Savage Gulf 1/16-18/04

“You better believe it! Pretty soon I will be able to wip you ASS!

MOOOOOOHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!”

“I'd just like to say that I'm looking forward to meeting everyone on this trip as well. I just hope that we all fit in the park!

I am going to bring my two-person tent just in case. That will probably push me over 30 pounds, but I'm a big boy and can take it.”

“Whip? or wipe?

Big difference!”

“All I know is its a big woods and everyone hikes there own hike!


8)”

“whip, sorry!

I will be at the back of the pack on this trip. Don't want a gravy spill from the knee makin the trail slippery for everyone.

I was just playin with you Mike.”

“Probably back with me then, I'm a naturally slow hiker. That's why I'm thinking of slacking the first day of this hike.”

“I have no choice. Looking foward to taking it slow.

Like Divinity, I am very much looking foward for this trip and meeting a lot of new faces.

I did not sleep much last night because I am already worring about forgeting stuff.”

“Me too...got to make my list and check it 200 times....”

“I will do my usual and pack Thursday night or Friday morning. I will check the weather Thursday evening, of course it will change by Friday morning.

Question, we know what the speed of light is but does anyone know the speed of dark?”

“What, ewker? You aren't familiar with the speed of Dark?



David Mar, PhD, School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Many people (mostly second year students) think that the second year lab is a waste of time. Well, to quash these ugly rumours once and for all, we present an ingenious new method for measuring the speed of light with high accuracy, using no more equipment than that easily found lying around the lab.

Have you ever noticed that when you switch off a laser, there is a noticeable time delay before the spot of light actually disappears? Utilising this important observation, a laser was set up to project a beam of light down the length of the lab, and the time delay between switching the laser off and the disappearance of the red spot on the front wall was measured with a stopwatch.

Ten observations of this time were made, shown below:

0.38 s 0.53 s 0.44 s 0.34 s 0.37 s

0.38 s 0.37 s 0.37 s 0.47 s 0.41 s

The mean time and standard error of the mean from these readings was 0.41 +/- 0.01 s, but since the readings of 0.53 s, 0.44 s, and 0.47 s are clearly anomalous [This is a great word to use when describing data you don't like.] , they were discarded. The mean of the remaining seven readings was 0.374 +/- 0.001 s, which is clearly a better result since the uncertainty is so much lower [Always a good justification for throwing away dodgy data.]

The distance from the exit aperture of the laser to the diffuse reflecting planar surface upon which the coherent light beam was observed [The front wall of the lab.] was carefully measured [With the "end to end" technique using two wooden metre rules.] and found to be 18.49 +/- 0.01 m.

Applying careful thought to the peculiarities of the chosen geometry, it was realised that the photons of the light beam were actually travelling twice this distance---to the front wall and then back again to the eye after reflection. The total distance travelled by the light is therefore 36.98 +/- 0.02 m.

Dividing the distance travelled by the observed time lag, the deduced speed is 98.9 +/- 0.3 m/s . Thoughtful readers will have realised already that this is not actually the speed of light, per se, but the speed of dark, as the observations were made of the time lag between turning the laser off and observing the arrival of the dark at the front wall.

However, it can easily be shown by symmetry arguments that the speed of dark is related to the speed of light by

c = 3*pi*c_dark / 8*alpha^3

where

alpha = e^2 * 4*pi*hbar /
Sqrt(epsilon_0*mu_0)

which equals 7.29735E-3,is the dimensionless atomic fine structure constant.

Performing the calculation, the resultant speed of light from this experiment is (2.998 +/- 0.009)*10^8 m/s , which is consistent with the accepted value of 2.99792*10^8 m/s. In fact, the agreement is good to the fifth significant figure, indicating that the uncertainty estimates used throughout the experiment were somewhat conservative”

“It's the speed of light leaving: 3.0 x 10⁵km·sec^-1”

“Thanks Chili, I appreciate the hard work you went through to get that for me....lol”

“I am going to bring my two-person tent just in case. - bitpusher

In case of what? In case some hot chick needs a place to sleep? ;)

yams a maybe, embear hasn't posted in ages, divinity, smokygirl, trekkngirl, MrsCMB, and cottonsocks are taken, etc....”

“lol...Well, with this many people coming, we might run into the tent limits that they impose at Savage Gulf...I wouldn't mind sharing with a guy as long he didn't, you know, touch me or anything.”

“bit - Have you seen Anger Management? I can see you bunking with someone and you become Adam Sandler and the other guy becomes Jack Nicholson

chili - WTF - "Have you ever noticed that there is a delay between the time you turn off a laser and the time the dot dissappers?" Hell no I haven't noticed that. I haven't played with lasers since first year physics in college. Who goes around playing with lasers?”

“OK I'm not sharing a tent with you then dayhiker...lol....”

“Who goes around playing with lasers?"
dayhiker
01:16:07 PM

Deer hunters have laser gunsights quite offen nowadays.”

“ok...so what are the forcasts so far????”

“There you go Div

"Fri
Jan 16 Partly Cloudy 39°/28° 20 %
Sat
Jan 17 Mostly Cloudy 45°/29° 20 %
Sun
Jan 18 Partly Cloudy 46°/25° 20 %
Mon
Jan 19 Partly Cloudy 42°/25° 10 %"”

“I think Wounded Knee posted that earlier on the thread today...

here...”

“yams a maybe, embear hasn't posted in ages, divinity, smokygirl, trekkngirl, MrsCMB, and cottonsocks are taken, etc...."
StoveStomper
12:49:20 PM
01/12/04

I know that smokygirl,trekkngirl, MsCMB, cottonsocks are taken and that Yam and embear are maybes, but who is divinity with? Care to explain Stove”

“That is where I pulled it from. I just checked it again, nothing has changed.

On Wednesday, I will give a minute by minute shakedown of the weather.”

“Thanks.....I guess I missed the weather post before.....

sounds good....cold & dry .....

well..I guess I am going to go pack....wooohooo”

“It would be easier for us if the NWS would just establish a weather station there and have it post every 15 minutes to this thread.

What the hell do I pay taxes for anyway?”

“Ewker - I'm picking up divinity on my way north and have talked her into shareing a tent with me for this trip. Lord knows why she said yes. Might be that's 4 or 5 pounds less in her backpack. ;)

So I hear by claim her! She's taken! Well, until she punches me in the nose anyway. ;)”

“Love Shack!”

“I sooooo wish I could go. You all sound like you might be kinda interesting. Will there be another big trip like this some day soon?”

“Tin roof........rusted......”

“vicsaw - the Southern Clan of TT is the cream of the crop. ;)”

“When will I have another chance to meet you all?”

“vicsaw - Very easy. Check this page, sign up, and show up at the trailhead.”

“I too have seen the weather for this trip and I am very happy about it.

8)”

“I'm getting excited too. It looks like I get to leave a fleece, a pair of pajama pants, the extra down quilt, and the 2nd ground pad at home. That should add up to about 4#'s.

I'm not sure I've ever taken this much food on a trip.

Breakfast: lots of hot chocolate and oat meal
Lunch: PBJ tortillas. The jelly is homemade peach.
Supper: Sausage hot dogs with kraut and good mustand with vanilla pudding for desert
Snack: Nila wafers with peanut butter
Lots of lemondade and some amber beverage to boot.”

“I'm bringin a turkey...and some charcoal...gonna dig a hole and put the charcoal in and then put the turkey (wrapped in foil) in the hole then cover it up and the eat roasted turkey late in the evening.”

“Now that sounds much better than my sausage hot dogs! It took 12 hours the last time I smoked a turkey. I'll bet roasting it is much quicker. My tent goes next to stikmons and first dibs on turkey goes to me.”

“We might bring some of them hot dogz!


8)”

“It is about 12 miles from the Collins West parking area to the Savage Ranger Station parking area”

“I need a ride, I am thinking about going on this trip by Chili will not be attending and I need a ride. Is anyone coming thru Memphis or Jackson that can help me out on Friday afternoon?”

“Can stikmon not come that way? Or are the times just not right?”

“Not sure bit, I am waiting on him to call me. Chili is keeping the kids so I can come along with yall!! What a man! However I do not wanna drive b/c I am not sure if I owill be able to find it, along with a few minor details other than that.”

“It's not that hard to find, when would you be coming?”

“you are welcome to drive with me. I will be passing Jackson @ 6:30pm on Fri evening.

We can meet at the entrance to the highway. there is a gas station ( I think its a shell or something non exxon) that is right by the entrance that I turn off of. I come down 412 and enter the highway (40) there. Does that help?”

“driving with my pants off.”

“Unless you want cottonsocks to kick your ass...”

“I can see it now, stikky's rav4 pulls into the parking lot, but it's not him driving...he's handcuffed to the luggage rack, with no pants on, screaming out directions to cottonsocks, who's driving, and begging to be let back in the cab.

I better bring plenty of film.”

“now theres a thought.

gettin my A$$ womped by a woman...cool...

ummm that didn't come out just right...forget that last statement...I need a beer, but I gotta get out of work first.”

“stikmon u still there @ work?”

“If she doesn't chicken out, she will be there. Ok, so everyone of you need to pack an extra pound of snacks to cut down on her pack weight.

Let's see, thirty people, thirty pounds of snacks, that should be about right.

Stickmon is going to boil her water for meals so she doesn't burn herself.

Long about Saturday night, while I am at Hooters treating the kids to Hotwings, I will think about you guys.”

“Thanks Stikmon!!”

“hey vic~
sorry to hear you can't make it...maybe next time!! (ps hope your trip to CO went great!)


as far as if I end up going...it wouldn't be until Saturday that I'd be rolling in.”