Trickle Down Economics

“i agree saleboard.....


dear laq,
My simple friend, THAT is a justification of your stance! You just did it! Then, go on to say that you don't have to justify anything!

You talk in so many circles, you have no idea which way is "right".

Judge you!?! Damn right I'm gonna judge yo ass! You prance around here, with you're little 'tude and when the chit gets rough, ya leave, go crying to mommie until the smoke clears. You CAN not say the type of chit you do, nay, JUDGE the way you do and not expect to get called to the carpet for it.

Just like you've always been, can't take the heat.

Use the "HATE" term, go ahead! Call all Dems HATERS, like that's not judging!
You can't have it both ways, stand up....
OR GET DOWN!!!!!"
laqtis


i'm simple? whoa...cool

i do talk in circles, but i'm certifyably diagnosed as severly A.D.D. and have the attention span of a bag of hammers. i have a horrible memory and can sleep through a tornado. i can't spell worth a dang,i chew my fingernails and can't resist ritz crackers-n-milk. it's a handycap. big STINKIN deal! does that make me dumb? does it mean i don't have instincts? .....gotta be careful what you say there laq, you just might be wrong. i am wrong all the time, and i have even made mistakes and bad decisions in my life, so i speak from experience. i'm sure you can't relate to that though...

tude? whatevah man, what tude? i say what i think , just like all yall do. you mistake a confident tone for meaness. no way, jose. i'm the easiest guy in the world to get along with.

judgement? well i suppose i have an opinion on many things, on different people, whatever. we all do. what i said was that you don't know me and there is no way you could possibly know what compassionate things i may do, say, think, feel during the other 99.99%, when i'm not on TT. true statement, why does it agitate you so much? negative response, as usual.

i am not bothered in the least by "chit getting rough in here" and have never ever once for one single second, avoided you or any thread or any person on here. you wish. i got a life dood, and i'm not apologizing just because you may disagree with me. my time is too valuable to waste talking to closeminded elitist. when i get time, when it fits in, i come on here, when i don't i live my life.....

i can take the heat, i don't let your opinion bother me. there will always be differing opinions so why should expect everyone to think like me?

hate?
i base that opinion on the fact that most hardlefters present their arguments in a very negative way. (VOTE FOR ME CUZ THAT DOOD'S BAD). the level of shrillness these days has, in my view, reached a new high. i don't hate liberals, i don't blame everything on someone else, i don't think i am hopeless without government. you think government is the solution, and i think it's the problem. your entire post, like most, was based on negativity and contempt. your emotion is clear. you seem to be the one that is having trouble keeping your cool.
some people hate other people for being happy, or for being rich, or for being a white Christian gunowner in a 4X4...i am happy for them all and hope you get rich and happy too.

good luck...

your simple friend Stratdewd@aol.com


tilt, spending was and is out of controll. a fraaction of every dollar taken in for wellfare makes it to the actual recipients. the midlevel beurocrats slurp it all up befor it gets there. fat cats feeding at the public trough. also, as you know, we we're forced into a global war and that's not cheap...i think defending our freedom and safety is worth any price, don't you?”

“Spare me the "Oh, poor me crap". You've done it before and it ain't worth it.

Get some new material.”

“dam dood, i am poor actually. i don't blame you are coperations or bush or clinton and i don't need you to protect me...guess that makes you better than me. it certainly doesn't make you correct thouugh.

oh well, at least i'm happy. why aren't you?

thoughtful response, nice chattin with ya....”

“Reduce the federal government to 10% of its' present size,then come back and I'll talk Left -right.For now,whether left or right,most of you feel that this worthless gang has ,in the past,done something worthwhile.You really believe there is a difference, because the ends of this huge parasite has convinced you they are better than the other end.Shlt is just that no matter what greek name you use.”

“i agree again saleboard”

“Why don't we all just get married?”

“no way i'll fall for THAT ole gag again.....”

“Tilt, do you agree with most of what Kerry says--do you see him as a good candidate? Will you vote for Kerry even if you don't agree with him just because of your dislike of Bush? Or do you think it is better to not vote at all? It kind of sounds like I'm being a smartass, but I don't mean it that way. Genuinely curious what you think you might do?”

“"I'm not a democrat nor a Republican and hate every thing about the little 'scrub'.His presidency follows the degenerative
slope of presidents since the illegalization of pot 60 years ago."
salebored
08:15:51 PM
03/17/04


"Reduce the federal government to 10% of its' present size,then come back and I'll talk Left -right.For now,whether left or right,most of you feel that this worthless gang has ,in the past,done something worthwhile.You really believe there is a difference, because the ends of this huge parasite has convinced you they are better than the other end.Shlt is just that no matter what greek name you use."
salebored
12:04:45 AM
03/18/04
ignore this user

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"i agree again saleboard"
stratdewd
12:14:44 AM
03/18/04"”

“Well, I just typed a whole page, then it disappeared. Thank your lucky stars.

The Reader's Digest version:
1) I like what Kerry says, mostly.
2) I think his character is solid, (lots of contrast on that one).
3) The Republican Congress is out of control.
4) Bush can be counted on to do the wrong thing at nearly every opportunity. I did actually give him a chance at first.
5) I don't trust Democrats either, but given the choice....”

“Facts are facts, no matter the spin:

This administration is a disgrace to Republican everywhere. They have increased Government, spent more monay than any other Adim, etc....

Re-read Reformed Lurkers posts above for the re-education on this matter. He pretty much hit it outta the park, and on to the White House lawn..........!!”

“i agree laq, that bush spending is out of controll. but most of the demo complaints about him are that he's not spending money on this or that...and that tax cuts should be repealed.

if you give them more money, they will spend it.
and i believe kerry would spend more than bush is.


kerry will lose because he'll never be able to spin his congressional voting record.

too bad, so sad”

“and i believe kerry would spend more than bush is

Pure speculation again!”

“Objection!

Speculation, your honor!”

“Proverbs 21:13 Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.

Proverbs 22:9 He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.

Proverbs 22:16 He that oppresseth the poor to increase his [riches, and] he that giveth to the rich, [shall] surely [come] to want.

Proverbs 28:27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.

Proverbs 29:7 The righteous considereth the cause of the poor: [but] the wicked regardeth not to know [it].

Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

Luke 6:24&25 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.”

“Violion, again you are not differentiating (that's a bigger word than I normally use, ever) between GIVING to the poor, and forcefully having your money taken from your paycheck. What "blessing" is it to have no say about giving? Those verses talk about "giving" to the poor, which is what the church and charity is all about. Those who "give" will be blessed, and it's a good feeling for all... for the giver and the receiver. The giver feels good about giving, and the receiver is appreciative of the "giver". But when it is forcefully taken from the paycheck and dispursed how others see fit, the giver gets no "joy" and no "blessing" and good feelings, and the receiver is not appreciative and in fact EXPECTS it and DEMANDS it and expects more and more over time. There is no blessing to neither party in this case. The Bible talks about free-will giving and appreciative receivers, not liberal welfare programs that traps families into a ho-hum lifestyle with little motivation which destroys self-esteem.”

“Make your own bed Buck, make your own bed.”

“Make my own bed? Does this mean you won't be sleeping with me anymore? DON'T DO THIS TO ME, VIOLIN, PLEASE, DON'T DO THIS TO MEEEEeeeee...”

“You're a very twisted person Buck.”

“Boldly going nowhere.”

“thou shalt not steal...”

“Testing, one two three!

where will this thread wind up in the list?”

“/Let's see”

“...at least we're getting a 911 investigation that 'might' produce 3% of the truth.”

“I worked at COSI for three years as an exhibit technician before moving on to the programming job I got last September. I checked the COSI website about two weeks ago for part-time jobs and to my surprise there we no jobs listed, period. It was a fun place to work. I know many of the 370 paid employees that work there, 67 of them were told today that they wouldn't have a job in 60 days. For those of you who don't know what COSI is, it is a hands-on interactive science museum located in Columbus that has been around for 40 years.

Here's the News feeds:

COSI Announces Massive Cuts
Science Center To Reduce Staff

POSTED: 1:46 pm EDT April 19, 2004
UPDATED: 4:39 pm EDT April 19, 2004

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- COSI announced Monday that it will begin rescaling its operations, including staff cuts, starting in June to meet financial challenges it has faced for many months.


President Kathryn Sullivan announced that the science center "is compelled to act to bring its operations into line with budget realities" following March's election, when Franklin County voters rejected a 0.5-mill property tax to help support COSI.

Schedule of COSI Changes


More than 60 percent of voters turned down COSI's plan to raise taxes but allow county residents to enter the science museum at no cost.

COSI announced that it will reduce staff costs by about 36 percent. According to a news release, changes will affect staff at all levels, from executives to part-time employees.

COSI announced that the center would go to a five-day-a-week schedule beginning June 21. COSI will be open Wednesdays through Sundays, and closed on Mondays and Tuesdays.

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After the Labor Day weekend, COSI will close for three weeks to make a variety of facility changes. It will close the south wing of the facility and condense its operations into about 80 percent of the space it currently occupies. The center will reopen Oct. 2, operating six exhibition areas.

Sullivan said that COSI would continue its efforts to find tenants and uses for space that will be left unoccupied. Negotiations are taking place with WOSU to move part of its operations to the building.

"We remain intrigued at what this could offer our visitors and our community and hope that these negotiations will continue," Sullivan said.

If March's five-year levy were approved, county residents would have received free admission to the museum in downtown Columbus.

DISCUSS: COSI's Future


"We remain intrigued at what this could offer our visitors ... and hope that these negotiations will continue."
- Dr. Kathryn Sullivan, COSI President



The tax would have raised about $12.4 million a year. It would have added about $15 to the annual tax bill of the owner of a $100,000 home.

The possibility of public funding for COSI had been discussed for months as the science museum wrestled with the costs of operating a modern new riverfront building that depends on admissions.

COSI depends on gate receipts for about 60 percent of its $20 million annual budget.

COSI's new home, which opened in 1999 at the former Central High School site, was built with help from $65 million in state and federal grants. But it has no public operating funds. The levy would have been solely for operating expenses.

The countywide levy would have meant free admission to the museum for all Franklin County residents, but not free parking. Visitors from outside the county still would pay admission.

Rates of $12 for adults and $7 for children would have remained the same for non-Franklin County residents.

COSI Announces Big Changes
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COSI has announced that it will be rescaling its operations, President Kathryn Sullivan announced Monday.

"With the defeat of Issue 27 on March 2, COSI is compelled to act and bring its operations into line with budget realities," said Sullivan.

The first change is that COSI will go to a five-day-a-week schedule beginning June 21. It will be open Wednesday through Sundays, closed Monday and Tuesday. Programs scheduled on Mondays and Tuesday s, like summer camps and Capital Kids programs will continue uninterrupted.

After Labor Day, COSI will close for three weeks to make changes to the facility. The south wing will close and current operations will condense into about 80 of the space it currently occupies. COSI will reopen October 2, operating six exhibition areas, the Extreme Screen Theatre, Big Science Park and the new traveling exhibit, Robots + Us.

COSI says it will try to find compatible tenants for the unoccupied areas. Negotiations are taking place with WOSU to take part of the building.

"We remain intrigued at what this could offer our visitors and community," says Sullivan.

Changes in hours and space will reduce staff by 36 percent. The changes will be taking place at all levels. The staff that will be cut has been notified, 60 days in advance of their actual last day, says Sullivan.

COSI Board Chair Dr. Carl Kohrt says, "Our budget will go from $15 million annually to about $10 million, with gifts and admissions being our major sources of support."

The rescaling of COSI will come in three phases.

Phase 1: Scheduled for June 21, 2001

1. COSI will change days of operation. It will be open Wednesday through Saturday, 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. and Sunday, Noon to 6 p.m.
2. Exceptions will be made for the following holidays: Martin Luther King Jr Day, President's Day, Memorial Day, Labor Day and Columbus Day.
3. The i/o exhibition will close permanently.
4. Special events such at summer camps and Capital Kids will continue.

Phase 2: Schedule for early September 2004

1. COSI will close for three weeks to allow for physical reconfiguration of the facility.
2. The Adventure exhibition area, Planetarium, Motion Simulator, City View, and Galleries one and Two will not reopen to guests.
3. Elements of the Space exhibition area will move from current location on the second floor to the area currently housing the Motion Simulator and SimZone.

Phase 3: Scheduled for October 2004

1. COSI reopens operating Ocean, Gadgets, The Gadgets Live Stage, Life, little kidspace, Progress, the Weather Station, Big Science Park and the Extreme Screen theatre. Portions of the Space exhibit will be relocated to level one.
2. The traveling exhibit Robots + Us will open in the new traveling exhibit gallery that formerly housed the i/o exhibition.
3. The AtomiCafe restaurant and the Science2Go! retail store will continue to operate.
COSI will continue to operate education programs, although will operate on a difference scale or scope.”

“Sign of the times.

Nothing is too special to cut, when we have a war to fund.”

“Well, they have a few more problems. Most full-time employees make betwen $30K & $40K which is low but acceptable since the organization is non-profit. The CEO gets paid over $350K because she is an astronaught. She's hardly there as she serves on other boards, travels, etc. If they got rid of her and hired another CEO in at $100K, they could hire at least 7 full time people.”

“So how the hell can you guys sit here and poo-poo and bltch and moan and place this on the trickle down thread? Didn't you guys read this part?:

"President Kathryn Sullivan announced that the science center "is compelled to act to bring its operations into line with budget realities" following March's election, when Franklin County voters rejected a 0.5-mill property tax to help support COSI."

Once again and read it like ya mean it...when Franklin County voters rejected a 0.5-mill property tax. At least be accurate enough to lay the blame at the right feet...your fellow friends and neighbors of Franklin County.”

“I voted for the levy as it would have only cost me about $19 a year. I'm sure such a dramatic step as reducing the interior size will wake up the community and make them realize how foolish it was to vote against the levy which will ultimately lead to the destruction of a very special part of the community.”

“"I voted for the levy as it would have only cost me about $19 a year."

It shouldn't have cost you a dime...

"Franklin County voters rejected a 0.5-mill property tax."

You live in an apartment, yes? This was a specific tax for home owners. It's always the home owners who get to foot the bill.”

“Or the landlord of the apartment building who then passes the levy onto the tenants via rent increases.”

“WTF!?!

65 million to build it?blaming bush for it? it's incredible how irrational liberalism has become...

it's not governments job. it's people that think the government should be in the arts and museum business that are screwing up this country so bad.

get a frikkin life. the people laid off should get REAL jobs and the CEO should be FIRED.”

“1.Who blamed Bush?

2.It's a science museum, not an art museum.

3.Dub's not a liberal.”

“You live in an apartment, yes? This was a specific tax for home owners. It's always the home owners who get to foot the bill.

I own a $130,000 house. Not bad for a student--got it without any help from my parents or a cosigner. Next time you're in Columbus stop by and I'll give you a tour. So it would have cost me about $15-19 extra on my taxes each year which are about $1700. But thanks to the stupid school levy that passed, is gonna cost me an extra $450 a year so some snot nosed high school punk can play a stupid sport like lacrosse. COSI would have only costed $20 a year at most. I value COSI more than the local high schools.

On another note, the new COSI didn't cost $65 million to build, it cost $145 million for all the land, demolition of Central High leaving part intact, new building, and costly new exhibits. The building itself may have been $65M (don't remember), but I did have a fact sheet when I was on the inside that said total cost of new COSI was $145M. And it was too big. They should have opened fewers areas and slowly expanded into unused parts of the building. They also should have let Wendy's have a space inside since going to the old COSI brought the original Wendy's a ton of business. If they let them and a few other businesses use the space and open it to the public--it would have brought in business during lunchtime as it is located downtown. But ideas like that have been rejected and ran into the ground by the same poor management that was hired to build the new overpriced COSI. Kathy Sullivan needs fired.

If everything would have worked out it would have been great. The new building created several new divisions and over 200 new jobs. 35 were eliminated when I was there due to economics. Now another 67 are being eliminated--many friends that I've talked to today.

The art musuem in Columbus operates at a bigger loss. The science center held its own for 40 years, 3 years at the new building.”

“Yep....I poo poo'd and b!tched......that's right......I blamed it on Bush.....it was ALL ME........


All I said was that it was a sign of the times. Nothing more, nothing less. Quit assuming, you two.”

““All I said was that it was a sign of the times. Nothing more, nothing less. Quit assuming, you two."

Um, no. Right after you said this you said, “Nothing is too special to cut, when we have a war to fund.". You were trying to give the impression that the feds were diverting funds away from this museum in order to pay for the war. At least admit what you say Q.”

“Nigal - I have no idea what going on here, but I'm nothing trying to make this into a poli debate, nor will I.

Have fun.”

“"It’s unfair to say that the president’s only plan is massive tax cuts for the wealthy. That’s not his total economic policy. He’s got other plans, one of which is to cut overtime pay. Approximately 8 million Americans stand to lose overtime pay – and that’s the difference between just getting by and getting by with something to spare...

The second new addition to his economic policy is to positively encourage U.S. jobs to go overseas, saying that the outsourcing of jobs is good for the American economy."

-- Senator Bob Graham”

“I wasn't trying to debate you Q but I wasn't going to let you off the hook either. Saying what you mean sticking by it can be good for the character.”

“Violin, thanks to a big push by the AFL-CIO, we have forced Bush to retract most of his harmful plan. The story came out today.

Note - most of the people that stood to lose overtime pay, were jobs that can't be shipped overseas, and many were in healthcare. Is that a coincidence.... I don't think so.”

“Great! Take that all you folks who say unions have outlived their usefulness.”

“Oh for crying OUT LOUD!!”

“CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lou, Americans' living standards are falling. They're paying more for food and gas and bringing home less money. Real wages fell again in May and the trend has worsened, even as all those jobs have been created over past six months. When, many ask, will workers get their fair share?

Company profits have soared 62 percent in the past three years. Labor compensation has risen only 3 percent. And that's largely pension contributions, and health care benefits. Take-home pay has fallen. And it's worse the farther down the income scale you go. Lou, last year's pay gains 1.6 percent were the slowest in 40 years. This year is shaping up to be no better. Today, Alan Greenspan acknowledged this, but said he thinks wages will eventually play catchup.”

“Simple solution Buddha Bear.

Give yourself a 62% raise.

Start your own company.”

“Debate over! Everyone start your own company!”

“We create our own destinies... if we sit back and let the government, or a company, determine our lifestyle, then you are not in charge. In America you can take charge and live as you please, or sit back and let others determine how you will live. You can be a doer or a complainer. That's what's so great about America.”

“Today, Alan Greenspan acknowledged this, but said he thinks wages will eventually play catchup."
Buddha Bear
10:42:48 AM


Does he think a statement like that could actually instill an ounce of confidence to any struggling worker that still has a functioning mind?”

“Watch out for that irrational exuberance.”

“I did start my own company about 4 years ago. I tried getting funding from Angel Investors and Venture Capitalists, but they wanted 80-90 % of the company. So I went it alone through loans and credit. I couldn't compete with the large companies who were recieving huge tax breaks, and were able to obliterate my price due to large purchasing power, lack of tax paying, and a monopolositic hold on the market. I had to pay taxes, and did.


So, my point is, I'm not part of "the gang" that gets all these bennies, so I say Fhuck em', give the bennies to the majority, it's the right thing to do anyway.”