Massachusetts to allow gay marriage

“I have never approached a person for sex in the manner that homosexuals have approached me. That is correct.”
bbw
10:44:37 AM
11/03/04
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Well, I have a lifetime of empirical evidence that straight men act in just as an immoral (accourding to your standards BBW) fashion when it comes to trying to get laid as your encounters with gay men.

I have had my ass grabbed many a time as I'm just trying to walk down a street, in my corporate clothes as much as my casual clothes! I have received offers from pathetic old rich guys to be my sugar daddy in their sad attempts to get laid. I have been groped while dancing with my friends at clubs. I have been followed down streets being cat-called, etc. The list goes on..

So, your basis for deeming gay as immoral is weak because straight people are just as guilty as gay people when it comes to trying to come.

One more thing to add, according to your standards of immorality, all straight men are immoral. That's ridiculous right?

Booya!
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“Personally, I think people should be free to choose who they want to love and be with. (and, for some, it isn't who they "choose" consciously, but the way that nature created them.)

Who are we to judge them? (isn't that up to their "maker" to determine what is right or wrong in the end?)

The other thing is that gay marriage is not recognized by most states to begin with (and many will not recognize the unions from other states either.) I see no point in making it part of state law.... It's not like tomorrow 1/2 of the U.S. will decide to "go gay" and marry someone of the same sex...

Unfortunately, in Michigan, the proposition passed and will now change our constitution.

My question is this-- were people afraid that people will all of a sudden rush by the millions into gay marriages just because they can? Seems a bit far-fetched to me.”

“Who are we to judge them? (isn't that up to their "maker" to determine what is right or wrong in the end?)

I don't think it could have been said better. All you holy rollers should know a little something about this.”

“Who's getting to decide that there's some sort of all mighty powerful "maker"?”

“The religous right”

“Bill decides to better himself by taking college classes at night. The first night of school Bill walks into his first class.
Professor: Good evening ladies and gentlemen welcome to logic 101.
Bill: What is logic?
Professor: Well let me show you with an example. Bill do you own a weed-whacker?
Bill: Why yes.
Professor: Well seeing as you own a weed-whacker using logic I can say you own a home with a lawn. If you own a home, then you are probably married. If you are married I can say you are heterosexual.
Bill: That’s correct
Professor: Well that’s what logic is.
The next day Bill goes to work.
Coworker: How was your first day of school?
Bill: Great, I’m taking a class in logic.
Coworker: What’s that.
Bill: Let me show you. Do you have a weed whacker?
Coworker: No
Bill: Queer”

“Sorry this discussion reminded me of that joke.”

“BBW - no comment?”

“"So, your basis for deeming gay as immoral is weak because straight people are just as guilty as gay people when it comes to trying to come"

the girl makes an extremely good point. what say you, bbw?”

“It's because we are right Twinkle, I mean left, I mean, well you know what I mean.”

“That's why I said "maker" and put it in quotes vs. saying "God" or "Allah" or "Buddha" or "Mother Earth" or "Zeus", etc...

....and people have the right to not believe in a maker at all...”

“oh god(dess) no, pb, please do not drag religion into this. its problematic enough as a secular discussion”

“"I have never approached a person for sex in the manner that homosexuals have approached me. That is correct.”
bbw
10:44:37 AM
11/03/04
ignore this user"

What did they say? "Boy, you got a purty mouth."”

“Wow! BBW softened ya all up on the election threads and sat back just waiting to go for the trifecta. LOL!

Here in Ohio the issue passed but I voted against it. As long as it's between two concenting adults I'm fine with it.”

“what truly amazes me is that some of you people not only interact with bacpac, but seem to expect a logical, reasonable, or respectful post from her.”

“Crash-- you're probably right there... enough crazy nonsense to begin with, religion is more fuel to the fire.

Either way, how many of the people who voted to change their state's constitution (to ban it) would have actually been affected by a gay marriage?

In fact, how many people on this thread have had gay friends who would be affected by the ban? If it was your best friend or your only child or your sibling or parent who was in the gay and wanted to spend the rest of his or her life with a loving partner, would you still vote the same way?

Would their wanting love and happiness REALLY make that much of a NEGATIVE impact on YOUR every day life?”

“I have NEVER, and I mean NEVER approached another human being in public for sexual pleasure. Especially a rest stop. But still, I am immoral because I am "gay".

I have had several straight men in my lifetime, do to me just as BBW accuses gay men of doing to him. I never put those straight men in an immoral catagory. I simply told them no and moved on. If they had become persistant in their pursuance, then I would have catagorized them as potential rapists.

Now I will take my "immoral" self and carry on with my "immoral" life and curse the Maker for creating so many ignorant people.”

“Nigal, you are still in the minority.”

“lol @ Nigal & Sacco. I fell hook, line and sinker for it this time.”

““I have NEVER, and I mean NEVER approached another human being in public for sexual pleasure. Especially a rest stop. But still, I am immoral because I am "gay".

I agree. It is absolutely ignorant and a misnomer to equate ‘gay’ with ‘pervert’. It would be interesting to see what the percentage of straights engaging in perversion compared to gays. I especially hate the gay man = child molester.

I must say though Wolfie, when I first met you I had already shed many of the preconceived notions of my earlier years when I thought I had everything figured out. Meeting you only confirmed my beliefs. You came into my life right on time.”

“Nigal, What is the percentage of straight men vs homosexuals who molest children?”

“How many of those are priests?”

““Nigal, What is the percentage of straight men vs homosexuals who molest children?”

That's what I'd like to know.”

“The reason I ask, is that I was told at one time that most pedophiles were homosexual. I don't recall where the info came from and thought you might know.”

“bbw, you are the only person who I ever have heard that has had a persistantproblem with homosexuals as a result of being approached in public places. As you have told me many times before, I think you engage in too much hyperbole.”

“It's not often you see a "homosexual" in the news who has killed his spouse and unborn child, or ran over his spouse with a vehicle or molested the little boys that have been left in his care as he wears a religious robe or left his children in a hot car or went to his spouse's workplace and shot her in the head along with some of her co-workers, just to name a few. My point? Crazy is crazy. The above instances involve straight people. At least that is what the TV says.
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“Molesting children is a control/power thing. Gay behaviour is not about control/power.”

“many molestation cases involve men with little boys, but pedophilia has absolutely nothing to with being homo or heterosexual.

it doesn't even have anything to do with sex.
it is the same as rape.

it is about power and dominance, not sex.”

“Ditto!”

“heres another thought that will probably fly right by you, bbw. if we allow the marys to marry and just be more out of the closet and open in general, dontcha think theyd be less likely to have to resort to hitting on you in rest-stops and parks? hmmmmmmmmm?”

“nigals probably right. im sure bbw/bacpac?/missannethrope is just trolling us”

“nigal is def. right, but only cause he beat me by 27 seconds in posting.”

“heres another thought that will probably fly right by you, bbw. if we allow the marys to marry and just be more out of the closet and open in general, dontcha think theyd be less likely to have to resort to hitting on you in rest-stops and parks? hmmmmmmmmm?
Crash Bang
12:10:23 PM
11/03/04

Sorry, but your reasoning doesn't quiet hold water. The reason for rest-stop/park meeting is contrary to monogamy.”

“I think the study was of child molestation cases in schools. Anyone familiar with this?”

“"Sorry, but your reasoning doesn't quiet hold water. The reason for rest-stop/park meeting is contrary to monogamy.”

and your point is?

theyre being forced into this kind of behaviour because theyre fearful for their lives and well-being if they were to be more open. yes, it is contrary to a healthy, monogamous relationship. i agree 100 percent. that doesnt negate my point that if we allowed them to be more open, they wouldnt have to resort to such desperate measures.”

“Dang Crash, did you know there are these things called gay bars? There's no need to go to rest stops and parks.”

“As most of you know, I find nothing immoral about homosexuality.

That being said, Gay men are about the most promiscuous things on this planet and they'll be the first to admit it. Multiple partners and quickies with strangers in club restrooms are not that uncommon.

More proof that women are the limiting factor in sexual relationships. :D”

“i bet there are more gay bars on one block in san franciso than in all of arkansas, alabama, mississippi, and georgia combined”

“bring out the gimp”

“if we allow the marys to marry and just be more out of the closet and open in general
Crash Bang

I guess I made the foolish assumption that marriage was based on a monogamous relationships.

theyre being forced into this kind of behaviour because theyre fearful for their lives and well-being if they were to be more open.
Crash Bang

Fearful for their lives? How much more wide open, stick it in your face can you get than explicit PDA in the middle of a public park?”

“I found this study which concludes that homosexual men are many times more likely to be pedophiles, but it is not the study that I originally saw.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3”

“How do you explain NAMBLA?”

“I know a quite a few monogomous men.

And although I don't know him personally, Dan Savage is monogomous and has a child he adopted with his partner. Luckily he's rich and can afford stuff without being "married"

Wonder how easy it is for two men to adopt a child? Of course, there is a limited number of children waiting for that "right" couple, eh?”

“I am opposed to adoption by homosexuals also.”

“Why doesn't that surprise me?”

“Because, I am consistent.”

“Yes, you are. I will give you credit for that...”

“Where did the pro 'mo lobby go?”

“Bend over boy!”

“Hey, didn't I see you in the city park?”