AWOL Bush?

“Wait... Which one am I?”

“I leave that for two to work out. LOL!”

“You'd think the people who forged those memo's would have done their research. Nice of them to forge them in the name of a dead man though, no way he could deny them. Last time I checked the Bush people haven't bothered to put out forged memos attacking Kerry. Maybe it's time to go tit-for-tat?”

“And let’s face it guys, no innocent people died when Bush phucked up HIS service!”

“You're right Nigal. He saved that for 30000 Iraqis and 1000 American soldiers.”

“Bison gets all his exercize jumping to conclusions.”

“Nice deflection Phaed. Do you ever stop spinning? heehee!”

“I just want to make sure you just admitted that Bush didn't fulfill his service, Nigal.

I thought what you just said is that it's okay because no one died.”

“Simply put, and backed by oodles and oodles of credible information, is this plain ole' fact. GWB is the worst president in the history of the USA, has done nothing to improve the country for the vast majority of Americans, and is counting on some very stupid people to vote for him in November.

CAN HE COUNT ON YOU!?”

“"I thought what you just said is that it's okay because no one died."

Maybe if you're reading at a 3rd grade level and have an imagination.

I was using the liberal’s own tact against them. You know, the “When Clinton lied nobody died” justification.”

“no innocent people died when Bush phucked up HIS service!"
Nigal
03:30:51 PM
09/09/04


Clinton DID lie. Are you not saying that Bush "phucked up" his service?”

“Of course I am. At the very least he got preferable treatment. This is wrong and bad but it beats the phuck out of burning villages and an assortment of other war crimes. I’ll take a silver spoon over a an admitted war criminal any day.

OK, it’s your turn now. Now ignore anything I just wrote about Kerry and attack Bush.”

“CAN HE COUNT ON YOU!?"
Buddha Bear
03:40:52 PM
09/09/04

Nigal - check”

“Burning villages was what was commonly done. What do you think these guys did to the enemy over there? Coddled their balls?”

“I've already answered your war-criminal histrionics repeatedly, yet you bring them up as if I hadn't.

Personally, again, I could care less about Bush's service, since it is pretty obvious that he was a fortunate son. What was interesting to me is that you finally admitted he lied about it.”

“It's not a vote for Bush Buddha Bush, it's a vote against Kerry. If I could vote for Nader and keep Kerry out at the same time I would.

Hey, I thought I wasn't worth wasting your time on and you had me on ignore? LOL! I'm irresistible!”

“That's president Kerry to you, Nigal.

;)”

“"I've already answered your war-criminal histrionics repeatedly, yet you bring them up as if I hadn't."

Saying everybody else was doing it too, is hardly answering. That's an excuse. Histrionics? How is Kerry's own words histrionics? His own words are all I've ever used against him concerning his crimes.”

“If that's how you want to look at it. Just make sure your face doesn't stick like that.


Kerry showed a lot of guts in denouncing the American military leadership for putting soldiers in that position.”

“"Kerry showed a lot of guts in denouncing the American military leadership for putting soldiers in that position."

But Phaed, he has zero credibility. He has been busted lying how many times now? He condemns the government by lying about being in Cambodia in 68 and that makes him brave? That makes him a liar. Dumber than owl shlt too sense he couldn’t even keep straight who the president was at the time.

This guy is so all over the map he’s schizophrenic. Can’t keep track of his medals, can’t decide weather he’s for or against the Iraq war, can’t remember if he owns any suvs or not…on and on.

But unlike Buddha Bush I would never call you stupid for voting for him anyhow. He represents what you see as important and that's fine.”

“what was it Dennis Miller said? Oh yeah, "A lot of people voting for George Bush say they are doing so to send a message. Apparently that message is, "Hey, look at me, I'm an idiot."”

“Yeah, Nigal, I'd prefer a different candidate with a chance to beat Bush, but this is what I've got to choose from: Droopy and Stoopid.

Stoopid had his chance and screwed the pooch royally, so it's time for him to step aside.”

“Why thank you HikerBoy...ya dirty Canuck! LOL! BTW- why is Miller backing Bush this time then?

Now, if we are finished urinating on each other for another day I have chicken enchiladas to make. :)

Later taters!”

“quickshot here...

Phaed believe it or not I would have voted for Lieberman in a heartbeat had he gotten the nod. He would have done much better than Kerry.”

“why is Miller backing Bush this time then?

Don't tell me. He's a flip-flopper too?”

“Heh.

He was my least favorite of the democratic hopefuls.”

“So write in Lieberman.”

“Enchiladas are in the oven and they smell wonderful!

V, now why would I write him in when theirs no way in hell it'd work? I know better than to just throw my vote away and let Kerry in.”

“On the 5:30 News, ABC says Kerry documents accusing Bush of violating orders are likely fake.”

“read it and weep.”

“Right from the abcnews.com website:

Questions Raised About Bush Guard Service
New Papers Raise Questions About President Bush's Military Service in Texas Air National Guard

The Associated Press



WASHINGTON Sept. 9, 2004 — New documents unearthed in the midst of the presidential campaign fill in some blanks but raise other questions about the sometimes mysterious and spotty story of President Bush's military service during Vietnam when he won a coveted spot in the Texas Air National Guard and avoided the war.
Reviving issues that have shadowed his political career, the documents show Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer and lost his status as a Texas Air National Guard pilot more than three decades ago because he failed to meet military performance standards and undergo a required physical examination.


The disclosures marked the second time in days the White House had to backtrack from assertions that all of Bush's records had been released. It also raised the specter that Bush sought favors from higher-ups and that the commander of the Texas Air National Guard wanted to "sugar coat" Bush's record after he was suspended from flying.

Less than two months before the election, the documents turned the spotlight on Bush after weeks of political attacks questioning John Kerry's military service in Vietnam. Overshadowing issues such as jobs and the economy, that controversy raised doubts about Kerry and hurt him in the polls.

Kerry, campaigning in Iowa, refused to talk Thursday about the new Bush documents. "That's for the White House to answer," he said in an Associated Press interview. Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said, "I think you absolutely are seeing a coordinated attack by John Kerry and his surrogates on the president."

Yet, it was the White House not Kerry's campaign that distributed four memos from 1972 and 1973 from Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, now deceased, who was the commander of the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron in Houston where Bush served. The White House obtained the memos from CBS News, which said it was convinced of their authenticity, and the White House did not question their accuracy. There was no explanation why the Pentagon was unable to find the documents on its own.

The key questions about Bush's service are whether or where he trained in late 1972 and early 1973, why he skipped the required medical exam, and whether he was investigated or punished for skipping the exam and six months' worth of training in 1972.

Bush has adamantly denied that any strings were pulled to get him into the guard. Yet, former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes, a Democrat who now supports Kerry, has stepped forward to say he helped Bush and the sons of other wealthy families get into the guard so they could avoid serving in Vietnam.

Bush completed basic training in August, 1968, and by early 1970 was assigned as a pilot of F-102 interceptors in the 111th Squadron at Ellington Air Force Base. Killian, the squadron commander, ordered Bush in May, 1972, to undergo his annual physical, the new memos show.

Later in May, Killian said in his memo that he'd had conversations with Bush "of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November" because Bush wanted to go to Alabama to work on a political campaign.

Killian wrote that they talked about Bush getting his flight physical and that Bush said he would do it in Alabama if he remained in flight status. But he said Bush said he "may not have the time." The memo said Bush was "talking to someone upstairs" about the Alabama transfer.

The same memo also made clear that Killian was concerned about the fact that the military had spent a substantial amount of money training Bush to fly.

"I advised him of our investment in him and his commitment," he wrote in the memo.

On Aug. 1, 1972, Killian ordered that Bush "be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to (United States Air Force/Texas Air National Guard) standards and failure to meet annual physical examination (flight) as ordered."

Killian said he wanted a formal inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the flight suspension. No records have surfaced that one was ever conducted.

A year later, in August, 1973, Killian wrote a memo that said SUBJECT: CYA.

He said that Walter B. Staudt, the Texas Air National Guard commander, was pressuring one of Bush's superiors who two years earlier had rated Bush an outstanding pilot. Killian said, "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." Killian said that Staudt "is pushing to sugar coat" Bush's rating. "Bush wasn't here during rating period and I don't have any feedback from 187th in Alabama. I will not rate."

Democratic Party chairman Terry McAuliffe said, "George W. Bush's cover story on his National Guard service is rapidly unraveling. ... George W. Bush needs to answer why he regularly misled the American people about his time in the Guard and who applied political pressure on his behalf to have his performance reviews 'sugarcoated'"

White House communications director Dan Bartlett said Bush did not take the physical because he was not going to be in a flying capacity in Alabama. "Those who are trying to read the mind of a person dead 20 years are stretching at best. The president at every turn did what he was told to do."



So, how is this a fake, bison? This stuff was released from the Gov. I heard Scott spin it today as *being timed because Kerryis slipping in the polls*. Not true. It took a law suit from the AP to get this info, so how could it be *timed*. The only timing, was Bush and him not turning over *all* the records.

Bush is as clumsy as he is stupid.”

“Kerry, campaigning in Iowa, refused to talk Thursday about the new Bush documents. “That’s for the White House to answer,” he said in an Associated Press interview. Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said, “I think you absolutely are seeing a coordinated attack by John Kerry and his surrogates on the president.”

Yet, it was the White House — not Kerry’s campaign — that distributed four memos from 1972 and 1973 from Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, now deceased, who was the commander of the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron in Houston where Bush served. The White House obtained the memos from CBS News, which said it was convinced of their authenticity, and the White House did not question their accuracy. There was no explanation why the Pentagon was unable to find the documents on its own.

Complete story”

“Who cares if Bush wasted taxpayer dollars;
by dodging his duties in his cush Air National Guard Job,
by bilking the fine folks of Texas into funding a baseball stadium so he could sell his franchise and make money,
by entering into a war to further his and his "ilk's" investments.

Who cares if Bush has been handed everything he has in life by handlers, and people wielding silver spoons.

Who cares if Bush is a drunk driver and former coke head.

Who really gives a damn that Bush lied, cheated and stole an entire presidential election.

Who cares if Bush has only kept 1 single campaign promise (tax cuts for the rich).

Who cares if Bush lied to the American public, congress and the united nations and used the lies to eneter a war, costing billions upon billions of dollars and countless lives.

Who really gives a hoot if the economy for 90% of America sucks, and thier healthcare costs skyrocket, while only the wealthiest benefit.

Who cares that Bush takes an open shiznit on the constitution, and injects church into state like coke flew up his nose.


Who cares.......

as long as I got my $600.

as long as proved liars keep feeding me lies, and I keep believing them.

Who cares.


I am American Idiot, I shall vote for Bush under any circumstances, and that is all I care about.”

“I even gots me a song about it!

Don't wanna be an American idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new media.
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind-#&%!$ America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the idiot nation.
Where everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For thats enough to argue.

Well maybe I'm the faggot America.
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along in the age of paranoia.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the idiot nation.
Where everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For thats enough to argue.

Don't wanna be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information Age of hysteria.
It's going out to idiot America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the idiot nation.
Where everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For thats enough to argue.”

“Greenday ROCKS!”

“Wel... okay, that's the only song I like by them.”

“lol, their song resembles me!”

“"This stuff was released from the Gov. I heard Scott spin it today as *being timed because Kerryis slipping in the polls*. Not true. It took a law suit from the AP to get this info, so how could it be *timed*. The only timing, was Bush and him not turning over *all* the records."


laqtis
08:10:27 PM
09/09/04

Wrong again Laqtis, the documents in question were redistributed by the White House, they were from CBS news, the documents did not come from a government source at all but are supposedly from the "personal files" of LT. Col. Killian (his wife says he kept no such files). Several of the major media org's (including nbc, abc, washpost) have now had experts look at them and the general consesus is that they are indeed fake.”

“And now from the AP:

"Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines said the memos looked like they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software. Lines, a document expert and fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, pointed to a superscript — a smaller, raised "th" in "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron" — as evidence indicating forgery.

Microsoft Word automatically inserts superscripts in the same style as the two on the memos obtained by CBS, she said.

"I'm virtually certain these were computer generated," Lines said after reviewing copies of the documents at her office in Paradise Valley, Ariz. She produced a nearly identical document using her computer's Microsoft Word software."”

“And ...

But Killian's son, one of Killian's fellow officers and an independent document examiner questioned the memos Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father and retired as a captain in 1991, said he doubted his father would have written an unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's performance review.


"It just wouldn't happen," he said. "No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that."


The personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time also said he believes the documents are fake.


"They looked to me like forgeries," said Rufus Martin. "I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years." Killian died in 1984.

....


So when the facts are not there...make up your own facts.

The source was CBS a credible source of unbiased news HA HA AH.

Do you think Dan Rather will vote for Bush ??”

“Sorry, but I'm going to have to ask you guys for a link. Everything I looked at yesterday showed nothing of what you speak of.

Bison - I know what I heard. I even posted a story (on this thread I think) about how there was a law suit in order to get these docs.

What you guys are saying is fraud and would be an immedate *bad news* brought upon the Kerry campaign. Why isn't this bigger news and all over the place (please spare me the liberal media thing). This is a major crime.”

“The news is all over the place Laqtis - go to any major media outlet.”

“WashPost story on MSNBC

From ABC”

“remember when politics was about "what they can do for you/us" not "what or who they did"?

Or am I just idealizing the past and it never existed?”

“Even CNN. Note however how CNN frames this, they start by telling you that Bush flew training aircraft at the end of his service and had several landings that had to be attempted twice, then go into the authenticity of the documents, then at the bottom tell you that the fact that Bush was flying trainers and making multiple landing attempts means nothing at all as to his ability as a pilot, those things were in fact perfectly normal. The obvious intent is to paint Bush as a bad pilot for those who only skim the first few paragraphs. As if anyone needed more proof of CNN's liberal bias.”

“Your idealizing the past BM, you wanna see nasty mudslinging, go back and look at Adams vs. Jefferson. Compared to that Bush vs. Kerry is a reasonable discussion of differences.”

“I figured. Too much media attacking my brain, especially living here.

I need one of those foil hats!”

“The news is all over the place Laqtis - go to any major media outlet.

Why should I? Do you really think Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings will vote for Bush? Do you really think Rupert Murdoch or Rev. Sun-Young Moon will vote for Kerry?

What we need now is for someone to do something sophmoric. Somehing really idiotic, totally stupid, and I'm just the man to do it. We need a new issue of The Daily Weasel!”

“That is just too phucking funny! Using M$ Word to doctor 30 year old docs! What a bunch of desperate morons!”