Hey Bacpac

“The Vatican approves of several techniques that "block" creation. But since those don't require any artificial "help" they be fine.

The Rationale of Catholics is surreal.”

“1) The epidemic is spreading into the heterosexual community. Of those with terminal-stage HIV disease (AIDS), there were over 27,000 Americans (as of June 1994) who acquired their disease through heterosexual contact. If you examine the statistics covering women with HIV disease in America, you will find that of the 51,235 women who were HIV infected (as of June 1994), 35% of them acquired their disease via heterosexual contact. In addition, if you examine the limited HIV statistics available from states where HIV disease is in some manner reportable, you will again find that 35% of infected women acquired their illness by heterosexual contact. Thus we see the epidemic beginning to spread into our heterosexual community, as the homosexual and IV drug-using communities become saturated with disease, and large numbers die off. (19)

The epidemic is also beginning to spread slowly into America's adolescents and children. The CDC estimates that there are between 10,000 and 35,000 infected college students in America. Anonymous testing in colleges across America reveals that in some colleges there is little or no disease, while "several (colleges) had HIV infection rates for men over age 24 as high as 6.5%." (20)

http://www.radioliberty.com/dec3.htm”

“Any data that is not ten years old?”

“

anyone else see a red x only?
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“Treebait is not Mapleleaf.

I have not seen any prominent mention of aids from any news outlet over the last few years.”

“What's Prominent mention?”

“I don't know why I had mapleleaf on my mind.

Aids is a non-story. The risk of Aids for heterosexual caucasions is lower than getting killed walking down the street.”

“So since it isn't killing white americans then its no big deal?”

“I never said that. I just told the truth.”

“Aids is a non-story. The risk of Aids for heterosexual caucasions is lower than getting killed walking down the street.”
bbw
7:12:33 PM
2/17/05

Where's the truth?”

“The truth is that the odds of white heterosexuals contracting Aids is very small. You will never see that in the news.”

“I see.

Do you think it's news?”

“Is what news? The fact that Americans have been mislead to believe there is a crisis that does not exist.

You tell me.”

“Are you equating Americans with Heterosexual Caucasians?”

“No.”

“Aids is a non-story. The risk of Aids for heterosexual caucasions is lower than getting killed walking down the street.”

Is what news? The fact that Americans have been mislead to believe there is a crisis that does not exist.

You tell me.”


Seems to me you are equating the two. Why is it not a crisis? How many deaths are required for a crisis to exist.

Is murder in America more of a crisis?”

“Statistically, Yes.
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“You're a clever one, bbw. ;)

Statistically yes, but not by much. Yet, what is in the paper more?

How likely is a white american to be murdered?”

“Not sure. Do you think it is lower than the risk of Aids.”

“Murder isn't controlable like AIDS. You can't stop murders by not screwing.”

“In 1999 homicide was responsible for 0.4% of white deaths. HIV was responsible for 0.3%

I guess murder is non-news also?

I would also say there is no significant difference between 0.4 & 0.3. Therefore statistically the rates are the same.

Then again, probably near the same amount contracted HIV. Americans live a lot longer because we have access to the best drugs”

“You can't stop AIDS by not screwing.”

“So the chance of being murdered is the same as contracting aids? That is news.”

“I'm sorry. In 1999 more African Americans died of HIV than Murder; 7,893 to 7,648 (2.8:2.7%) not significant statistically therefore not a concern?”

“Given the percentage of White heterosexuals who have contracted Aids I am like three or four times more likely to be murdered than die of Aids.

I never read that in a newspaper.

What are my odds of dying from Cancer?”

“The chance of dying from both is the same. Do White Americans worry more or less about either?”

““You can't stop AIDS by not screwing.”

So if I abstain from sex I still have the same chance of being murdered? Let me guess, I can catch it off a toilet seat?”

“I think more white Americans worry more about dying of Aids. They have been lied to.”

“I can find no stats on white heterosexual male contraction of HIV. The CDC site lists contraction by ethnicity seperate from source.

We would also need to know the percentage of hetero to bi/gay in this country to make a comparison.

Cancer was the number 2 killer in 1999. killed 277,000+ white males. Responsible for 23.2 of all deaths.

Not sure how many of those were hetero.”

“I didn't say your chances wouldn't change. I said you can't stop it.

Sex and illicite IV use cause the vast majority of HIV.

And I disagree, bbw, I think more Americans are worried about murder.
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“Statisically Aids is a non-issue among white heterosexuals. That is news.”

“Statistically murder is a non-issue among everyone. This is news to me!

For real news:

In 1999, Accidents was the #5 killer of White Americans with 82,000+ deaths, 4.0% total deaths.

It was #4 For Blacks at 12,000+, 4.5%

Maybe this is news:
2,000,000+ Whites died in 1999 and 200,000 Blacks. Yet the death totals from HIV and Murder are relatively equal.

All stats outside of other website posted come from the following source (Table F, pg 10 of 88):

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr49/nvsr49_11.pdf
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“This is exactly my point. If murder is a non-issue and my chances of being murdererd are four times more likely than contracting aids why is that not news?

The data you presented was people who were diagnosed with Aids. Not the people who died from it. My odds of dying from Aids seem to drop every time the facts come to light.”

“No. I posted HIV death rates for 1999 from the last source cited. I don't think murder is a non-issue. It's always in the news.

AIDS is generally in the news as a World Issue, which it is, and probably much more so than murder.”

“I think you missed my point.

If I did not say it or you did not research the facts very few people would know. You will not find a story in the press that promotes these facts. Most Americans have an irrational fear of Aids.”

“Most fears are irrational. I'm trying to determine why something is or isn't an "issue".

As Nigal pointed out, most HIV infection is preventable. The fact that so many are still contracting it is an issue. One of the troubling aspects developing in regards to HIV is people are actually equating "treatable" with "cureable". This is an issue. The fact that it is one of the top infectious killers in the World is an issue.

I, myself, worry more about herpes and there ilk than HIV.”

“Huh? It is not one of the top infectious killers. I doubt it is in the top ten. You are brainwashed.”

“Huh? It is not one of the top infectious killers. I doubt it is in the top ten. You are brainwashed.”
bbw
9:36:22 PM
2/17/05

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the top six infectious killers worldwide, ranked by the number of lives they took in 1998, were acute respiratory infections, including influenza and pneumonia (3.5 million), AIDS (2.3 million), diarrheal diseases (2.2 million), tuberculosis (1.5 million), malaria (1.1 million), and measles (900,000). A report issued by WHO in 1999 described “an infectious disease…

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=213789

In 2002 HIV/AIDS was still #2 at 2.8 million deaths.

http://www.answers.com/topic/infectious-disease”

“"by Jennifer Flowers
Religion News Service"

Wow and double wow! (assuming it is that Jennifer Flowers)”

“LOL! I don't think so, ped.”

“BM.

By prominent I mean the domestic fight against AIDS hasn't seemed to garner many headlines lately. It seems as if it has been relagated to B section status in the papers and maybe a 10 second sound bite if even that in broadcast news.

What I do see about AIDS in the press is all about cases overseas.

It would leave one to think that it isn't a priority or that we have reached a sort of equalibrium.

But then again US news moves in cycles of hype and sensation.”

“Earth to HPM?”

“OK. that might go back to the somewhat cyclic argument that papers/media put on the front page what they think will sell.

Blame the media or the public?

How about Both?

Do we/should we ever fault the media? I think we should fault the Public for being lazy perhaps and for not wanting to know some of the more ugly situations in the world. it seems Americans love to be ignorant more than any other people.”

“HPM, over.

yeah yeah I know.
I admit, I've kinda been in my own world the last two years.”

“I'm not blaming.
Merely making an observation.

But you do have a valid point. I can't begin to recant how many times I've heard someone say "I'm sick of hearing about...(insert subject in the news here)."

But...

I think the endless barrage of 24 hour news that brings us...."UPDATE, nothing new to report. Now to Mr. Talking Head for indepth analysis on this non-update" type coverage tends to aid in the public numbing process.”