AWOL Bush?

“Ain't nothin' but love comin' your way, Amy. Thanks for helping keep us safe and sound.

Always remember to "practice your love".”

“Let me explain things Dun.

Here in the Untied Stakes, we have two polemical parties: The Dummycrats and the Repugnicans. That's what AmyG was referring to.

I'm one of those Montgomery County Repugnicans, but there's nothing Shrub will say at the Christmas shop to make me vote for him.”

“I guess all the libs were blowing smoke out their asses when they said it was not right to question servicemen’s service….”

“lookin' for love....ooooh, call me: 9-1-1

I think they frown on stuff like that, Dun.

:p”

“And let's ignore the fact that the records show that Bush met his yearly commitment every single year

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“I guess all the libs were blowing smoke out their asses when they said it was not right to question servicemen’s service

Yeah, something like that. I believe they were talking about real servicemen, though.
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“oops.
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“Back to html school blissninny...”

“Yep. GW was rarin' to get into the action.
In reality, I'm not disappointed with GW for getting out of Viet Nam. It was a big mistake of a war in the first place. Power to anyone, (and I know a lot of them), who avoided that keystone cops adventure. However, just like with Clinton, I wish he had the juevos to say the Viet Nam was a mistake and that's why he stayed out.
Kerry volunteered, saw up close what a farce Viet Nam was, and had the fortitude to tell the American people about it when he came back.”

“"Geez, I feel like putting my arm around Manuka to my left and Noprob on my right and singing, "We Are The World""
Treebeard
08:36:51 AM
09/09/04

Good grief, do you really think I am to your left Treebeard ?”

“"Back to html school blissninny..."
Nigal

This from the guy who never posts a red X ...”

“From the Bush's record thread:

"(A big Red X)"
Nigal
05:31:56 PM
09/08/04”

“Blissninny?

Nigal, get your nose out of mutt's ass.”

“Nigal can't talk right now. He's off to HTML school.”

“He can't talk right now because Mutt shifted to the other cheek.”

“"Good one"

kleetn
08:59:56 AM
09/09/04

Alright kleetn. Show me where the record says different. The forms showing his points earned have been released.”

“An interview yesterday on NPR clearly pointed out that Bush was supposed to sign up and serve in the Mass. National guard while attending school. He never did and should have been called up for active duty, but wasn't which is really not all that uncommon.”

“I hope we can continue to keep the election focus on the Vietnam War.

It is costing Kerry votes.”

“Q, NPR interview with who, Terry McAullif?”

“Im guessing that Kerry is probably waiting for the week before the election to release his records and then the country can compare the two right before the election. W won't have any time to spin his wy out.

Just a guess.”

“NoProb - Nope. It was with the person who wrote the piece in the the Boston Globe. He alos went on to sya that Bartlett, when asked about this situation, back tracked and admitted that he "miss-spoke" when he addressed this issue last year.


Also, for those of you who are interested:

Memos provide more detail on Bush Guard service
White House said in February it had released all records
Thursday, September 9, 2004 Posted: 9:54 AM EDT (1354 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Newly unearthed memos provide detail about President Bush's suspension from flying during his Vietnam War-era service in the Texas Air National Guard.

The suspension came as Bush was trying to arrange a transfer to non-flying status with a unit in Alabama so he could work on a political campaign there.

A memo written a year later referred to one military official "pushing to sugar coat" Bush's evaluation.

"On this date I ordered that 1st Lt. Bush be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination ... as ordered," says an August 1, 1972 memo by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who is now dead.

The same memo notes that Bush was trying to transfer to non-flying status out of state and recommends that the Texas unit fill his flying slot "with a more seasoned pilot from the list of qualified Vietnam pilots that have rotated."

The Vietnam-era documents add details to the explanation of Bush's aides over the years that he was suspended simply because he decided to skip his flight physical.

The White House said in February that it had released all records of Bush's service, but one of Killian's memos stated it was "for record" and another directing Bush to take the physical exam stated that it was "for 1st Lt. George W. Bush."

"I can't explain why that wouldn't be in his record, but they were found in Jerry Killian's personal records," White House communications director Dan Bartlett told CBS's "60 Minutes II," which first obtained the memos.

Bartlett said Bush's superiors granted permission to train in Alabama in a non-flying status and that "many of the documents you have here affirm just that."

A memo dated May 19, 1972, five days after Bush was supposed to have completed his physical, summarizes a telephone discussion with Bush about how he "can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

It says Bush was "told he could do ET for three months or transfer." ET referred to equivalent training, a procedure for meeting training requirements without attending regularly scheduled drills.

The same memo says "we talked abut him getting his flight physical situation fixed" and quotes Bush as saying he would "do that in Alabama if he stays in a flight status." It also says, I advised him of our investment in him and his commitment."

Democratic Party chairman Terry McAuliffe said, "George W. Bush's cover story on his National Guard service is rapidly unraveling. ... George W. Bush needs to answer why he regularly mislead the American people about his time in the Guard and who applied political pressure on his behalf to have his performance reviews 'sugarcoated"'

Bartlett told CBS, "As it says in your own documents, President Bush talked to the commanders about the fact that he'd be transferring to a unit ... in Alabama that didn't fly that plane," the F-102, the type Bush was trained in.

Using only last names, one of the newly disclosed documents points to sharp disagreement among Bush's superiors in Texas over how to evaluate his performance for the period from mid-1972 through mid-1973.

"Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush," Killian wrote on August 18, 1973. "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job -- Harris gave me a message today from Grp regarding Bush's OETR and Staudt is pushing to sugar coat it. Bush wasn't here during rating period and I don't have any comments from 187th in Alabama. I will not rate."

Grp refers to a military unit and OETR stands for officer efficiency training report.

The memo concludes: "Harris took the call from Grp today. I'll backdate but won't rate. Harris agrees."

At the time, Walter B. Staudt was commander of the Texas National Guard; Lt. Col. Bobby Hodges was one of Bush's superiors in Texas who two years earlier had rated Bush an outstanding young pilot; and Lt. Col. William D. Harris Jr. was another superior of Bush's. (Lawsuit uncovers Bush Guard records)

Records released this year when Bush's military service re-emerged as a campaign issue contain no evidence that he reported for duty at all for five months in mid-1972 and document only a few occasions later that year.

Asked about Killian's statement in a memo about the military's investment in Bush, Bartlett told CBS: "For anybody to try to interpret or presume they know what somebody who is now dead was thinking in any of these memos, I think is very difficult to do."





The problem I'm having now, is that we are talking about being honest. The White House barked up and down that they released everything, but it took a lawsuit by the AP to get the docs released. This is really troubling, coming from what is now being called the most secretive government we've ever had.”

“They've been on Kerry's site for months now. I've linked to them repeatedly.

W insisted all of his records had been released and then released more last night after the 6o minutes piece.”

“back to HTML school with Nigal.”

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I think We should concentrate on who can correctly pronounce the word "nuclear".”

“You mean it isn't nukular?”

“I guess that's important to you english majors.”

“Shut up, nukularhead!”

“I thought it was new-clear? That new anti acne gel, yes?”

“nukularhead.......knucklehead!”

“In Pogo it was, "new clear science".”

“What's important is not what did or did not happen 30+ years ago. What's important is that Bush has been lying about this for the past decade and has been conspiring to cover it up. The truth has just caught up with him.

Added to his lies on many other issues, how can anyone justify voting for him?


CBS Story with links to damning documents (along left column)

Bid cited to boost Bush in Guard '73 memo tells of request to 'sugar-coat' report

New holes in Bush military record

Records Say Bush Balked at Order National Guard Commander Suspended Him From Flying, Papers Show

Memos: Bush Suspended From Guard Flying


The big question here is why did he disobey orders and not take the physical? Could Kitty Kelly's book contain the answers?”

“The real question is the one posed by the president: "Is our children learning?"”

“If the president has been lying, I would point out that Kerry has also been lying about his military record for the last 30 years, and you seem perfectly willing to settle for him. The source against Kerry are much more reliable than the ones you are quoting. Kitty Kelly??? You've got to be kidding.
CBS (the media arm of the DNC)?”

“Oh my gosh, and Bush has been lying for how long? Ummm, 32 years, according to his official Air National Guard records.”

“This goes beyond personal accounts.

All the official documents back up Kerry's version of events.

The more documents are 'discovered' and analyzed, the worse Dubya looks.”

“How has Kerry been lying?

Did he award himself those purple hearts or service stars?

I didn't know one could do that.

Maybe Kerry had his daddy pull strings to get him into combat.”

“"New Holes in Bush"??????????

There's more?”

“The "official accounts" of Kerry's record are take from Kerry's after action reports. HE WROE THEM. They should back up what he says.

I sure am glad to see the dems have taken the high road.”

“All military units write after action reports, so what?

When service people are awarded medals they are recommended by superior officers.”

“"I would point out that Kerry has also been lying about his military record for the last 30 years, and you seem perfectly willing to settle for him......"

You realize seeing that Bush has said HE doesn't think Kerry lied about anything, you are basically called Bush a lier too?”

“...When service people are awarded medals they are recommended by superior officers...

And those recommendations are based on what??? The after action reports (in this case written by Lt. Kerry).

Why are you having such a difficult time with this concept?”

“BUsh 1 & 2 are saying they didn't ask or receive any help getting Dubya into a non-combat role.

Now a buddy from Texas says he did.

Yet another crock of shlt from the Bush side of things...

Really I don't care about this anymore. What concerns me more is that the US continues blowing up women and children in Iraq in a vain attempt to somehow defeat the "enemy." Bombing didn't do a damn thing in Vietnam and it's not going to do a damn thing now. They just don't want to admit they're getting sucked down an urban warfare hole. I believe the plan is to stall out in hopes that Bush will be re-elected and then can commit a whole lot more troops and go door-to-door and kill a whole lot more of our soldiers without having to worry about re-election. The bombing is to placate the neocons and give them something to point to, the whole, "shick and awe" shtick. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Thanks, Mr. PRes.”

“Q, if Bush had said anything else about Kerry's record, the Dems and their media outlets would have gone completely ballistic.

Unlike the Dems, Bush and the RNC seem to be willing to let their opponents 30 year old record lay. So far as I know nobody from the Bush administration or campaign has gotten into this fray?”

“"And those recommendations are based on what??? The after action reports (in this case written by Lt. Kerry)."

No, awards are not based on the after action report of the awardee.

You are dreamin', smart guy.”

“RM, that same buddy from Texas has testified that the Bush's never asked for favored treatment. kinda sounds like Kerry doesn't it. Oh wait a minute, he works for Kerry.”

“"Q, if Bush had said anything else about Kerry's record, the Dems and their media outlets would have gone completely ballistic....."

Wait a minute. You're not implying that Bush is possibly lieing about this, are you?

This spin is no goot. You can't have it both ways. I'm sorry.”

“From an interview with Connie Chung (NBC) at the 1988 Republican convention, New Orleans, Louisiana, Aug. 17, 1988:


Connie Chung: "The problem, though, would be is if, indeed, he made several phone calls or some people made phone calls on his behalf to get him into the National Guard. I mean, did that happen to you? Were you..."

George W. Bush (interrupting): "No. I don’t think so. But in those days, people were going into the service all different branches. And if you want to go into the National Guard, I guess sometimes people make calls. I don’t see anything wrong with, a matter of fact I’m glad he served his country. And serving in the National Guard is serving in the military. They probably should have called the National Guard up in those days. Maybe we’d have done better in Vietnam."



How do you Vietnam Vets feel about being spat upon?”

“Geo and Phaed, the html police!

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