Truth or Agenda?

“Interesting stuff going on politically.

Sems that GW got some very bad info... so...is it his fault we went to war, or, is it someone elses's for cutting intel budgets (Clinton, perhaps?)

Anyway.. here's the topic for this thread...

Do you only read things that justify your (already formed)position, or, are you actually open to new info that might make you change your mind about something?

Or, are you incapable of thinking for yourself, and need to believe whatever someone else has told you that you should believe / think?

Let the flames begin!”

“When it comes to truth or agenda I'll take agenda. The truth is too fluid and malleable but agendas can go on forever!

Do you serve a purpose or purposely serve?”

“Blame Clinton for the everything --Nothing new about that.

Point the finger at everyone but yourself -- Bush's recurring theme.


Nothing new here at all.”

“Not trolling are you Wanderer ??

Oops too late, already had a bite.”

“For what it's worth, I believed what I was told about Iraq. I believed that they had WMD and were going to use it. Why? I figured that this was just too big of an issue to lie about, it must've been true. I also believed that if Powell was going along with it, it's gotta be on the up and up. I'm sure that from way back when, you could pull up some threads from SH and Violin and the likes where you would see me calling them paranoid, dabbling in conspricy theories and the likes. I don't recall IF I ever called them unAmerican or Commies and such, but I'm sure I came pretty damn close. While the case was being made to invade Iraq, I would give the finger to all of the protestors on the streets and yell at them to go home and remark to them how unAmerican they were for not supporting there country in a time of crisis. For these actions, I am now very ashamed of myself.

I was just talking about this with my wife last night about how awful I feel and how misguided I was. Wouldn't be the first time for this person who declared himself a Republican at age 8 (Yes, Gerry Ford still has a warm place in my heart), I guess. In the events leading up to the war, I started getting a bad feeling, like something wasn't right about this. That's when it started. I started looking up other sources and reading different sites than I had before. I started to listen to what people on the other side had to say, not shut them out. I always concidered myself one of the most open minded people on the Earth, but up to that point, I was admittedly one sided politically (on most issues).

The breaking point for me, and some of you might remember, is when I was talking to my best friend about someone dying in Iraq. And without missing a beat, he turned to me and said, "At least he didn't die in vain. This war is justified in the fact that we're fighting this war on thier streets and not mine". That was it for me. I could no longer support this "lock step" mentality. I felt sicken by what I had done, because I knew, from what I was seeing happening, that people were dying. I then relized that this was ALL of there destiny, Americans AND Iraqis. While they all playing in the school yard, played in the sandboxes, all this time, they were to grow up and die in a land far away from home, or to be killed next to there Father. And for what?

I came home, a shattered mess and I sat behind this keyboard to log on to TT. There's a picture of my two boys on the shelf above the 'puter. I looked at them and thought, what if that was THERE destiny? How will if feel about that? At that point, for what it is worth, I vowed that I would NOT be lied to again. I would NOT allow others to decided the fate of MY sons if I had anything to do about it. Not like this, not for some phucked up, moronic revenge cruseide. That's when I started my REVOLUTION IS NOW thread (since pulled) to try and stop some people for making the mistakes I made.

People, it comes right down to the fact, as I have always said, the WE the PEOPLE have the control and WE need to do somthing about this. IMHO, this action has done MORE to phuck up things on this Earth than it's solved. For what it's worth....this is where I stand.....this is WHY I get pissy about this issue.....”

“Sometimes I wish I could smell electronic sarcasm.”

“I think there has to be a healthy balance Q. we can run around chanting “We the people!” til we’re blue in the face but in the end we have to realize when we are spending too much time wringing our hands and getting pi$$ed off about things to the point it lowers our quality of life. And in the end we don’t have as much control over these things as we think we do. I know it sounds defeat-ist but I’m a pragmatist.

Best thing ya can do is stop fighting with those of a differing opinion, take some Valerian root and enjoy life to it’s fullest. I hate seein’ ya get so upset about these things.

Otherwise you’re going to be in mid rant and suddenly smell toast and you’re gone…”

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

--Aristotle”

“Read my most...
(Clinton, perhaps?)

This was not "acqusation", it was a question.

I pointed a finger at no-one, I am asking a question. Can't handle that???

I've posted on numerous threads that I DID NOT vote for GW nor do I intend to vote for him again... this thread was intended to ask how we make our decisions.

You've answeered. You have your agenda, you automatically go on the attack & don't read into the question at all. Your position is your position, damn the facts!”

“is your post sincere?”

“The problem that I have is wading throught the "facts". I tend to look at what is being presented and use logic in my thought process when drawing conclusions. Too many of the "facts" being presented to us today are unsubstatiated.

Iraq WMDs. I look at Iraq as we KNEW it in the 90s, when we KNEW there were WDS in the country. I look at the history of that madman Saddam and his regime. David Kay does not sway my personal conclusions that Saddam was very likely stashing WMDs.

I can admit Im wrong. I can change my position. But political influences are amok in our society, and until I have real facts Im not gonna go against my own judgement.”

“WDS=WMDs”

“Laqtis has just made one of the best posts in the history of TT. Without putting words into his mouth (and I sincerely apologize if it comes our that way), he discusses what happens when you have a blind allegience to one pholosophy without regard to opposing views. That's my big problem with the "extremists", both those on the right and the left. I oppose radical right-wingers as much as I do radical left-wingers, both are misguided, and both are a danger.”

“I'm not pissy all the time, Actually, my wife thinks it's sick how "half full" I've turned into. Dark...hehehee you should've seen me before I started hiking! I had a HUGE thunder cloud above my head ALL the time. Hiking has started me on a more positive road than I used to be on.


Bear - you betcher ass I'm serious.

Wanderer - You got the point of my post dead on.”

“Or, are you incapable of thinking for yourself, and need to believe whatever someone else has told you that you should believe / think?

I am incapable of thinking for myself. I'm taking requests at this time.”

“Wow. That's an admission most people wouldn't make. Or maybe I just don't know the right people? I was crushed when my image of Jimmy Carter was destroyed. Long story short, he, and others, "helped" Indonesia with East Timor. I thought he was a great humanitarian up to that point.

I think all govts do there nasty dirty little behind the scenes stuff. Will they ever be held accountable? Maybe this is how govt works?”

“

My biggest mentor is Pee Wee Herman.”

“Buck, if you like PeeWee, does that mean you'd give him a hand?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I kill me sometimes!!!!!”

“Of course I don't give Pee Wee a hand, it might disturb people over in the next booth.”

“What a load.”

“My view on the invasion of Iraq has gone from all out support, to all out opposition to somewhere in the murky middle.

I see the stretching of the truth by the Bush Administration to justify a war. I see 500 plus dead Americans.

I also see a nation freed. I see my nations best rise to a challenge they never asked for, and they have met that task bravely and honorably.

My opinion on this war is so clouded by my best friends death in Iraq that I cant offer an opinion that bears any semblance to objectivity.

I also see people like Tilt and Buck. Both so blinded by idiology (more like idiotology) that its no wonder we have an inability to find middle ground and "truth". These two exemplify the agenda that you spoke of earlier Wanderer.

Both are so wrapped up in there personal beliefs that they cant admit they may be wrong. Its no longer about truth but being right. Thats a sad statement.

Look at what Q wrote...Willing to see things differently, to shake up his own beliefs and convictions willing to admit he was dupped. It takes strength of character to admit this type of change, something Tilt and Buck just dont have. Their posts are self-eveident.

The problem is that the truth isnt what is sought. The upper hand is, the desire to be "right" is sought.

No side is more at fault then the other. Both sides exploit any opportunity given them. Both sides want to blame. Its pathetic!”

“Hey birch, I can't speak for Tilt, but you have me pegged way wrong. Blinded by ideology? What ideology is that? If you're speaking about Bush, there are PLENTY of things I disagree with Bush on, and the Republican Party for that matter. I vote Republican because it's the only viable party of the two existing political parties in this country that even comes close to my views. But I'm certainly not lock-step into Republican ideology, or even conservative ideology for that matter.

birch, I work for an agency I believe strongly in. It's a government welfare agency that pays for and subsidizes child care for families that can't afford it, usually welfare mom's trying to get to work because of deadbeat dads. I'm also actively environmentally, and I live for exploring wild places. I work part-time at REI, much of it because I like their environmental stances and they put their money where their mouth is and help our environment in many ways.

I am an extensive reader of many social and military issues and I read many sources from all groups. I could argue positions from both sides if I wanted to, so I'm not just getting info from one ideological source.

I am a Christian and I will never ever change from that... why? Because I know it to be true. That's not merely because I'm not open to other ideas, that's silly, I communicate with God every day. That would be like saying I need to be more "open" that my own mom or dad don't really exist. So my worldview, by default, is admittedly one from that perspective, and one that will never change because I know it to be true.

As for this whole Iraq war thing, I know what was said and done by Clinton, he bombed the crap out of the place many times, he and fellow Dems believed Saddam had WMDs, it's on record, I feel very strongly that we needed to oust Saddam back then, as I do now, and that Bush is a sincere man trying to do what's right. That's how I feel. Just because you or others may feel differently about Bush, I don't. I trust the man, I think he is honorable. I sense it in the way he talks and how I feel about him. Others hurl when they see him. That doesn't mean I'm a blind ideologue and an extremist because I like Bush and I defend the war in Iraq. You gotta be a little more open-minded yourself, birch.”

“Also, many folks seem to be WAY too serious here. I come here for entertainment. I'm goofy. I'm lighthearted. This is playtime for me. I don't know why so many folks get so heated, or threaten some silly "ignore" button like that's some big deal, or get all worked up about stuff. I've always thought those who get worked up must not be so secure and confident in their own reasoning. I could be "wrong" about that though. Some folks just can't discuss religion or politics or whatever without taking things personal or getting fired up. I have no problem with it and I have fun with it, I guess I assumed others did to?”

“I think the administration was looking for information to back their policy, not deciding on policy based on information.

Bush went to iraq because he COULD.

Like a kid with a toy! And people are dying because of it. It has nothing to do with terrorism!

Never did, He lied, knowingly.

Will I change my mind? Not until the man has the integrety and the Guts to admit the truth to the American people.”

“The White House, USA
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:

LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I
was elected governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:

I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billionsin borrowed money.

I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:

I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.

In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.

I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron. My political party used Enron private jets and
corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S.history.

I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

I set the record for fewest number of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period.

After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
citizens, and the world community.

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in war time.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.

I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD (weapon of mass destruction).

I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004. PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY VOTER YOU KNOW.”

“I went back and reread the section of the 2003 state of the union speech dealing with Iraq and I can still find no fault with it, GW clearly states that this information comes from various intelligence agencies and assessments. And the basic premise still holds - We know for a fact that Saddam once had and used these weapons - and no evidence has been presented to show that he has disarmed. - All that had to happen to avert war was for Saddam to document the destruction of the weapons if that is (and it is apparently the case) what happened. But Saddam did not bother show any indication that he had disarmed. -So at that even if he did actually disarm, it makes no difference as to whether or not the war was justified. As far as I am concerned it was justified if not only to prove that he had in fact no wmds.”

“Catshiker, we didn't need an 800-line cut & paste, the thread is about whether or not you're interested in seeking the truth, or, simply furthering an agenda.

It's obvious that you have no interest in a dialogue that might be illuminating, you only want to espouse your views, so I guess by your post you've made your position clear.”

“My question was meant to cover more than Iraq & Saddam. It was meant to provoke discussion about how one forms an opinion & whether one is open to new information or simply blinded by their idealogy.”

“I am started to get pissed about people saying the president lied. I have plenty that I don't agree with GWB about. But drawing conclusions even if they are incorrect from intelligence assessments is not lying. There were plenty of intelligence assessments - the vast majority of them (or at least I've seen no evidence to the contrary) indicated that Saddam still had and was continuing to persue these weapons - So if he had drawn the opposite conclusion - That there was no threat from Saddam - Why wouldn't he be lying about that. I have no problem if someone feels that they want to fault GWB for reaching the wrong conclusion (I personally don't, I think in the current global climate we need to err on the side of our own security). But in order for this to be lying the president would have to have been presented with absolute concrete evidence that there were no wmds, and I've never seen any indication that that is the case.”

“Bison, you're such an extremist, man, you're so radical right-wing. ;^D”

“Yeah Buck I make you look like Lenin.”

“Buck the impression you have left me with is one that demands you get the last word. Its arguing ad infinitum. Perhaps I have pegged you wrong. If so I am sorry. I have only seen you speak politically from a pro-bush stance. I've yet to hear anything critical from you. Which is fine, I just see an attitude much Like tilts that is very one sided.

Regarding folks taking stuff to seriously...I would agree. I dont take TT too seriously and I certainly dont take stuff here personally. I was speaking in a broader context using you and tilt as mere examples of things seen in the "political arena". I watch a few news channels and when guests are on its not about presenting information with the goal being making an informed citizenry capable of drawing their own opinion from the facts presented. Instead its like Jenny Jones with expensive suits. Thats what political threads here become (minus the suits). Its just pathetic.

Regarding your faith thats an unrelated and personal issue not relevant to the subject at hand. I too am a Christian and I know it helps to shape my worldview, but I am referring to an atitude more than the specifics of what one believes.”

“Wanderer, I think you and I would get along pretty damn well. I ponder many of the same questions you post here and get flamed for.

I personaly believe that it is necessary to periodicly re-examine your beliefs and positions in an as objective a manner as you are able. Those beliefs that still hold up you keep those that don't.......well, you've got some thinkng to do.

My thinking has run the gamut over the last few years. Politically, socially, economically, morally and religiously. Hell, I'm in the middle of a pretty major moral crux right now.”

“I think Bush and his admin. are crooks.”

“Wanderer, thanks for starting this thread.

"I personaly believe that it is necessary to periodicly re-examine your beliefs and positions in an as objective a manner as you are able. Those beliefs that still hold up you keep those that don't.......well, you've got some thinkng to do."

HPM, VERY well said! The "objective" part is the toughy.”

“Hell, I'm Buck's biggest fan and even I know when birch has him nailed to the "T". You're a very fun and baughty guy Buck, but it is very easy to see how important being right is to you.”

“Thanks Birch, and yes it is.

My biggest problem with the current administration is that I have been consistently more and more disappointed in their decisions to the point where I can't possibly give them my vote this year.”

“HPM, usually election season for me is a no brainer. This year is far different. I am really trying to evaluate and prioritise the things that are important to me. A list of sorts. Whoever tops my list gets my vote. The prob is how do I "score" my list. All of the issues important to me are by no means equal so now I must figure out how to rate them and maybe assign some sorta points system and go from there...

On a related note. I hope dean doesnt get the nomination. Not because I disagree with him (which I do) but because he and bush are too different and the debates would be so predictable as would voting blocks. I would love to see a candidate like Kerry who supported the war and so many other bush ideas make it to the "finals". Bush couldnt fall back on the "extreme liberal" argument. I think Kerry's nomination would be better for the process as a whole. Thats not to say I'd vote for him.I just think he'd be a great candidate.Very electable.”

“Same for me this year. I'm tired of the bullcrap that gets spouted.”

“The Day that GW STOLE the election, I told my mate that we would be at war in Iraq in two years.

If anyone does not believe that Bush LIED, Then I suggest they hone their powers of observation and become more aware of what is going on around them.

Here is the question I have.

What proof exists today that Supports anything that King George II used as an EXCUSE to raid Iraq?

Remenber when Powell was on TV showing satelite photos of the trucks at depots in Iraq that were "moving the Weapons of Mass Destruction". What happened? Choose from the following.

A, The Satellite Broke so they could not see where the trucks went.
B. The Iraqi's stole technology from the Klingons and "Cloaked" the trucks so the satellites would not see where they went.
C. The Administration thought that the public could be fooled and if not, so what?

I vote for C.

In order to believe that Bush was duped, you would have to believe that every intelligence agency was wrong.

Why does an arms inspector have to start off his report by stating that "There was no pressure put on him by the administration? If that is true, why is the statement necessary?!

So I say again, just a little differently, When Bush and the Bushettes apologize to the American People for assuming that they are idiots and lying, altering, manufacturing, and misrepresenting the facts to support their own agenda and when are troops stop dying, then I will consider changing my opinion of the arrogant little excuse of a human.”

“Just so ya know, I've had Buck on ignore since he showed up. I wasn't responding to anything he may or may not have said. I didn't see a bit of it. I do click on his posts once in a blue moon, but it's always a waste.

Always.



When I ponder the enigma of the subsequent George Bush, there still exists the remote possibility that he is simply incompetent --- but his braintrust can't get away with that excuse. At times I have trouble believing even He could be so STUPENDOUSLY dense.

Make no mistake.... SOMEONE isn't telling the truth in this administration (habitually so) and it makes my blood boil.


so Here's the thing:

I don't trust any politician or political party implicitly. You see, I've been an avid C-SPAN watcher for over a dozen years and I've seen all sorts of slimeballs and their tricks.

Bush was questionable from the start and has only confirmed my worst apprehensions as time progressed. I did not vote for him. I have no responsibility for his being in office or anything he's done since he got there.

That begs the question... Who's the idiot that voted for Bush? Is he having second thoughts?

Perhaps George will do something between now and the election based on a political expediency the idiot favors --- then the idiot can vote for him again and GOD ONLY KNOWS what that #&%!$-up would pull given a second term.


I voted for McCain in the primary four years ago --- and I might have voted for him in the general election, but we'll never know (I'm SUCH an ideologue). People who obviously don't know #&%!$ about me should probably save their little pronouncements for the things they might actually know something about.

But be SURE to keep an Open Mind --- just try to keep your brain from falling out, mkay?”

“Tilt to quote an old commercial (you are a fan of obscure quotes)...."you never have a second chance to make a first impession"

"But be SURE to keep an Open Mind --- just try to keep your brain from falling out, mkay?"
Ahhh the voice of experience! Thanks for the warning Tilt.”

“I'm packin' for a trip tonight, leavin' at 5 a.m. for the coastal redwoods for the weekend, and my computer is on, so I gotta check it! Ha ha!

For birch and Nigal, fyi, I don't come here to "score points" or "win" anything at all. I don't "have" to be "right", and in fact you'll see me saying over and over that many of us just have differing worldviews. If someone has a different worldview, then it's not a matter of "right" and "wrong", it's a matter of differing perspectives. I understand this very well, so I'm not sure where the "have to be right" concept comes from. I don't have to be "right" any more or any less than dudes I'm conversing with. Dat's a fact, jack. What, are the liberals saying, "you're right, I'm changing my view and my vote and my life"? Nope, nor would I expect them to. Nor do I really care, I'm not here to change minds or influence people, we're all grown ups, we all have our thought-out viewpoints, and it's all good.

As for the "last word" stuff, these threads go on forever, and I expect them to, so how's that trying to get the "last word" in there? If someone makes a statement I feel needs addressing, I comment back. I don't expect it to be the last word, but merely a response. When people respond to my responses, I don't claim they want the last word. That's ridiculous. It's called conversation. I type really fast, I'm wordy, sometimes I fart while I type, I admit that, but that's me. Some think it's being overbearing, I think it's being polite and trying to respond to all the points presented. If someone doesn't care about the subject, or doesn't want to read a post, that's cool, luckily no one is forced to read each comment on this forum, ha ha! If someone chooses not to read my posts, that's fine, how would I even know? I have no idea who reads or doesn't read my posts. I pick and choose my threads, most I don't read. I like gear stuff, photo stuff, trip report stuff, Sierra/Rockies stuff, and political stuff. I don't care as much about losing weight threads, or kissing and making up threads, or professional sports threads, or who to ban threads, etc. I don't care if someone calls Bush a liar, that's their own opinion, but if someone says Bush made up WMD stuff for his own agenda and lied to the country, well, then I'll provide solid documentation otherwise. I enjoy that stuff. If it's opinion stuff, who cares, that's just fun banter and no one can be "right" or "wrong", but if it's something that's a matter of record, I'll lay the facts down.

Was that wordy enough for ya? Ha ha! Okay, back to packing...”

“last word.”

“Ahhh... the liberals, the champions of diversity of thought and accepting of all views... ahhh... the champions of the ignore button! Ha ha! I LOVE it!”

“I hate the ignore feature. It exemplifies one of the themes wanderer mentioned when he started this thread.





















last word”

“word”

“word”

“birch, you MUTHUH @#$%@#$#@ SON-OF-A-$%@@#$%&*#@, QUIT TAKING MY #@%#@@#@&*! LAST @*&@@#@%! WORD FROM ME!

Ahem.

Word.”

“"set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history."

And this is bad because...?

I wish more states would get on the ball and execute some of the scum sitting in prison leeching our tax dollars.”