The Terri Schiavo Thread

“http://www.canadafreepress.com/2000/0002.htm

(synopsis below)

The sudden Christmas Eve awakening of Patricia White Bull--in a deep coma for 16 consecutive years--restores our faith in miracles. Having slipped into a catonic state while giving birth to her fourth child Mark Jr., the 42-year-old mother awoke and hugged that very child for the first time.

Mystified doctors could give no explanation for the Christmas Eve awakening. All that was guaranteed was that White Bull had suddenly blurted out: "Don't do that," as nurses were trying to straighten her nursing home bed on Dec. 24.

After 16 years of profound silence, her speech is easy to understand. Her hands, clenched for all of those years, are now unfurled.

ll that is known is that Patricia White Bull stopped breathing when she was delivering son Mark Jr. by Caesarean section. A blood clot had formed in her lung, and although frantic doctors were able to get her breathing again, she had suffered brain damage from lack of oxygen.

Doctors told her family that she would never recover.

After three sad and lonely years, Mark Sr.gradually came to accept that "nothing was going to change."

Moving his children to the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in South Dakota where he had relatives, Mark Sr. raised their children, Cindi, 28; Mark, Jr., 16 and White Bull's other children Floris, 17 and Jesse, 19.

Over time, with White Bull still deep in a coma, he finally sought a divorce. ”

“Have you ever seen what a person who has been in a coma for an extended period is like? It ain’t pretty. It’s not like on the soap operas where they wake up and they are the same as when they went to sleep. I saw one show about a guy who woke up after 19 years. Death would have been preferable.”

“I haven't met somebody in a coma for that long, but I wouldn't discount them as dead if they had a chance to love again.
last edited: 6/01/06 5:05:26 PM”

““I haven't met somebody in a coma for that long, but I wouldn't discount them as dead if they had a chance to love again."



That sounds like an emotional decision, not one based on science & fact!

Sarge is a LIBERAL!!! He thinks with his heart, not his head!
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“If you read this thread, you'd see my decision about Terri has nothing to do with that. Context is everything. Logic says you don't have a right to deprive somebody of water and food.”

“I was having fun, Sarge.”

“Hard to tell lately. Hope you're feeling better.”

“Thanks, I'm doing OK.

How 'bout you... back on the trail yet?”

“Two weeks. Tried last fall, but wasn't ready. We'll see soon enough.”

“From: http://www.usccb.org/prolife/programs/rlp/04doerflinger.htm

"The term "persistent vegetative state" was coined in 1972. Physicians said then that patients with this diagnosis had no consciousness or sensation, and could not recover once they had remained in this state for a certain number of months. The latest findings contradict all this. It turns out that patients diagnosed as being in a "vegetative" state may have significant brain waves, and substantial parts of the upper brain may be alive and functioning."



Did Terri have "significant brain waves"? NO.

Did Terri have a brain that was "alive and functioning"? NO.

So would that drug or the one that Patricia took have helped? NO.
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“Speaking of persistent vegetative state, where's saleboard?”

“This thread is in a persistent vegetative state.”

“In related news, this man was just brought back to life.....














wait for it.................................























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“Walt ... Walt Dismal.”

“Where's Minnie Mouse and why is Walt smiling?”

“Ooops, the ol pet in the colon trick?”

“wow. good thing they did not make her die of thirst. too late for terri schiavo though

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=404129&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

Lead researcher Dr Adrian Owen said: "These are startling results. They confirm that, despite the diagnosis of a vegetative state, this patient retained the ability to understand spoken commands and to respond to them through her brain activity."

The finding that someone who appears totally unconscious can react in this way has shocked the medical community who described it as 'spectacular' and 'remarkable'.”

“If we were a truly progressive society we would allow people to chose how they wanna die and she could have had it in a living will to give her an OD of drugs to kill her.”

“when i go, i want to be become one with mother earth by being ground down to my very dna and have that dna merged with the seeds of every plant known to man and then planted around the world, especially in japanese flower gardens”

“Bear...did you hear about the crisis at Disneyland....they walked in on Snow White sitting on Pinnochio's face yelling...LIE YOU LITTLE BA$TARD LIE!”

“wtf does that have to do with terry tivo?

come on, people, we can get this one to two thousand!”

“Right-to-life campaigner Phyllis Bowman said: "I welcome this case and hope it will awaken more people to the rights of people in a persistent vegetative state or are unconscious."

Translation: get the gov't to stick its nose into a decision that should be between family and doctors.

How I hate the religious right. *%&^ing scumbags.”

“terri tivo was in a so-called vegetative state and may have been aware of her surroundings (much to the surprise of the shocked medical community) and of her torturous death”

“mutt, are you aware that the government is already very much involved in medical decisions? how does that have to do with religion? is the FDA a religious organization?”

“Your Sarge is showing.”

“Ah, so moonglo = Sarge. That definitely is a Sarge-ish red herring, at any rate.”

“I'm so thankful Congress tried to intervene to save this woman. She was obviously fine and dandy! So what if the autopsy showed irreversible brain damage, was blind, and that her brain was 1/2 the size it should have been. That puts her on par with most Congressmen and the religious right!”

“no answer then? got it”

“lol - yep! Hiya Sarge!

(how come I'm always last to know about these things?)”

“still no answer - typical”

“Sorry - yes, nothing, and no.”

“Sarge - Under the Bush admin the FDA is most definately a religious organization.”

“dang - I swore I wouldn't get involved in threads like this!”

“dammit moonglob, stay in character!”

“Hey Pepper - it was good line tho'!

Fact of the matter is that Sarge-glo's post, even if the research is upheld, is irrelevant to the case. The issue was decided on what Terri Shiavo's wishes would have been in that situation, not on whether or not she could have some inkling of what was going on around her.”

“decided on by her adultrous "husband"”

“Nope, decided by a court that heard the testimony of many including her husband.

Oh the smell of rotting and well flayed horse flesh!”

“i suppose many heard HER wishes, aside from her "husband"

pedxing, do you agree with every court ruling? scratch that - is every court ruling correct?

should we simplify every court debate down to the ruling itself? that is exactly what you are doing”

“Here we go 'round in circles. I respond to a point, you change the subject and put words in my mouth. Repeat ad nauseum.

Boring!
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“put words in your mouth? i asked you questions dude! typical”

“is sarge back?”

“Personally, I think the Congress had more reason to enter into this debate than what they debated this morning...

...whether to ban horse meat factories in the U.S.

Honest to God. That's what they debated today.”

“"pedxing, do you agree with every court ruling? scratch that - is every court ruling correct?"

What kinda question is that?

Someone please, answer that with a question!”

“moonthing - when do you believe a court ruling is incorrect?”

“come on people, just 255 posts and we can make 2000! well, 254 now”

“why are these things imprtant to you, cb?”

“1749”

“1750”