Proof that guns are EVIL

“You really don't understand the issues do you Mutt?

No I understand you have issues - that's not under contention. What is, however, is your typical socialist Euro-trash drive to undermine America's constitution.”

“"Probably best Tom. If ya can’t figure out how to keep your kids and their friends out of stuff chances are you shouldn’t own guns anyhow."
Nigal
09:37:48 AM


Ooooo, cheap insult!!

You are questioning my competence, rather than congratulating my wisdom.

Removing the potential for danger......uh, removes the potential for.....danger.

When you have children of your own you(maybe) get an appreciation for protecting them from harm that childless people just don't quite get.”

“Why didn't you just get a gun safe, MarkO? No way a kid's going to pick the lock.

Wisdom? No. Wisdumb? Obviously.”

“"What is, however, is your typical socialist Euro-trash drive to undermine America's constitution."
Mutt
09:45:16 AM

....as opposed to your hillbilly white trash attitude?”

“It is very easy to buy a safe and keep the combo to yourself Tom. This provides your children the same protection as not having guns at all. Millions of parents do it every day. One doesn’t need to bear children to know this much.”

“as opposed to your hillbilly white trash attitude

Ah, what's a few cheap shots among friends, eh?”

“Why are you critiquing MarkO for getting rid of the guns he owned? Sure he could have bought a gun safe, but he felt in his case that removing the guns from his home made more sense. The 2nd amendment says we have the right to own guns. It doesn't say you have to own them.

I for one don’t see the point of owning assault style rifles, but I do support the right for others to own them should they choose to.”

“By your terms Mutt aren't all the ammendments to the constitution undermining it?”

“I told him it was best that he did get rid of them. If he's not taking the precaution to secure them properly he shouldn't have them. It's a part of the responsibility of the rights of gun ownership. One of the biggest arguments of the anti-gunners is, ”Well what happens if the criminals steal your guns?”. This is also covered by proper storage of weapons.”

“Where did that non sequitur come from, yananami? Of course I don't think that way.”

“"Why didn't you just get a gun safe, MarkO? No way a kid's going to pick the lock.

Wisdom? No. Wisdumb? Obviously."
Mutt
09:49:14 AM

Why don't you just kiss my ass?

I removed the threat.....period, end of discussion.

If you must know, I stored the weapons and ammunition under lock and with firing mechanisms diabled.

Why would anyone do it different?

It's all about personal responsibility, boys.

From the moment that I assisted in the birth of my three sons I took on a lifetime responsibility for their welfare.

Since I believe in accountability, I have been the judge of how best to protect my children from any and all injury.”

“"It is very easy to buy a safe and keep the combo to yourself Tom. This provides your children the same protection as not having guns at all. Millions of parents do it every day. One doesn’t need to bear children to know this much."
Nigal
09:56:17 AM

Sure, if I was a self-interested guy to whom my toys took precedence over other concerns and spent money, that otherwise could and should go to home, household and the future of my family.

I also believe in the exercise of free will.

And if I don't want the dang things in my house......you figure it out.”

“i thought people kept assault weapons in the house to protect themselves from intruders?

Is the gun safe under their pillow?”

“And I do so enjoy the cheap shots, my friends!”

“Hey, I'm not saying you're a bad parent for getting rid of your guns. But you do seem to be saying a parent is a bad parent if they don't.

"Sure, if I was a self-interested guy to whom my toys took precedence over other concerns and spent money, that otherwise could and should go to home, household and the future of my family."

LOL! Now this is funny! Two questions for ya then Super Dad (not that you'll answer it):#1) When did you stop spending money on drugs that could go to your family's well being and #2) do you keep your stash locked up and away from your boys?”

“"i thought people kept assault weapons in the house to protect themselves from intruders?

Is the gun safe under their pillow?"
bearmagnet

To answer the question you posed, yes, the gun is safe. The human might not be though. It might be a way to qualify for a Darwin Award.”

“"#1) When did you stop spending money on drugs that could go to your family's well being and #2) do you keep your stash locked up and away from your boys?"
Nigal
03:25:06 PM

I didn't start dimwatt.

I'm an altar boy.


"Hey, I'm not saying you're a bad parent for getting rid of your guns. But you do seem to be saying a parent is a bad parent if they don't."

NOPE, ya dope, I'm just responding to your bustin' me for not keepin' my firearms.

And I like to get in my digs about "personal responsibility" with you and other right-wing sissies.”

“Dang MarkO, it would have been better if you'd called him a girlie man.”

“Hell no Geo, I wouldn't want to do or say anything like der Gropenfuhrer.

He's a piss poor example of American manhood.

No wait, he's no American.”

“Ja wohl, herr O, ist der Osterreichen Gropenfuhrer, ja?”

“Who's so paranoid they need these type of weapons anyway?

What a buncha pussssssssssssssies...”

“Oysterreich indeed!”

“Parania = gun ownership?

What a moron.”

“I think Nigal needs his pipes cleaned. That was over-the-top, even for him!”

“"I think Nigal needs his pipes cleaned. That was over-the-top, even for him!"

What? Because MarkO suggests it's irresponsable to spend money on guns when it could go to helping the family? And I'm over the top?”

“I think the wife must have made MarkO get rid of his firearms. Otherwise, there is no logical reason to do so, assuming he actually did have a safe (I'm wondering about that one...).”

“My M1 carbine would be classified as an assault weapon if I use it with a 30-round magazine, since it has a bayonet lug. In fact, I even have the correct bayonet for it.

But it's in the grandfathered class.

It was used by Charles Whitman with great effect from fairly long ranges.

He was the University of Texas tower mass killer, for those who either forgot or were born too late. He was also an ex-Marine.

I bought it mostly for sentimental reasons, since I carried one in the Army for a few years and fired it on the range. I enjoy taking it to the range for target practice. It's not the most effective weapon around, but it does work for the purpose for which it was designed.

It makes me feel so paranoid.”

“This is what started the whole thing between you two. Doesn't seem like such a flaming statement here.


I got rid of the weapons I had when my boys were young teenagers.

Some of their friends were real knuckleheads and kids can find just about anything in the house."
MarkO
09:18:28 AM”

“See, that just it geo. The anti-gunner feel that there has to be an actual justification for owning a gun when there doesn’t have to be. Simply owning a gun because I can is all the justification we Americans have to give. It’s like saying no one should own Corvettes because a Pinto will get you there all the same.”

“So should I assume from your statement Geo that love relationships with assault rifles are the reason people feel an affinity to purchase them? Because I really can't see the validity in them.”

“I don't think anyone here is anti-gun.

I think it's more like "what should be allowed".

And obviously, the constitution is not clear on that.”

“I mean, those guys had friggin flint-locks for God's sake.”

“"This is what started the whole thing between you two. Doesn't seem like such a flaming statement here."

Right and I told him if he couldn't figure out how to keep them out of his guns he did the right thing to which he went off on the Ward Cleaver trip on me.”

“Love relationship? That's a stretch. Reminds me of the Marine Corps mantra, lying in the bunk with the rifle, ... naming the piece ...

My point is that what gets classified as an assault weapon seems awfully arbitrary, perhaps compiled by people not the least bit familiar with firearms.

If you're worried about the rifle, what does the bayonet lug have to do with its legality?

And in the hands of a good marksman, an old short-range weapon designed for jungle or house-to-house fighting is just as effective as an AK47 at long range, or a 30-30 rifle for that matter, or an old Italian bolt action rifle.

Some people who own firearms use them for perfectly legitimate reasons, do not break the law, and have no psychological problems.

I'd rather not see Tech-9s or UZIs on the streets, and have no problem with those kinds of weapons being banned. But the arbitrary criteria that were applied to the law about to expire, assuming it does, is at least capricious.

So, to carry the argument to its conclusion, if I fire my carbine with 30-round magazine and a bayonet attached, it is legal because it was grandfathered. But an AK47 without a bayonet lug and a 10-round magazine is banned, even though it fails to meet the assault weapon criteria, because it is banned by name.

So the manufacturers got around the ban by not installing bayonet lugs and selling the weapons with 10-round mags. That really makes me feel a lot safer!

I'm still trying to figure out how a bayonet lug came to be so all-fired important. Maybe there was a history of killers using bayonets in their attacks?

I've been firing rifles and pistols all my adult life, ever since military service. I don't know where the idea of a love affair with a firearm comes from, but shooting does nothing for me either romantically or sexually. It is relaxing, since relaxation helps to shoot straighter. It's not particularly athletic, so I don't know that it's a sport. I haven't killed anybody and have no plans to. But if I ever should, it would be in self defense, although I can't fathom how I would ever get to a firearm in an emergency since I don't carry.”

“With road rage on the rise and Tech-9's on the street, it will be real interesting to see whose car gets swiss-cheesed on their way home from work!”

“Agreed, Geo. I think the legislation had some problems but I think it passed as more of a statement to say, "These type of weapons are not necessary to civilian life." It was more a "think about it" law, IMHO. The only way it ever got passed in the first place was to have those loopholes so gun freaks could stil get their jollies off by purchasing a knock-off if they really wanted it. All the legislators knew this, depsite their various mantras and anti-assault weapon statements.

Amazing since I'm sure a lot of those same politicians who were so anti-assault weapon ban voted the govt. the right to kick your door down and search your home without a warrant under the "Patriot" Act.”

“Can some one tell me how the assult weapons ban keep guns out of the hands of terrorist? or criminals for that matter?

Terrorist in the States aren't looking to kill just a few, which is what a Semi.Auto AR will do,,they are looking to do grander things,,i.e. WTC, Pentagon, panic and fear.

If I'm not mistaken, one was still able to purchase a AR or AK while the ban was in effect. The only thing I notice about the ban was the price for a 20 rd. Bulter Creek Mag. for my 10/22,, a little .22LR cal. rifle,, went from around $20 to $90 overnight and the price of .223NATO rd.,,for my AR mags went up only slightly. A funny thing after the ban went into effect the sale of 'dress mags' probably went up. You know why,,the only thing separating the two mags where price, material, color and a little plastic tab.

Dress mags where plastic and optic orange and the only thing preventing them from functioning like the real thing was a plastic tab.

I can't wait to get another Banana clip for 10/22. I hope the price is right this time.”

“I can't wait to start wasting deer and liberals! I'm buyin' me an AK47, screw them American brands!”

“Does anybody know where I can get a nuclear warhead or some anthrax? We might as well take advantage of the repeal while we can!”

“Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Our constitution is as old as dirt. No wonder there's 27 amendments.”

“Whoa - Geobeet is actually making sense. I'm marking this on my calendar.”

“"Right and I told him if he couldn't figure out how to keep them out of his guns he did the right thing to which he went off on the Ward Cleaver trip on me."
Nigal
04:00:48 PM

Nigal, this is just another chance for you to use invective on me.

I never had a problem keeping weapons secured....."...if he couldn't figure out how to....."

Why don't you just save time and typing and just call me stupid?

Anyway, since I left Vermont in '92 I had not fired a shot.
I had lost interest in shooting.
Living in the country, I could target shoot off my front porch.
I even killed some porcupines while I lived there........FLAME ON, you animal lovers!”

“And then your wife made you get rid of them. Seems pretty obvious you're whipped, Mark.”

“Very cute, Mutt.

Like I said, I lost interest in shooting.

"I'm beating my swords into plowshares.", I told the jerk at the gunshop.
He promptly showed his ass, "I'd like to see you defend your home with a plowshare."


I bought power tools and a guitar amp with the proceeds.”

“"I'm beating my swords into plowshares.", I told the jerk at the gunshop.

That fails the laugh test. Occam's razor suggests you were coerced. I mean, who permanantly loses an interest in shooting (barring some negligent discharge disaster)? Oh wait, did you shoot a hole through your roof and wifey made you give em up?”

“Funny boy!

Occam's Razor suggest that you are wearing bra and panties right now.

"I mean, who permanantly loses an interest in shooting?"

ME

You've been inhaling too much gunsmoke, boy.”

“Okay, Mark, whatefer you say. I guess that malarkey is at least consistent with your blissninny nature. :-P”

““I bought power tools and a guitar amp with the proceeds."

So rather than selling the guns and putting clothes on your kid’s backs and food in their mouths, as you pointed out as the responsible thing to do, you went and bought an amp? Huh. Very father of the year Tom.”

“Hah! It's too early in the morning for me to catch that one, Nigal.

Mark: BURN!!!!!”

“Over the weekend, in a town near here, a sheriff's deputy placed his 9mm and ankle holster on his dresser. He and his wife went outside to knockdown a wasp nest. Their 3 yo was playing in his room, went to the parents room, found the gun, shot himself, and died.

I grew up around guns, know how to use them, enjoy target shooting when I'm home visiting my folks, but haven't brought one home yet. My dad has many custom made guns that my granddad hand built in the 30's. One day I'll teach my son how to shoot. My last trip home my dad asked me if I wanted to take my grandads old .22 pistol home. It's a Colt that looks like a Luger. I should probably take it and get a gun lock, but haven't yet (gotten the gun that is). As comfortable as I am around firearms I'm still a bit squeemish about bringing one home with my children. It's irrational I suppose, but that's the state of things for now.

I have actually been too busy to really consider it. Maybe later in the fall when things slow down a bit I'll consider it, get a gun lock, and bring the pistol home. I guess I'm just not "there" yet.”