“They aren't just the "other" party anymore....”

“You call it Jihad!

I call it using your right as an American to reject, through democratic elections, what you feel is not serving the interests of the majority of Americans and replacing it with another elected official.”

“Spin, spin, spin, spinnin' like a spinnin' top
She got a crazy little partner
Ya oughtta see 'em reel and rock
As long as she got a dime
The music don't never stop”

“Dang, Mtnsteve.

Do you have a link for that? There's a few people I need to email that to.


In Other News... I heard last night that Orin Hatch may be dragging his feet on investigating the Republican staffers than broke into that Democratic Senate computer system. They Really need to roast those suckers.”

“Orin Hatch is a peculiar fellow.

He's all about "lockin' 'em up and throwin' away the key" when it come to petty criminals.”

“Watch the video of Rumsfeld being caught in a lie.

http://www.uspoliticstoday.com/news.php?nid=7171”

“I heard a good one on Rush today. A listenter called in:

Rush: Caller, you're on the air

Caller: Thanks, Rush. Mega dittos. I'm worried about our man Bush in the upcoming election.

Rush: What's that?

Caller: I think he should have stayed in Afganistain and went after Al-Queda, instead of going into Iraq.

Rush: Aaahhh, wellllll, what show have you be listening to? I'm mean, well, you know.....Is this the typical Demicratic line here? I'm mean......well.....I don't know what to do with this guy........What are you.....Al-Queda is IN iraq......you...well....




Classic!!”

“Beauty, guys.


Somebody ought to tell the old junkie mo-fo that we KNOW terrorists are in Iraq.... NOW!”

“You know, I think that they are just confused.

After the war, the schools reopened and the teachers came back.

Maybe those are the terrorists the Bush administration keeps talking about.”

“Iraq wasn't about WMD,
it wasn't about Saddam
it wasn't about freedom for the people of Iraq.
It was about pillaging the country for oil and anything Bush's soldiers could loot....never mind this loot belonged to the Iraqi people:

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A year after the U.S.-led invasion toppled Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq, items touted as having come from Saddam's palaces have turned up for sale on the auction Web site eBay.

The seller of one secondhand rug lists the previous owner of the roughly 6-by-9-foot piece of carpet as ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Customers can also bid on silverware embossed with the Iraqi army's crest and a copy of the Koran, the Muslim holy book, which is purported to be from a Baghdad compound.

A spokesman for U.S. Central Command told CNN that U.S. troops should have been prohibited from bringing such items home from Iraq. But the men selling the items say they had no trouble bringing them back.

Spc. Adam Dearinger, who is asking a minimum of $850 for the rug, is among those who brought home war trophies with no problems.

"We didn't think we were going to be able to get them home, but they said we could take 10 items," Dearinger said.

He and other members of his unit at first took rugs from one of Saddam's many palaces to soften their quarters in a hangar at Baghdad International Airport, he said.

Dearinger, 21, was part of the 3rd Forward Support Battalion -- part of the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, which led the advance on the Iraqi capital from the west.

"We went through about 15 or 20 different palaces," he said. In one, "There were 15 rugs there, and every one of us grabbed one and we took them."

Another Iraq war veteran, Brian Cramer, is asking $150 for a Koran he said he found in one Baghdad compound.

Cramer's unit, the 519th Military Police Battalion, followed the 3rd Infantry Division into the Iraqi capital as Saddam's government collapsed.

"We got up there to Baghdad International Airport, and then we went around -- the guy told us it was sort of palace hunting. We were looking for a place to stay," he said.

"I went in there and there was this room that was all blown up," he added. "I found this Koran and I found, like, a prayer robe -- that's what the Iraqis told me it was."

Cramer, who now lives in Pennsylvania, said he found two copies of the book in a section of the palace hit by a precision-guided bomb during the three-week invasion. He said he is saving the other copy for his 5-month-old son.

Both Cramer and Dearinger said the items they're now selling were declared and cleared by U.S. Customs upon their return home.

"They didn't say anything bad about taking the rugs home, or artifacts. They considered them war trophies," Dearinger said.

But Cmdr. Dan Gage, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command, said soldiers are not allowed to bring back "war trophies" -- only legally purchased souvenirs.

"Would this fall under that? I don't know," Gage said.

Dearinger said decisions about what was a legitimate souvenir were left up to individual commanders. But Gage said the regulations covering war trophies don't appear to leave much to an officer's discretion.

"How strictly that's enforced, I really couldn't speak for these units," he said.

Cramer, 24, was sent home in August after he re-tore a previously injured knee ligament while on patrol in Baghdad. He left the Army in October and is now studying to be a civilian police officer.

He said Customs classified his copies of the Koran "as a piece of history."

Dearinger is still in the Army, stationed at Fort Stewart, Georgia. He's also offering silverware from an Iraqi palace for sale.

He said he brought home numerous items from the palaces, including crystal and a teapot with a woman's figure inlaid in colored glass -- "different little things I thought would be nice to take home to the wife."”

“and i have a bridge in brooklyn id like to sell you”

“Prepared at the direction of Rep. Henry A. Waxman, the Iraq on the Record Database is a searchable collection of 237 specific misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq made by the five Administration officials most responsible for providing public information and shaping public opinion on Iraq: President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Powell, and National Security Advisor Rice.”

“from his address last night:

"Iraq's national leaders are getting some things done," such as "sharing oil revenues with the provinces" and allowing "former Baathists to rejoin Iraq's military or receive government pensions."

sounds good, right?

oops.

less than a month ago, the president himself complained that the Iraqi government was failing to address these issues. "Unfortunately, political progress at the national level has not matched the pace of progress at the local level," Bush said on Aug. 18. "The Iraqi government in Baghdad has many important measures left to address, such as reforming the de-Baathification laws, organizing provincial elections and passing a law to formalize the sharing of oil revenues."

last night he also asserted that Baqubah, the capital of Diyala province, was once an al-Qaeda stronghold but that "today, Baqubah is cleared."

hmmmm.

on Aug. 27, the head of the State Department team in Diyala said the security situation was anything but stable:

"Everything is based around security; if we have security, then we can bring in agencies like USAID," John Melvin Jones said. "It's going to take a while before the security situation gets stable enough so that you can have a lot of these other agencies involved.

Bush also thanked "the 36 nations who have troops on the ground in Iraq."

well gee whiz.

the State Department's most recent weekly report on Iraq said there are 25 countries supplying 11,685 troops (an average of 500 troops each) -- or about 7 percent of the size of the U.S. forces.

so is he being deceptive? or is he just delusional?”

“It's the corporate pipe he's smokin'.”

“this is outdoor related how?”

“One shouldn't smoke inside.”

“It would appear that when this thread was made, the fuegeo clicker wasn't around.


FYI for the newbie web crew:

When old threads like this would pop up in the past, Matt was pretty prompt in re-classifying the thread.

Please make a note of it.”

“Typical Leninist dialog from hikerboy.
Spin the truth into a lie. It always amazes me how leftists never research their claims.”

“got a for instance?”

“It would appear that when this thread was made, the fuegeo clicker wasn't around.

laqtis

so noted, but the "chatter" category was. Its decidedly NOT "General Outdoors/Backpacking"”

“"so noted, but the "chatter" category was. Its decidedly NOT "General Outdoors/Backpacking"

I believe that back then chatter was all "we" had to spew on; then Matt came up with the Fuegeo thing and problem solved (for the most part).

I agree. This subject matter is not even close to being outdoor "chatter" under the present categorical framework of this site. Perhaps if we talk to the Net Nanny for this place we might be able to finally see this thread in the proper area.”

“It appears that someone has contracted Wingding/Schutzstaffel Syndrome.”

“(more commonly known as "Old Flame-itis")”

“Speaking of Schutzstaffel, where is SSLOL?”

“i don't know why you dupes think the president has lied to you. don't buy that left-wing propaganda you read about on newspapers you find on the floor of truck stop bathrooms. the president is a good, honest, hard working, god fearing christian man. if he lied jesus has forgiven him for it and who are we to judge him? let he without sin cast the first turd.”

“Let's all get turded.”

“"i don't know why you dupes think the president has lied to you.

........the president is a good, honest, hard working..........."

Where to begin......”

“Is there anybody who works with Bush (in either party) who says he doesn't work hard?

I know the libbies say it, but what evidence is there? Even his vacations are mostly just a relocated office location. Where's the proof?”

“90 proof?”

“
So where are the WMD?
Who was going to pay for the war?
What happened to all those rose petals that were to be thrown at our soldiers?

Whom do you think was duped?



This Is Your Brain.
This Is Your Brain On Fox News:

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”

“there is a difference between being wrong and lying.”

“LOL @ Jimmy, Tilt and da Beast.”

“I'm trying to give Bush credit for not being a total airhead!

                    [voice=art.carney]   sheesh   [/voice]”

“LOL>..when Marky Marks troll chatters...its just buzzing to me...(LOL)”

“Phaedrus, Buck, laqtis; do you work?”

“I've had friends that built houses. For every hour they worked on the house it would take me two hours to demolish and rebuild it. Does Bush work hard?”

“yeah, but they were part of a union and didn't HAVE to work. who repesents our president? he has to stand alone. what a man!”

“Amen”

“He'll never be alone.  There are always a few.

Perhaps very few.... but a few.


BTW, the few remaining worst-case outcomes predicted before the invasion (as reasons not to invade) are now being used to perpetuate the occupation: "failed state," "blood bath,"....

It's bona fide Twilight Zone material.

”

“any president, democrat or republican is one of the hardest working people in all the world...they have stress amounts put on them that most of us would be having a nervous break down in an hour....and they volunteered...but power does have its own allure.....i have compassion for them....even if im not crazy bout them”

“I am constantly amazed at what a huge role Bush plays in the lives of some of the progressives here. Definitely more for them than he is to me.”

“

False Pretenses

Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

By Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith

President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.

On at least 532 separate occasions (in speeches, briefings, interviews, testimony, and the like), Bush and these three key officials, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan, stated unequivocally that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (or was trying to produce or obtain them), links to Al Qaeda, or both. This concerted effort was the underpinning of the Bush administration's case for war.

It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to Al Qaeda. This was the conclusion of numerous bipartisan government investigations, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2004 and 2006), the 9/11 Commission, and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, whose "Duelfer Report" established that Saddam Hussein had terminated Iraq's nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to restart it.

In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Not surprisingly, the officials with the most opportunities to make speeches, grant media interviews, and otherwise frame the public debate also made the most false statements, according to this first-ever analysis of the entire body of prewar rhetoric.

President Bush, for example, made 232 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and another 28 false statements about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Secretary of State Powell had the second-highest total in the two-year period, with 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Rumsfeld and Fleischer each made 109 false statements, followed by Wolfowitz (with 85), Rice (with 56), Cheney (with 48), and McClellan (with 14).

The massive database at the heart of this project juxtaposes what President Bush and these seven top officials were saying for public consumption against what was known, or should have been known, on a day-to-day basis. This fully searchable database includes the public statements, drawn from both primary sources (such as official transcripts) and secondary sources (chiefly major news organizations) over the two years beginning on September 11, 2001. It also interlaces relevant information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches, and interviews.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/”

“Amazing! Why didn't all this come out during the Congressional investigations? You know the ones that refute this B.S.

What about the CIA, that said the President did not manipulate intelligence?

Liberals + Limited Intellect = Conspiracy theory.”

“The best is that the 9/11 Commission even SAID there was convincing evidence. And then of course the thing Vile baby misses during his BUND meetings....there were violations of MULTIPLE UN agreements. Including of course....the surrender documents from the First Gulf War. Vile is like the other hissyfit libbies, he is just angry that Slick didn't get a chance to "do something Presidential" during his terms.”

“I heard that Bush ordered the 9/11 attacks.

What? It's true!”

“Of all the libby groups that support publicintegrity.org, the Streisand Foundation has got to be my favorite. LOL”

“Republicans made sure the US backed out of the International Criminal Court before the invasion.   In US courts actions like that can be used to demonstrate pre-meditation.”

“LOL..Hey Vile you made your reservations to visit the $200 a night "special suite) at the MR President Hotel in Belgrade Serbia? Figure its RIGHT down your alley”

“I purposely use the word "Republicans" to include not only the Bush people, but those in Congress and the electorate who supported those misguided actions.   All have a share in the mayhem that resulted.”