. In order to keep so many reservists there, the Pentagon has had to violate its norm of not mobilizing reservists for more than one year out of five.

Sending soldiers back for a third time will ruin the Army's retention rate, which so far has held up. Staying in Iraq through 2006 will completely undermine the Army's recruiting, which despite massive increases in enlistment bonuses is already a disaster. Keeping 50,000 reservists in Iraq throughout 2006 will force the administration to ask Congress to repeal the law that forbids reservists from serving on the active duty for more than two years.

A debate on this subject will likely call into question the administration's reasons for invading and its conduct of the war.

This is why the generals are making plans to withdraw and why the Bush political machine is quiet.
last edited: 8/11/05 10:55:41 AM”

“I will try to be brief.

1. I would have (and did) support a war in Iraq to address the following issues:

1 (a) WMD
1 (b) Connection to Al Quaeda and other terrorism


2. Bush LIED about WMD and the connection to terrorism. Straight out baldfaced lies.

This is not lying about getting a BJ inthe oval office. This lying has directly resulted in the deaths of almost 2000 American soliders and countless Iraqi's.

George Bush is a bigger terrorists than Osama Bin laden and should be dealt with accordingly.


3. Nonetheless, now that the g-damn mess has been created it would be a bigger disaster to pull out and leave Iraq as one big nasty breeding ground for terrorists. We need to stay and kill as many insurgents and their ilk (kill, dead, not imprison) as we can.

4.In sort of a desperate, half hoping way . . .I hold out a small sliver of hope that . . .(this is a big stretch).

a) That Bush lied to deliberately create the war (we know this is true).

b) He deliberately created the war realizing that the probable outcome would be the quagmire we are now in (this would have been a secretly held opinion, since he declared victory early on, and, publicly at least, didn't hink we needed as many troops as we have).

C) He WANTED this quagmire for STRATEGIC reasons. He is hoping to create a somewhat contained (the country of Iraq) hotspot that will suck in all available terrorists and terrorist resources.

D) This is my wild, giving bush way to much credit, theory:

He deliberately created a disaster in Iraq, hoping to draw in the heavy hitters in the terrorist business in the middle east (from Syria etc). Once they were IN Iraq we could kill their personnel and decapitate their hierarchy.

I think this theory is pretty far fetched. It is full of HUGE risks. It is doubtfull that we can kill the terrorists in Iraq faster than more can be recruited. And the risk on decades of instability in Iraq will just breed more.


But . ..that would be the only hope/justification/rationale that I could see for not trying, convicting and executing Bush for treason.

I think he is the single slimiest, coniving, lying SOB to ever occupy the office.

He is a disgrace.”

“Lee, well said.”

“1. I would have (and did) support a war in Iraq to address the following issues:

1 (a) WMD
1 (b) Connection to Al Quaeda and other terrorism


2. Bush LIED about WMD and the connection to terrorism. Straight out baldfaced lies.

That's what you get for being uninformed sheep.

George Bush is a bigger terrorists than Osama Bin laden and should be dealt with accordingly.

You see? Here's a TTer just like those pinko-socialist protestors in Venezuela.”

“"George Bush is a bigger terrorists than Osama Bin laden and should be dealt with accordingly."

Very ignorant indeed.”

“BTW- Anyone else hear that the Army made their recruting quotas for the last period?”

“I always find these articles interesting.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162247,00.html”

“Yes Nigal, he(GW)is very and they did meet the lowered expectations.”

“I understand that you won't accept my premise . ..equating the innocent deaths caused by Osama bin Laden in pursuit of his holy war agenda with the innocent deaths caused by George Bush in pursuit of his holy war agenda,

But if you did . . . clearly Bush is far and away the world's worst, most dangerous, most destructive terrorist.”

“It is IRREFUTABLE that the war in IRAQ has cause MORE innocent, civilian deaths than the bombing of the world trade center, the Disco bombing in Bali, the train bombing in Madrid and the tranist bombings in London.


Conservatively I'd say that Bush has caused DOUBLE the number of deaths that Bin Laden has.



Now we just have to agree on whether or not Iraq was a legitimate target for war . .or whether it is an illegal war based on lies.


Let's see.


No WMD.

No Terrorist linkage to 9/11.



So the war is an illegal state sponsored terrorist action perpetrated by Geo Bush.


He should be dealt with as any other terrorist.”

“the code of military conduct indicates the death penalty for those guilty of treason during wartime.


What does it suggest for those who LIE to get the country into a war??

What' worse than the death penalty . ..being drawn and quartered slowly??


How can you not agree with this?”

“I don't pretend to know what I don't know.


That is . . .when we were told by scumbag bush that there were WMD and a terrorist link, I took it at face value and on that basis supported military action. Although I would have prefered to allow further inspections . . .I was pretty convinced that any such inspections would go through the same shenanigans as previous . .

so again . .on the basis of what I knew . ..tentative support.


We now know that Bush lied.


There are no WMD. he has admitted that. There is no terrorist link. He is still fudging that, but it is widely accepted otherwise.


You are a smart guy. I am one of very few people on this board who like, respect and often agree with your opinions . .

How can you not see this for what it is?


Unless you have some extra-media, non-public knowledge to contradict the WMD and terrorist stuff . . .if you do . .please share.”

“"Hey all you big strong men uncle Sam needs your help again he's got himself in a terrible jam........”

“Just thinking out loud...

I've been trying to figure out Bush's motivation for fighting this war. Here are some possibilities.

1) We were locked out of Iraq. The Europeans and Chinese were not following the sanctions regime. We couldn't let them have access to that much oil and be frozen out ourselves.

2) The Iranians were gaining too much influence in a weakened Iraq. We had to act before Iran took over Iraq like Syria took over Lebanon.

3) The Grand Diversion. Osama was sitting in northern Pakistan. We knew Pakistan had the bomb. We couldn't invade Pakistan and Musharraf couldn't get Osama without a fundamentalist overthrow. So, with Osama untouchable in the mountains, we needed a target that could be taken. Saddam.

4) Pressure the Saudis. Saudi Arabia was/is as dangerous as Osama. We wanted Iraq so that we wouldn't be so dependent on Saudi Arabia and we could turn on them.

5) Israeli quid pro quo. If the US invades Iraq, Israel would feel safe enough from Iraq and Iran that a full scale withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza could be possible.

6) Saddam is bad. Freedom for the people.

7) Father's Day present.

8) Iraq broke the cease fire and was technically back in a state of war with the US.

9) WMD. Sure, we didn't find any, but there was a legitimate risk.

So, I can't stand Bush, but I think that this was as legitimate as a war can be.

The problem is whether the war was a strategic benefit to the United States. I think it is clear that North Korea, Iran and the terrorists were helped by the war.

The second problem is way in which the war was/is being fought. If it was really important, then what was/is wrong with a draft? If it was really important, then why couldn't it wait until we were ready? If it was really important, why not spend twice as much money to adequately equip the troops?

So, the reason for the war was and is a red herring. We had and have legitimate reasons to fight it. It's just that it needed to be fought with competence.

And it wasn't.”

““I understand that you won't accept my premise . ..equating the innocent deaths caused by Osama bin Laden in pursuit of his holy war agenda with the innocent deaths caused by George Bush in pursuit of his holy war agenda,

But if you did . . . clearly Bush is far and away the world's worst, most dangerous, most destructive terrorist.”





'Leroy, you are just stupid as hell.'”

“Bush has got the United States on the highway to hell. God will punish all those who have supported Bush's murders of thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

“God will punish all those who have supported Bush's murders of thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So you believe in God, USA? One that can punish those that do wrong?”

“While being under 37 (35) and but a simple caregiver would hardly make me a first in liner; if I were selected and trained as a medic or a nurse I’d go willingly. I often regret not going into the service when I graduated high school. I think it’d be good if the US armed forces had a program similar to the IDF’s program where people can go to Israel on a working vacation and work with the IDF doing work that normally ties up the regular IDF forces ‘behind the lines’. I’m also one of the few who believe that mandatory service isn’t such a bad idea.

Of course this is going to be too hard to understand because we have such different views of the military. While many see our military forces as an unwitting tool of an evil fascist empire I see our fighting men and women as individuals fighting for the greatest cause, freedom. And being even greater than just freedom, they are fighting for the freedom of others who can’t fight for it themselves.”
- Nigal
9:41:05 AM
12/05/04


You could go join up right now Nigal, well you could if you had the stones. They're sending Army Reserve grandmothers and grandpas to Iraq everyday. I'm sure they would take a patriot like yourself. But that ain't going to happen is it? Talk is cheap.”
- solitary hiker
8:55:34 PM
12/05/04


If I’m not mistaken they do not take recruits over 35. But thanks for the insult anyhow.
- Nigal
7:51:04 AM
12/06/04

Good News Nigal!

US Army raises enlistment age to 40

WASHINGTON, Jan 18, 2006 (PG) - The US Army said Wednesday it has raised its maximum enlistment age from 35 to 40 years old and is doubling signing up bonuses to a high of 40,000 dollars.
[...]”

“*Yawn*”

“(singing) Put Nigal on a silver jet. -- He don't know where he's going yet.”

“Couldn't find the ashs left by the 1961 demise of my card. Didn't look very well. Found a roach and fired it. Wooo!!”

“interesting that they are raising the enlistment age. They say they have met their monthly goals the past 7 months but didn't meet their goal of 80,000 new recruits for 2005. Doesn't sound right to me.

Oh well good luck to any that join.”

“I'll go for $80,000 to work in biologics, with an Iron clad I'm out in a year if I want to be, no take backs. Liquor, beer & Porn wherever I'm stationed.”

“More selective cut and pasting of my words to make a new lie from a old argument. You just get more and more dishonest every day Violin. Boring too.”

“Selective? How?

Here's the original post: http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/26696,-1,12.php#1046972

You're the one being dishonest.”

“You left out everything after that. How about you just be quiet for a change and let the people read the whole thing themselves and see who is being dishonest here. I mean, it's not like you have a track record of lying or anything. [coughcough]”

“It's OK Nigal. I don't think you should sign up if you don't want to. Just don't pretend you're dying to go if only Uncle Sam would let you.”