Hillary Rips Bush a New One

“I know... It's those Flaming Bolsheviks from PBS again!”

“Fascinating discussion, this!


I would like to see a viable government insurance along the lines of TRICARE, which serves the military. Yes, it should be partially subsidized, and yes income limits should apply. This differs from medicare significantly in the delivery and management of the insurance. It relies on the market in that HMO's must bid on the contracts, which the government should grant in regional markets.

This is a proven method of health care delivery that has survived continual budget cuts and continues to provide excellent service to active duty military and their families.

We aren't talking about a free ride for anyone in this. They would have to pay copays and premiums just like other insurance, and these could be deducted from their paychecks just like social security is.”

“Sounds interesting Phaedrus.

One odd notion I had was that healt insurance companies (including HMOs) should sell life insurance to the people they cover. So, when employers give health insurance and life isnurance as benefits, they know the insurance company has a little extra riding on keeping the person healthy. Maybe this could work for government subsidized health insurance, too.

As it is now, malpractice is the only way to make sure it costs the HMOs extra when they mess up. Thing is that HMOs are liable if they refuse to pay for a proceedure that was necessary. The MD is on the line and required to do the procedure even if the HMO has refused to authorize payment. There should be some shared liability along with shared decision making.”

“It blows my mind to think that threre are really people in this country that admire Ms. Clinton and actually think that she is good for this country. I suppose they might even vote for her if they were given a chance.

And to quote her as if something she said was worth repeating, it just defies all logic.”

“What state are you in, troll? Or, does revealing that go against your purpose on this board?”

“Possibly a state of bliss ;^]”

“Treebeard and Tom,
I'm in Oklahoma. You've probably never heard of it.
I understand that since I disagree with you and and have the audacity to admit it publicly that it relagates me to troll status.

Please note though,that I have not resorted to name calling. Nor will I.”

“You know what, I think if every one would spport every one instead of telling every one about there mistakes, I don;t care for all the lieing and #&%!$ that politicians tell us. So what if thats not the way you would do it, Maybe if we would talk about just the good things in a andministrion. They would do more good things. But i really think it is that we can;t put anyone in office with out wanting to take them out, The grass would always be greening with a new pres. Maybe if we would stop worrying about the national debt and worry about all the individual debt we would make the people of the country better off inturn making the country better. Instead of freeing the world from dictaters we should help free our people from poverty, durg addiction and everything eles that impprisons so many amricans. God blessed the usa thats for sure, lets helping bring it back, and then help him bless the rest of the world. Well enugh politics for awhile. Time to get out to the wild were there are no terrioust, well you might call the misqutoes that, no political partys were we don;t care if you are from this country or not. Life would be so much simpler if i could live in a tent and out of my backpack.”

“NoProb, anyone without "user information" is considered a "troll".

Lack of user information usually indicates one's desire to hide behind more than the usual internet anonymity as would a "troll".

"I understand that since I disagree with you and and have the audacity to admit it publicly that it relagates me to troll status"

You "understand" wrong.

And your disdain for Hillary seems to be a rather common pathology.”

“Disdain for Hillary is a symptom of "Pathology". Disdain for GWB is admirable. OK, I understand now.

No information? Just never thought it to be relevent. Guess I can do that. Does that give me more value?”

“I dunno, ask Treebeard.


I try to be charitable toward Dubya as a fellow human being but the rascal should be removed from office.”

“Please note though,that I have not resorted to name calling. Nor will I."
NoProb”

“OK, I went back and re-read my post. I don't see any name calling in what I said. Did I miss something?”

“I’m kind of sick of the drug companies pushing dope all the time. 1,000 times a day. “Do you wake up with eye boogers? Now you can take Selphripim once a day and live a normal, healthy life without the fear of eye boogers.”.

The docs are partially to blame too. They know that the thing that’s going to satisfy their patience the most is a prescription. You go to the doc for a viral infection and 8 times out of 10 he’s STILL going to write you a script for antibiotics even though he KNOWS it will have no effect at all. When on vacation my wife was suffering terribly from a sore throat and head congestion. We found this local hippy doc that ran a small office and he prescribed Popsicles. He wouldn’t write her a script because it was viral and not bacterial. The guy was cool. He took no insurance and no drug rep ever made it into the office, much less get to pitch to him.

I personally feel we are over medicating ourselves. Many of our ills came be treated with herbs and home treatments.”

“You did what you accuse Bush Bashers of doing, that's all.”

“>>>Disdain for Hillary is a symptom of "Pathology". Disdain for GWB is admirable. OK, I understand now.<<<

Dunno, didn't know that was accusing them of anything. I guess I did acuse them of being "admirable". I didn't realize that would be considered offensive.”

“I voted for her. You make it sound like anybody that would is an idiot. Sorry if I am wrong for making that assumption from your words. There are two sides to every issue, my friend. I happen to agree with where she stands on lots of issues. Does that make me stupid? Or just contrary to you? Rick Lazio ran against her and frankly, I couldn't tell you where he stood on ANY issue, because he spent all his money and the better part of a year bashing her and jumping on the anti-Clinton bandwagon. Gee, "it blows my mind that any people would vote for a guy with no stand on anything!"”

“<>

there we all go again its ok to hate one person if thats who i hate but its not ok to hate who i don;t hate. If only no one hated anyone for any reason the country would be much better off”

“"Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has just returned from a badwill
tour of Iraq, seeking to use the façade of saluting the troops and
sharing their Thanksgiving to undermine the political support for
their mission. ... It is fine for a U.S. senator to go to Iraq
to see for herself what the conditions are over there. ... What
is NOT OK is to attack the president while you are there or to
use your visit as a platform to criticize the war effort and
the Pentagon. ... With Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for a friend,
American soldiers don't need any more enemies." --Dick Morris”

“Isn't that the guy that got busted for sleeping with hookers? I'd concider him a great source of reliable info.

All you do is attack, attack, attack......with no substance to your posts. You sound like a blithering idiot. Argue points and facts. Your accusing her of exactly what Bush did. Two wrongs don't make a right. Poor "dood' thinks he's funny and insightful......THAT'S SCARY!”

“at least he doesn't use a blow up doll for a date. you are a friikin jerk-off. there are dozens of jihad bush threads on here and you accuse me of attacking. i'm the only one on here not attacking. anyone can be an a$$hole. you have no interest in substance. you are a shining example of the left's true feelings; anyone who disagrees is stupid & citizens aren't smart enough to make their own choices. socialism. the left wants to rule, not lead.


maybe you can be our furor, laq.....since you're so smart.”

“I'd vote Hillary for prez just to see millions of wingers go bonkers.”

“You so baaaadddd!”

“Strat couldn't prove my point any better!

Keep up the good work! Your country needs you!”

“JIHAD BLOW UP DOLLS!!”

“Hmmm... so for Strat Dick Morris is a highly reliable and respectable source?”

“"The left doesn't seem to ever want to answer the question, "Well, what would you do?"."
-- Nigal
07:00:13 PM
12/07/03


For example?:

KOPPEL: Governor Dean, you no doubt...

(APPLAUSE)

... you no doubt heard or heard about Senator Clinton's views that we will, in all probability, have to keep if not the same number, possibly even a greater number of U.S. troops in Iraq for some extended time to come.

Do you share that view?

DEAN: I don't share that view. I think we need to bring in foreign troops. I think Senator Kerry is right.

First of all, here's what has to happen. What the United States did was appoint an governing council for Vermont -- for Vermont, for Iraq.

(LAUGHTER)

That was -- they'd like to appoint one for Vermont these days, I'm sure.

You cannot expect the Iraqis to think that they have their own government if we're appointing their people. We need an election.

Oddly enough, one of the mullahs over there who is a conservative Shiite is right. If you don't have an election, then the Iraqis themselves are going to have no investment in their reconstruction.

KOPPEL: And if you do have an election, then the Shiites hold a significant majority.

DEAN: They may, but it doesn't -- the Shiites are not necessarily uniform. Those people -- actually, the model is Afghanistan.

Our military did a great job in Afghanistan. And I supported the war in Afghanistan because 3,000 of our people had been killed, and I thought we had a right to defend ourselves.

But the fact is, since the military did a great job, this president has made a mess of it. He's trying to turn Afghanistan into a democratic country by signing over four-fifths of the country to the warlords.

However, the thing we ought to take out of Afghanistan is their model for how they're writing their constitution. They had an elected group of people who came to meet in Kabul for quite some time. They wrote a constitution which is an Afghan version of democracy. That can work in Iraq, and that's the first prerequisite.

Secondly,...

KOPPEL: You're talking about doing a constitution before you have an election?

DEAN: No, we're talking about doing the election first in order to have the people who write the constitution who are not seen by the Iraqi people as stooges of the Americans.

DEAN: That's the only way to get the Iraqis to buy into their own constitution.

Then we need to go to all those countries that the president insulted on his way into Iraq and get them to rethink their policy towards helping us under the auspices of both the United Nations and ourselves.

That means a new president. This president is never going to repair the damage he did to the moral leadership of this country, because he's incapable of it. He personalizes policy difference, and that is a fatal mistake when you're running anything, whether it's a business or a state or a country.

If we do that, we will be able to do what the president's father successfully did, which is bring 100,000 foreign troops into Iraq, preferably from Arabic-speaking and Muslim nations, to internationalize the reconstruction of Iraq.

Now, the reason I agree with Senator Clinton is this. We will be able to withdraw our Guard and Reserves -- who have no business being over there for a 12-month tour of duty -- we will be able to withdraw at least one of the two divisions. But we will not be able to withdraw an American presence.

The tragedy of what we did in Iraq, which I have opposed right from the beginning, is that now we're stuck there, because there was no serious threat to the United States from Saddam Hussein, but there is a threat from an Iraq with Al Qaida in it or with a fundamentalist Shiite regime which is closely allied with the Iranians.

President Bush said a few weeks ago on a Sunday night that Iraq was at the crossroads of the battle against terrorism.

DEAN: That wasn't true before we went in, but he has made it so and he has endangered the security of the United States of America by going into Iraq and that was a mistake.

KOPPEL: And having said that...

KUCINICH: Ted?

KOPPEL: ... I just want to make sure I understand you correctly and then...

(APPLAUSE)

KUCINICH: Ted?

KOPPEL: Just one second.

KUCINICH: Ted?

KOPPEL: I just want to make sure that I understand Governor Dean correctly. In other words, you're saying, given where we are today, a continuing presence of some number of U.S. troops is going to be essential over a period of, what, years?

DEAN: Over a period of a few years, until the Iraqis really are able to have a democracy which is strong enough not to allow Al Qaida to emerge and has a constitution that's widely enough respected so they will not have a fundamentalist Shiite regime.



There were plenty of other solutions offered up by the other candidates in last night's debate. So yes, "empty rhetoric" is a fair characterization.”

“Hillary is the root of all evil!”

“Honestly, I would rather have Bush Part Deux, than Billary. Takes a village to raise a child....BLECH! It takes a village to watch yer old man!”

“And with Lil' Georgie Butch in the Whorehouse, whose watchin' the store?”

“And who is putting away the books while someone is being an idiot on the Internet?”

“On their tour of tsunami damage in Southeast Asia, former President Bill Clinton allowed his predecessor, former President George H.W. Bush, to sleep on the plane's only bed while he stretched out on the floor.
Bush found the gesture most generous, though was in immediate shock to find a slumbering Hillary Clinton.

"It was suppose to be a surprise for President Clinton." Said a spokesperson for Sen. Clinton. "Apparently his sources got wind of the visit and took preemptive measures."

"We could have switched places, each getting half-a- night of rest, and a half-a-night of sheer terror in the bed, but he wouldn't defer to me" Bush said.

Bill Clinton was found the next morning hiding in the luggage compartment.”

“Sen. Hillary Clinton Slams Bush in Speech
Monday, July 11, 2005

ASPEN, Colo. — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton went on the attack against President Bush in a speech Sunday, accusing him of damaging the economy by overspending while giving tax cuts to the rich.

The Democrat from New York also accused Bush of depriving U.S. soldiers of equipment needed to fight the war in Iraq and cutting funding for scientific research.

"I sometimes feel that Alfred E. Neuman is in charge in Washington," Clinton said referring to the freckle-faced Mad magazine character. She drew a laugh from crowd when she described Bush's attitude toward tough issues with Neuman's catchphrase: "What, me worry?"

Clinton, who was speaking during the inaugural Aspen Ideas Festival, organized by the Aspen Institute nonpartisan think tank, didn't mention the presidential election in 2008.

She said the United States should remain in Iraq until peace can be maintained by the Iraqi people, saying the mission was part of the "long struggle against terrorism" by the U.S.

"The threat of terrorism is as close as our daily commute," said Clinton, adding that people around the world admired the "famous resilience" of the British in the wake of last week's terrorist attacks.

When it came to the economy, Clinton accused the Bush administration of focusing on helping the wealthy while hurting the middle class, which she said has been key to Americans' success and stability.

She said the middle class is now being threatened by an ailing economy caused by the growing national debt, growing health care costs, the loss of pensions and the loss of manufacturing diversity. Clinton also said the U.S. needs to focus on exploring alternative energy sources to become less reliant on oil.






The GOP had this to say:
GOP Angered By Sen. Clinton's Critique of Bush
Monday, July 11, 2005

ALBANY, N.Y. — Republicans took aim at Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday for comparing President Bush to Mad magazine's freckle-faced, "What, me worry?" kid, Alfred E. Neuman.

A Republican National Committee official said the former first lady was "part of today's angry and adrift Democrat Party," while a spokesman for one of her potential 2006 Senate rivals said she was guilty of "insulting the president."

"At a time when President Bush and most elected officials are focused on the security of our nation, Mrs. Clinton seems focused on taking partisan jabs and promoting her presidential campaign," added New York's GOP chairman, Stephen Minarik. "Her priorities are clearly out of whack."

Clinton's attack on the president came Sunday during a speech in Colorado.

"I sometimes feel that Alfred E. Neuman is in charge in Washington," Clinton said during the inaugural Aspen Ideas Festival, organized by the Aspen Institute, a non-partisan think tank.

The former first lady drew a laugh from the crowd when she described Bush's attitude toward tough issues with Neuman's catch phrase: "What, me worry?"

As Clinton gears up for a Senate re-election race in New York next year and a possible White House presidential bid in 2008, her attacks on Bush have become sharper.

In her speech Sunday, she accused the president of damaging the economy by overspending while giving tax cuts to the rich, depriving U.S. soldiers of equipment needed to fight the war in Iraq and cutting funds for scientific research.

"Hillary Clinton's opportunistic attempt to market herself as a centrist is like a wolf dressing up in sheep's clothing," said RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt. "Such thinly veiled rhetoric doesn't change the fact she is part of today's angry and adrift Democrat Party."

Thomas Basile, a spokesman for potential Senate challenger Edward Cox (search), a son-in-law of the late President Nixon, said while Clinton was "busy insulting the president across the country, she is failing to produce the homeland security and transportation funding" the state needs.

Clinton has been accusing the Bush administration of providing inadequate funding for New York's security needs.

While national polls show the former first lady to be leading the pack among potential 2008 Democratic presidential contenders, Clinton has said she is too wrapped up in her Senate work and re-election effort to think about that.
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“I think I love her ! I'm from NYS, voted for her the first time & will again.”

“Go Hillary!!”

“I love it when this kunt speaks. She says everything the world needs to hear to know where she's coming from...nowhere.”

“Misogynist pig !!”

“WHOA! He said a bad word!”

“A young Southern boy goes off to college, but about 1/3 waythrough the semester, he has foolishly squandered what money his parents gave him.

Then he gets an idea. He calls his Redneck father. "Dad," he says, "you won't believe the wonders that modern education are coming up with!

Why, they actually have a program here that will teach Fido how to talk!"

"That's absolutely amazing!" his father says. "How do I get him in that program?"

"Just send him down here with $1000," the boy says, "I'll get him into the course."

So, his father sends the dog and the $1000. About 2/3 way through the semester, the money runs out.
The boy calls his father again.

"So how's Fido doing, son?" his father asks.

"Awesome, dad, he's talking up a storm," he says, "but you just won't believe this - they've had such good results with this program, that they've implemented a new one to teach the animals how to READ!"

"READ!?" says his father, "No kidding! What do I have to do to get him in that program?"

"Just send $2,500, I'll get him in the class."His father sends the money.

The boy has a problem. At the end of the year, his father will find out that the dog can neither talk nor read.
So he shoots the dog.

When he gets home, his father is all excited. "Where's Fido? I just can't wait to see him talk and read something!"

"Dad," the boy says, "I have some grim news.
This morning, when I got out of the shower, Fido was in the living room kicking back in the recliner, reading the mornin g paper, like he usually does.
Then he turned to me and asked, 'So, is your daddy still messin' around with that little redhead who lives on Oak Street?'

The father says, "I hope you SHOT that lyin' son of a #&%!$!"

"I sure did, Dad!"

"That's my boy"”

“Great dog story!

I'm not sure what Hillary's problem is other than the same problem every Senator of both parties have. Its easy to look from the outside in and second guess everything, heck her track record and certainly her husbands are no better....and no worse than W's.”

“heck her track record and certainly her husbands are no better....and no worse than W's.”
Landser
3:39:44 PM
7/11/05

She has a track record from being a President..dang when did i miss that”

“It was two years ago, you totally missed it!

I was referring to her Senate years. She, as with all public officials is far from perfect. You did notice her husband was President right?”

“hmmm, so she was President 2 yrs ago and Bush wasn't? what happened

her husband was President, cool ;)”

“Interesting, a republican talks like that about a democrat and everybody comes unglued, Sweet Hillary talks like that about a republican and she is praised.”

“I know, I know.

It's scandalous.

Especially after the fine way you folks spoke (and still speak) about her and her husband.”

“Actually I was thinking more along the line of public figures. Delay speaks you jerks go nuts. Hillary speaks you have an orgasm.
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“Please stop fanaticizing about my emissions.”

“It's going to be fun watching Hillary attempt to "re-invent" herself and re-state her positions on the issues when 2008 election time draws closer.

I'd love to see a politician with the guts to come clean and tell the American people the truth about why they changed their position on an issue (which is totally acceptable / understandable to me), rather than the lilly-ass "no, you mis-interpreted what I've been saying for the last 20 years!" BS we get from them now.

This applies to those on both the right and left, politicians are almost all guilty of being spineless, "go with the flow" scumbags instead of LEADERS who choose to educate & inform the electorate about why they believe what they believe, and then try to convince the electorate they should support their position. I tink that's called "leadershiP, whereas what most of our present elected officials practice\is called "followship", or, "pay attention to the polls and don't take any c”

“It's going to be fun watching Hillary attempt to "re-invent" herself and re-state her positions on the issues when 2008 election time draws closer.

I'd love to see a politician with the guts to come clean and tell the American people the truth about why they changed their position on an issue (which is totally acceptable / understandable to me), rather than the lilly-ass "no, you mis-interpreted what I've been saying for the last 20 years!" BS we get from them now.

This applies to those on both the right and left, politicians are almost all guilty of being spineless, "go with the flow" scumbags instead of LEADERS who choose to educate & inform the electorate about why they believe what they believe, and then try to convince the electorate they should support their position. I think that's called "leadership, whereas what most of our present elected officials practice is called "followship", or, "pay attention to the polls, and don't take any chances or make any statements that are inflammatory to ANYONE".
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