Proof that guns are EVIL

“This is a great day for freedom and the constitution, Mark. It's a terrible day for enemies of freedom. We all "live and breathe this stuff", regardless of your perspective.

Don't worry, though, as I am predicting you all will be laughing it up in november. ;-)”

“Maybe they even stood up to that scary Liberal receptionist today.”

“Supreme Court upholds the Second Amendment.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSWBT00928420080626?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true”

“"enemies of freedom"

That's just a reactionary catch phrase with little real meaning beyond to emotional appeal to other reactionaries.

I believe it's way late to actually "ban" most but those weapons that are obviously military in nature.
The cat is out of the bag.
The genie is out of the bottle.
Pandora's Box was opened long ago.

What's left is to deal with reality on the ground as it exists in the various locales.

In some if not most urban areas the proliferation of weapons is a problem and I don't think more weapons will help.

In rural areas crime is relatively low and the abundance of weapons is not a problem.”

“Who's bouncing the S&P 500 up and down on the March08 lows - Obama, Smith or Wesson?”

“That's just a reactionary catch phrase with little real meaning beyond to emotional appeal to other reactionaries. - Mark

Of course, but there IS a nugget of truth in it.”

“Maybe they even stood up to that scary Liberal receptionist today. - Tilt

Yep, he's bitter. LOL!”

“Which side is blue and which is gray?”

“Gun proliferation is a real problem in Phila. The Pa. Attorney General and Phila' DA have been going after straw purchasers who purchase guns for criminals who otherwise could not get them. They have arrested dozens of straw purchasers to date and are going after them wherever and whenever they can get them. So far it has not put a dent in the murder rate, but the intention is to eventually get illegal guns off the streets by going after the lawbreakers. The traffic in illegal guns is vast and extends outside the state, but other states should be doing more targetting if illegal gun traffic. These are the people breaking laws and the people who should be behind bars.

We've had cops murdered by guys just out of prison who got straw purchasers to buy them guns. Then when it comes back to the straw purchaser, they just say the gun was stolen, if it does come back. Serial numbers are filed off routinely.”

“Of course, but there IS a nugget of truth in it.”
Mutt

A nugget's worth of truth can't cover a pack of lies.

In the '90s there was a stiff trade in handguns purchased in Virginia and taken to New York and other cities by the duffel bag where they were sold at sometimes double retail price.

"Yeah, but it's good for business in Virginia and who TF cares what happens once they are out the door."”

“One particular clown was caught riding Amtrak to New York with sixty handguns in duffels.”

“Sounds like law enforcement and the laws are working then. You're not going to find much argument against restricting criminals from owning firearms, Mark. It's your fantasy of banning guns and dearming law-abiding citizens that's laughable, and completely disaffirmed by the SCOTUS. If I read your above post correctly, you wouldn't even let people own semi-auto-only M4s for home defense.”

“Again, if all the states were doing what Pennsylvania and Philadelphia are doing, it would eventually have the effect of taking illegal guns off the street.”

“It's about time poor blacks were able to defend themselves in their own neighborhoods. The liberal left suburb dwelling crackers have been disarming the poor for too long.”

“symtoms not solutions.con”

“It's about time poor blacks were able to defend themselves- nigol

By now I would hope that everyone knows that gun control was born of racism. It's no wonder liberals tend to support gun control; after all, their policies embrace the soft bigotry of low expectations when it comes to minorities.”

“"I believe it's way late to actually "ban" most but those weapons that are obviously military in nature."

"Mark. It's your fantasy of banning guns and dearming law-abiding citizens that's laughable, and completely disaffirmed by the SCOTUS."
Mutt

No, that's your fantasy. No matter how loudly you shout it I'm not for dis-arming law-abiding citizens.
There are however some weapons that common sense dictates that only the military has any business possessing.


"If I read your above post correctly, you wouldn't even let people own semi-auto-only M4s for home defense."
Mutt

No, you don't read it correctly.
I never mentioned any specific weapon.

"......embrace the soft bigotry of low expectations..."

Ha ha ha!!!

This, from the guy who stated that "blacks have a legacy of crime, ignorance and violence..."

What's that, the hard bigotry of a white supremist reactionary?
I'm not saying you are the above, but sometimes people make statements that betray their true colors.

I showed your quote to one of my co-workers a while back when you posted it.
She wants to know where you live.
LOL!!!”

“The thing that drives me crazy is that all these progressive Fabianists that look down on the common man as if he is too unintelligent to be trusted with a gun. "Oh no no no. You aren't smart enough to to own or use a gun. Here let me have it and I'll save you from yourself.".

They have such a dim view of humanity and assume they can do nothing for themselves such as educate their kids, find affordable health care, responsibly own a gun.

and then they want to talk of the audacity of hope? How insulting.”

“Then we should also ban Jeeps, MREs, BDUs and those little P38 can openers as well. They are all obviously for military use.”

“Someone has a chip on his shoulder.

Did the other kids call you stoopid?”

“Steve Chapman: Why gun control flopped in America

Thomas Jefferson once wrote pessimistically, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." He would probably not have been surprised to see the proliferation of gun-control laws in our time. But he might not have anticipated that the water would run back uphill.

Last week's Supreme Court decision affirming that the Second Amendment recognizes an individual right to own firearms for self-defense was a vindication of those who have long argued that position. But it was an even more stunning defeat for advocates of gun control, who not so long ago seemed to have history, law and public sympathy on their side.

In the 1980s and '90s, as violence raged at epidemic levels, the preferred remedy of policymakers was to restrict the manufacture, sale and ownership of firearms. Washington, D.C., had banned handguns in 1976, and in 1982, Chicago did likewise. Meanwhile, the federal government and several states outlawed "assault weapons" -- semiautomatic guns with a military appearance.

It looked as though ever-stricter gun control was the wave of the future. But the future had different ideas. What happened? Three main things:

•Gun control didn't work. In the 1990s, despite its draconian ban, Washington became the murder capital of the United States. Chicago's homicide rate, which had been declining in the years before it banned handguns, climbed over the following decade.

During the time the federal assault weapons law was in effect, the number of gun murders declined -- but so did murders involving knives and other weapons. When the law was allowed to expire in 2004, something interesting happened to the national murder rate: nothing.

•Laws allowing concealed weapons proliferated -- with no ill effects. In 1987, Florida gained national attention -- and notoriety -- by passing a law allowing citizens to get permits to carry concealed handguns. Opponents predicted a wave of carnage by pistol-packing hotheads, but it didn't happen. In fact, murders and other violent crimes subsided. Permit holders proved to be sober and restrained.

People elsewhere took heed, and today, according to the NRA, 40 states have "right-to-carry" laws. As those laws have spread, the homicide rate has fallen sharply from the peak reached in 1991.

•The Second Amendment got a second look. In 1983, a San Francisco lawyer named Don Kates published an article in the University of Michigan Law Review arguing that, contrary to prevailing wisdom in the judiciary and law schools, the Constitution upholds an individual right to keep and bear arms. Numerous legal scholars, spurred to examine the record, reached the same surprising conclusion. Before long, even some liberal law professors were coming around.

The majority opinion last week, written by Justice Antonin Scalia, drew heavily on this stack of scholarship to argue that the framers did not limit the right to the context of service in a state militia. Without the stimulus provided by these contrarian thinkers, the decision would never have come to pass.

Instead, the right to keep and bear arms has finally taken its rightful place with our other fundamental liberties. It may be the natural course of things for government control to expand and freedom to shrink. But as Jefferson knew, America was founded to reverse that process.

Steve Chapman's column is distributed by Creators Syndicate.”

“Jefferson didn't know that some day the slaves would be made of metal and pot illegal. Oh, and that the slave's slaves would be tax payers.
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“DC Rejects Heller's Handgun Application>

when he tried to register his semi-automatic weapon, he says he was rejected. He says his gun has seven bullet clip. Heller says the City Council legislation allows weapons with fewer than eleven bullets in the clip. A spokesman for the DC Police says the gun was a bottom-loading weapon, and according to their interpretation, all bottom-loading guns are outlawed because they are grouped with machine guns.

Looks like the idiot gun banners are slow to learn. They're thumbing their nose at the SCOTUS, and this too will be struck down. If they keep it up, they'll slowly destroy the entire legal framework they built to ban guns. Watching them get #&%!$-slapped by the courts on the national stage again will be sweet. The underlined part is just to show how uniformly ignorant of firearms the hoplophobes are. I guess DC police carry "machine guns" on their belts - lol.”

“And its a 'magazine', not a 'clip'. Dumbasses.”

“...according to their interpretation...


That's some fine interpretating there, Lou.”

“Hey Mutt - love the use of SCOTUS.... it's up there with .... what was the mainstream media acronym you were using a while ago that I was laughing at you for? I mean with you for?

It kinda says 'I'm in the know', ya know, lends an air of authority to the post. Carry on.”

“SCOTUS = Supreme Court of the United States is Civics 101. Don't they test you guys when you get off the boat any more?

OK, now carry on.”

“And its a 'magazine', not a 'clip'. Dumbasses.”
nigal
11:23:03 AM
7/17/08

Dang it, ya beat me to it!

The (stripper)clip is used to load the magazine for any hoplomorons out there.

http://image.bizrate.com/resize?sq=160&uid=491569384&mid=101361”

“Y2, you've never heard of POTUS then, either? Both are ubiquitous internet forum shorthand...

Oh, and it was "MSM" you were making fun of me for using. That's always a good one.
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“The secret service used to refer to Clinton as imPOTUS. LOL!”

“The (stripper)clip is used to load the magazine for any hoplomorons out there.

Not only good for loading magazines but for removing all skin and meat from knuckles.”

“SCOTUS = Supreme Court of the United States is Civics 101. Don't they test you guys when you get off the boat any more?

OK, now carry on.�
Nigal
2:51:08 PM
7/17/08


LMAO!”

“Oh I know exactly what the acronym means. POTUS one too. I just find the use of them funny. Kinda says 'I'm on the inside - I know stuff'.

Typing out Supreme Court - which incidentally I spent six years living a couple of blocks from - wouldn't have the same effect huh?
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“It's not so much snobbery Y2. Just internet lazy.”

“Typing out Supreme Court - which incidentally I spent six years living a couple of blocks from - wouldn't have the same effect huh?
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Y2
9:41:08 PM
7/17/08


Edited for spelling, lol.


So in other words Mutt, if you lived near the President of the United States, you wouldn't have to use "POTUS" because you'd know how to spell it---because of the close proximity and all.”

“Yeah that would be consistent with Y2's contention that you can't know *anything* about the UK unless you've lived there most your life.”

“Huh? - okaaaayyyyyyy. My view is that you can't read one book on one issue, take it as gospel, and then constantly wave it around of proof of something.

You can know plenty about the UK without ever living there if you put some time and effort into understanding the place.

It works both ways, many of the British reporters I've seen and read trying to cover America don't really get the place at all - mostly that America varies so widely from place to place.

It's the content of what you post that is BS and the fact that you and others are never able to / can be bothered to, stand any of it up that means you really shouldn't be posting about it.
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“So in other words Mutt, if you lived near the President of the United States, you wouldn't have to use "POTUS" because you'd know how to spell it---because of the close proximity and all.�
Nonconformist
3:53:24 AM
7/18/08

Or you could just say Bush, Clinton or Obama (you know it's gonna happen) ... or maybe The President.”

“many of the British reporters I've seen and read trying to cover America don't really get the place at all - mostly that America varies so widely from place to place. - y2

That actually seems to be a common theme in USA/UK threads I've been in - that neither side's media portrays anything close to an accurate picture of the other.”

“Yeehaw. Brought to you from get Lone Braincell State!

Texas students pack bookbags; teachers pack heat

HARROLD, Texas - Along with normal first-day jitters and excitement, students in this tiny district started school Monday wondering which teachers might be toting firearms.

Just wait until one of those brats catches teach having a bad day...

"Do ya feel lucky Timmy? Well, do ya??"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/gun_toting_teachers;_ylt=Aqdcm2rFhbxFe3iwYEg6E.ms0NUE”

“Every kid should know the difference between a .44 and a .45.”

“Hell, I had 55 guns in my office just this morning.....I didn't shoot anybody.”

“Good for Texas taking the lead. "Gun Free Zones" do nothing except create an easy, soft target for a murderous nutcase.

noncon, are you an LEO? Or gunsmith?”

“ATF compliance monitor for a retail sporting goods store.....duties include acquisition (electronic) of all new firearms.....yesterday was a big day, lol.”

“Do you ever "lose" any firearms in tragic boating stockroom accidents?”

“Hmm...............not that I recall.......”

“I'm just waiting for the day when Texas breaks away from the Union all together. I'd be moving the next day.”

“Will Baja refill the 50th spot?”

“Yeah nigal, reconquista!!!”