Massachusetts to allow gay marriage

“There are a lot of advantages to living in Arkansas. This is another one of them.”

“All that said, I don't think the government should be deiciding who can be married. I think there should be some kind of shared financial and personal responsibility statute (call it "domestic partners" if you want) and it shouldn't matter if they are male or female or if you are sleeping with them or not. It should come with a set of rights and responsibilities and be open to any two people. Let's take the whole question of sex (as in screwing), sexuality and gender right out of the law.

Let the question of marriage be up to individuals and their churches, or their families.”

“I like what Barney Frank said (not an exact quote): "These same guys that cheat on their wives tell me that my committment to my boyfriend is a threat to marriage."”

“ Let's take the whole question of sex (as in screwing), sexuality and gender right out of the law.


When I become supreme chancellor, Pedxing will be high justice.”

“Barney Frank and the underage page boy?
What story did I get wrong? I have
so many of them!”

“about the sureptitious tape and the contents
Also Frank was not involved with an underage boy.”

“"hey man, I get high on justice"”

“Massachusetts. Isn't that where Ted Kennedy is from?”

“Good,I didn't mention a tape. Barney and the boy wuz front page news some years ago. Even his boy
friend admitted to being jealous.”

“"hey man, I get high on justice"

Righteous, dude!

Anyone has any REAL reason Gays shouldn't be entitled to the same rights as heterosexuals?

Leaving you religion out of it, of course. We all have a right not to be Christian.”

“Any day now I'll start typing well... Any day...”

“Exactly what rights are they missing under the constitution? Freedom of Speech? Right to bear arms? Freedom from religion?”

“Elf, do you have CRS?

Look on page one of the thread for your post at:
10:29:11 AM
11/18/03”

“"A couple of years ago some concerned parents
taped a standard school class about homosexuality"”

“Savage, Homo's are not denied rights. They have extra rights.”

“Obviously, Savage, heterosexuals have a right to be married in every state in the union. Homosexuals do not.

Where did I mention the Constitution or federal law or bill of rights?

Try not to muddy the water and answer the question, if you have any justification for it at all.”

“At todays press conference the Gay
Activist are changing the State
Constitution and announced they are going after the Federal Constitution.”

“Why is it that phaedy and pedlink always get a hardon for homosexual issues?”

“Pedxing, I'm sure I didn't get a
story like that wrong. The activists are suing the parents
association for illegal taping.
Even though it is a curiculum subject taught in a public classroom. You don't hear about it because the parents are under a court ordered gag order.”

“Still sounds like an urban legend.”

“Phaedrus,

You said, "Anyone has any REAL reason Gays shouldn't be entitled to the same rights as heterosexuals?"

Where do we get our rights from? From the constitution of course.

So, now I ask you again, what constitutional rights are homos missing?”

“Oh, okay, so you're FOR homosexuals having the right to marry. Sorry, I thought you were speaking out against it.

You're right. The Constitution sees homosexuals and heterosexuals as equals. So should the states.”

“Elfscream, the use of the word "gag" is violation of the terms of service for this board, especially when used in a thread regarding homosexuality.”

“Does this mean that Bill and Hillary's marriage is finally recognized? And thank God!!! Now Prince Charles can finally marry Camilla!”

“Elf: I know you were wrong about it being a standard class... it was a special conference at Tufts (a private college) that people went and taped. There were teens present. The teens were encouraged to openly discuss their sexual practices. Some people called the scandal "fist gate."

I was appalled by what happened. People in the department of education (including people appointed under the, then, current Republican administration and the prior Republican administration) were involved in organizing graphic discussion with teens about sexual practices in a way I wouldn't want for gay or straight teens.

I also dispute your claim about teens being told about the benifits of hooking up with older people (unless you just mean discussions).

The reason why the tapes were kept under wraps was that minors had discussed private things with the expectation of confidentiality.

Heads did roll and people were fired.”

“Why is it that bacpac gets such a kick out of imagining and describing male sexual arousal?

"Why is it that phaedy and pedlink always get a hardon for homosexual issues?"
bacpac
12:53:42 PM"”

“Oh, and in case anyone is going to try the "savage brain trust" defense, be sure you know the bill of rights.


Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
”

“what extra rights do "homos" have?

this should be a non-issue, homosexual marriages have no effect on me. the gov't should stay out of the bedroom of consenting adults and private relationships.

of course there are too many closed minded people to have that happen. this "victory" will not last.”

“I am in favor of strong domestic partnership laws in all states that give all rights and privileges of marriage to gay and lesbian couples.

I am also in favor of individual churches having the right to perform domestic partnership ceremonies for gay and lesbian couples. Shoot. I've been to a few. They should also have the right not to perform them.

Why should something new and beautiful have to conform to a previous cultural standard? Come up with a new institution.

Is the goal to give gays and lesbians equal rights under the law? Or is it meant to achieve victory over traditional groups and organizations that have traditional beliefs?”

“Marriage- a fine institution, gay or straight. The people have thspoken!”

“Mahwidge. Mahwidge is what brings us togevver.”

“My dad and step-"mom" cannot marry w/o forfeiting Mary's (widow) retirement pension. Her husband died, and she's receiving his pension. Hers is greater than my dad's, and they can in no way make it without both.

Marrying would cause Mary to lose hers. That's just something they have had to deal with. They have seperate everything, ie, insurance, checking, etc. Everyone has burdens to bear.

Nope.
Gays marrying? Nope.
I, personally, don't like the notion.
Let's face it, folks:
Homosexuality just ain't natural - no more "natural" than pedaphelia(sp?).

The semi-recent study about sexuality (the modern day Masters and Johnson survey thing) dispelled the 10% myth. The survey determined that only 4% are homosexual. That's probably a lower percentage than that of pedaphiles.

What if pedaphiles wanted recognition as an acceptable lifestyle? Huh?

Oh. They aren't dealing with adults - only minors.

K. So if you're grown-up, anything and everything is okey-dokey?

Does being adults make it any more acceptable? Not for many - including me.

Wake up.
Marriage, as an institution, is viewed as a union between people of the opposite sex for the primary purpose of having offspring, thus extending the human animal.

Go right ahead and get yerself a life partner. Fester and spew and gag and pack all you want. Tell him/her that you couldn't live w/o him or her. Shower him/her with gifts and affection. Lasso for said partner the friggin' moon. Have fun - enjoy your liberties as a citizen of The United States of America.

Just don't expect everyone to accept your lifestyle, much less honor it.

There's no point in making a union out of something that's not gonna produce toward the next generation. Call it anything but marriage. Make-up a word, if ya like...”

“"There's no point in making a union out of something that's not gonna produce toward the next generation." Gojo

Gojo: If you'll come convince my girl friend that it would be wrong for me to marry her since she can't have any more kids, I'll buy dinner for you and your date.”

“What the hell does Natural have to do with it?

Whether or not you or anyone else approves of homosexuality is not the issue. The issue is whether you feel that they should be singled out and discriminated against.

Apparently you do.”

“How is a child produced? 1 man, 1 woman.

The rest of this BS is just you libs trying to rationalize and justify a self-centered and un-natural lifestyle.

If you gays want kids, evolve and produce kids. Surely Darwin's theory allows for that, otherwise he is anti-gay marriage too.”

“"Still sounds like an urban legend."
Phaedrus
12:57:52 PM
11/18/03

Yes, it sounds like a UL, but I've personally seen some of the footage. The activist is preaching gay rights to a gymnasium full for elementary school kids, looks like K-4 from what I saw.

What place does ANY sexuality have in elementary school?

Anyone doubting my claim can find the clip themselves -- it's in the Dr. James Dobson video series on "Bringing up Boys", specifically the section on homosexuality.”

“Classic. There is no logical reason to deny homosexual couples marriage."
Mutt

Odd topic in which to introduce logic, IMO.”

“Finally, I can get married.”

“Koran 7:81 "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."

The proliferation of gay acceptance in this country bears some responsibility in some of the negative affection that this country receives, including terrorism.

Yeah yeah, "foreign policy blah blah...". But "Americans are pigs" is not an uncommon foreign opinion. We are perceived as an evil people.”

“Debra Busher, an expert on child psychology, says:
"Sexual orientation of a parent is critical to the upbringing of a child. Society is based on the ideal of having heterosexual parents, and it goes against values for same sex parents to raise children. Having homosexual parents is also a major stressor for a child due to society's norms and values. It can cause embarrassment and abnormal feelings. Children who are raised in ‘alternative family lifestyles', are more likely to engage in drugs and have negative feelings towards their parents and themselves, than children raised by normal families.” (Qualey)

Sounds like that would be good for the kids. And let me add some real world experience in the mix here..I'm out of high school only 3 1/2 years...kids are mean, especially towards kids who are different.

"Statistics show that 45% of gay males, and 20% of lesbians experience physical or verbal assault while in high school, and 28% of these teenagers feel forced to drop out of school because of harassment about their sexual orientation. ( National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, "Anti-Gay/Lesbian Victimization", New York 1984)

It was this way at my high school, at least towards the males...they didn't seem to mind the lesbians, but I can recall an incident of a guy named Paul getting the #&%!$ kicked out of him everyday for being openly gay. He finally left the school. It wasn't right but it happened and such things will happen regardless of laws, etc. I would assume the bullies would be just as hostile towards children with same sex parents, especially if the parents were men. So again, how is such hostility and negativity good for children?”

“We are talking about law, le subtil. I would hope Logic has a place in it.

It seems that others are so bothered and emotional about the issue as to not be able to discuss it logically, though.

How is a child produced? 1 man, 1 woman.

The rest of this BS is just you libs trying to rationalize and justify a self-centered and un-natural lifestyle.

If you gays want kids, evolve and produce kids. Surely Darwin's theory allows for that, otherwise he is anti-gay marriage too."
c bat
02:54:18 PM
11/18/03

Where does it say marriage is necessary to produce children? You can be unmarried and have children. You can be married and NOT have children. What the hell does reproductive biology have to do with equal rights for gays?”

“A google search on Debra Busher does not reveal her qualifications, but rather a series of articles such as the one above. Most of the articles I turned up were on free term paper sites. Anyone know her credentials?”

“In fact, I find only that quote from above attributed to her from the entire internet. Nothing in the psychology forums or periodicals. Zip.”

“A google search on Phaedrus does not reveal his qualifications, but rather a series of articles on Plato's writings...anyone know of his qualifications? They're not on the internet so he must not be real.”

“Debra Busher* argument would apply to any parents that are subject to powerful negaitve stereotypes. Should Christians not have had kids in Soviet Russia?”

“Where does it say marriage is necessary to produce children? You can be unmarried and have children. You can be married and NOT have children. What the hell does reproductive biology have to do with equal rights for gays?"
Phaedrus
03:13:55 PM
11/18/03


The rest of this BS is just you libs trying to rationalize and justify a self-centered and un-natural lifestyle."
c bat
02:54:18 PM
11/18/03”

“You present evidence from a dubious source and then try to distract people from the fact by slamming me. How feeble.

Here is a link to a scientific study quoted in maryland's courts. The Bosweel Brief directly contradicts your assertation that homosexual parenting is inherently dangerous to children.

Scientific research indicates that gay parents are little different from heterosexual parents.[4] The research provides no support for any belief that gay men or lesbians lack the parenting instincts and ability of heterosexuals. Indeed, two researchers reviewing the scientific literature in this area concluded: "It is evident . . . that both lesbians and gay men who are parents are as sufficient in the roles as heterosexuals, and that the home life they provide is at least of equal quality."[5] The research to date also provides no support for a presumption that children should be restricted from contact with the partners of gay or lesbian parents. To the contrary, there is evidence suggesting that integration of the gay or lesbian parent's partner into the family unit will generally have a positive effect.[6] Thus, the scientific research provides no empirical support for any categorical presumption about custody or visitation on the basis of a parent's sexual orientation.”

“don't fault anyone for believing all people should be treated with equality, dignity and respect. people should only be judged by their work ethic, integrity and the way they treat others.

some people don't feel that way, and i pity them. i'd hate to have such animosity in my heart.

as for c bat's comment that gays in the USA bears some responsibility for terrorism, such a comment is so idiotic and childish; next time, don't waste your time to type it.”

“I see you have nothing substantive to add, C bat.”

“A gay young man will most certainly face a rough time at best in the vast majority of high schools. A straight young man being raised in an openly gay family will face a similar situation. Unless you want to dispute the obvious nature of youth and cite some liberal psychologist?”