Kerry/Edwards 2004

“Bush will do exactly what he needs to do in the debates, he'll sit there, keep his mouth shut as tight as possible and let Kerry hang himself. Just like he did to Ann Richards and Al Gore.”

“""Bush will do exactly what he needs to do in the debates, he'll sit there, keep his mouth shut as tight as possible and let Kerry hang himself. Just like he did to Ann Richards and Al Gore....."


I'm sorry, is this just a pile on, or are we talking about issues I have brought up?

It's hard to keep up with where you're going here.”

“Plus - NoProb. Care to offer insight to the point I made to you, or are you just here to stir the pot and not offer anything but re-enforcement of the Dems point about the Right?”

“I'm sorry, is this just a pile on, or are we talking about issues I have brought up?

It's hard to keep up with where you're going here."
laqtis
10:32:18 AM
08/02/04

I wasn't talking talking policies just straight politics in response to Nigal's post.”

“"Bush will do exactly what he needs to do in the debates, he'll sit there, keep his mouth shut as tight as possible and let Kerry hang himself. Just like he did to Ann Richards and Al Gore."

This may be the best way to go. A debate is no place for new Bushisms. LOL! He'll do ok as long as he doesn't throw softballs rather than zinging hard balls.”

“Oh, sorry. That answers it then.

I don't read his posts anymore, that's why it seemed kind of a weird response to my post.”

“Did you make a point to me? I see where you refered me to dictionary.com, wasn't sure what that was about. Other than that I guess I missed your point. Or at least I didn't understand it.”

“Not a suprise.

Don't worry, you've made your point and mine at the same time, NoProb.”

“Whew! I just got back late last night from another wonderful 3-day High Sierra adventure, up Pine Creek canyon to Granite Park, got back late last night as usual... about 3 hours sleep last night and I gotta work a double-shift today. I'm all smiles, I love this lifestyle! Then as I was driving home along Hwy. 395 late last night, I was treated to great news on the late-night radio talk shows. It looks like not only didn't Kerry get a convention bounce, but he even got a little deflated in the process! Who knows, maybe the Repub convention will deflate Bush a little more too... looks like the more exposure each candidate gets, the less support they get, ha ha!

Here's the latest Gallup Poll:

"PRINCETON, NJ -- A new CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey, conducted on Friday and Saturday following the Democratic convention in Boston, finds that the presidential race remains close, with President George W. Bush receiving 50% support among likely voters, and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry 47%. Among the larger group of registered voters, Kerry leads 50% to 47%."

"Compared with the last CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey conducted before the convention (July 19-21), this post-convention poll shows that among likely voters, Kerry's support is actually two points lower than it was pre-convention, while Bush's support is three points higher. Among registered voters, Kerry's support in the current poll is one point higher than it was pre-convention, while Bush's support is also higher, by two points (the percentage of undecideds dropped in both groups)."

http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=12565”

“Well I have to admit that when you posted 8 or 10 times within 15 mins or so, I kinda lost interest. And most of them kinda flitted around, so I stopped trying to follow.

But if you're happy, that's all that counts. Glad I could help you out.”

“"It looks like not only didn't Kerry get a convention bounce, but he even got a little deflated in the process!"

Do you take your dogs on every trip Buck?

"It looks like not only didn't Kerry get a convention bounce, but he even got a little deflated in the process!"

Yeah, kind of bad when a rerun of CSI Miami gets more viewers than your keynote speaker.”

“Hi, Nigal! Yes, I take my dogs with me every weekend, except on the rare occasion (a couple times a year) where I backpack into National Parks. Otherwise I stay in the surrounding Wilderness Areas, which out here in California is just as spectacular as the Parks. I could spend a lifetime just adventuring in the John Muir Wilderness. Ohhh, yaaa!”

“Well, it doesn't make me happy when you just breeze past posts of others, yet try to address the points in them. It seems to be a common problem here with a few choice people. I do find it sad as well, that you are a reflection of a growing number of people in this country who choose not to get involved with proper information, yet want to be taken seriously. I know it's easier for others to think for you, but you might want to think about not falling into the collective line of thinking.

However, if this proves to be too much of a task for you, maybe your time would be better spent out rallying the vote for Nader then. Just make sure you hold that sign nice and high and smile!”

“If you want a response, laqtis, send your remarks to Ann Coulter and cut out the middle man.”

“I the gallup poll - Kerry leads with registered voters.

Newsweek Poll
(7/29-30) - Kerry 49% - Bush 42%
(7/8-9) - Kerry 47% - Bush 44%
Do you want Bush reelected? 53% No, 43% yes.

Zogby Poll
(7/26-29) - Kerry 48%, Bush 43%
(7/6-7) - Kerry 48%, Bush 46%

According to 2 of the three polls, Kerry did indeed get a "bounce", mainly from swing voters or undecideds.


and......

yet again......

Nothing seems to get the polls to swing in sKerry’s favor. He gets a good-looking, young running mate…nothing. He wraps up the convention…nothing."
Nigal
10:23:20 AM
08/02/04

Nigal is wrong. :) 2 of the three polls show a 4 point & 3 point bounce since the convention. Maybe Mr. Nigal will pull his head out of his a$$ and look things up prior to posting misleading statements, but I doubt it.”

“Maybe Nigal will vote for Nader.

He does love the environment.”

“"Nigal is wrong. :) 2 of the three polls show a 4 point & 3 point bounce since the convention. Maybe Mr. Nigal will pull his head out of his a$$ and look things up prior to posting misleading statements, but I doubt it."

Or what? Ya gonna sucker punch me? LOL!

Face it, there should have been a big bounce from these two things. 3-4% doesn't even hardly cover your margin of error.”

“Wow, I guess you told me!

The problem as I see it is that you, and a few others, sound off so loud and long that it becomes difficult to respond to all the lies, hate and inuendo that you pass off as fact. Any indication that I disagree becomes fodder for ridicule and more false claims. I guess I begin to pick out one or two things too reply to and ignore most of the fog that you put up on these forums.”

“Hi BB! It's not the "registered voters" that most politicians are concerned with, but more the "likely voters". That's where Bush takes his leads, with likely voters. Of course it's all pretty much within margin of errors and stuff... so it's pretty much a dead heat. A dead heat? I think most people would refer to it as cold fish. Neither candidate is capturing the fascination of voters in a big way.”

“Geo - Although me make a very good observation, I would like to challenge those out in cyber land to maybe find out stuff on their own.

Here's a good example. My wife went out for a ladies night out with some of the other wives. One friend decided to spark up a conversation with my wife about the upcoming election. Knowing my wife is a striong Dem, she started using terms like "Kerry is bad for business" and "if he gets elected, it would be the end of America". My wife, who is not a political debater by choice, fell into the trap and tried to disccuss the issues with her. As my wife brought up factual point after point, the other wife couldn't rebutt anything from an informed viewpoint. The conversation gets to a point (quickly) where is other women is just looking for something to get her out of the cornor.

Well, she quicklly remembers that my wife and I had just seen F-9/11 and drops a weak point she couldn't even believe that we paid money to see it, Moore is a so and so, the typical "I have no way of getting out of this conversation gracefully, so I'll belittle the other person" bit. For an explanation point, She then spouts "Well, all I've got to say is that thank God for Fox News. We need an outlet that offers the clear truth on issues".

I feel real bad for that women.”

“The minimal bounce reflects the fact that the pool of "undecided voters" is smaller than usual. In other words, most people have their minds already made up, one way or the other.

If this is true, Shrub will also get a minimal bounce whenever the GOP convention takes place.”

“I don't doubt that geo. That's why I said the swing will come around the debates.”

“NoProb - You have a serious issue, homey.

If you can't address the problem, or issue, then don't try and make it sound like you can.

There was nothing hateful about what I said. There was no lies in what I said. C'mon! If you have a point, back it up, otherwise you waste your time and mine. I'm looking for true, internalized information and points of view. There is "no problem" in asking questions and looking for reason. If you take this like how you posted, your skin is much thinner than you lead on.

Go ahead, believe in what ever you want, it's your choice and freedom. Just take a look at how this affects your creditbilty.

That's it, nothing more, nothing less....”

“Knowing my wife is a striong Dem

Ha ha ha ha!!! It's all comin' together for me now, laqtis! You once were a Repub and converted, now I learn your wife is a strong Dem... well, I applaud you, that was actually a smart move to make! :^D

MAY THERE BE PEACE IN THE HOUSEHOLDS OF AMERICA!”

“Is it me, or did Bush spend the weekend trying to sound like Kerry?”

“Nader is running on the narcissist ticket.

Corporations don't need 'a man on the inside,' they already have one. The sub-head positions at many regulatory agencies are now filled with former lobbyists and lawyers for the industries they now 'regulate'.

Thanks, George.”

“This is the time they almost become identical. I remeber there was little difference between Bush and Gore at about this time. Everyone falls towards the center when they want to reach the masses.”

“Let's face it, Nader loves G-Dub. He's always saying how wonderful Georgy and the Republicans are. G-Dub can count on Ralph Nader's vote come November. You betcha.”

“"I don't doubt that geo. That's why I said the swing will come around the debates."
Nigal
11:28:10 AM
08/02/04

Nigal - WRONG YET AGAIN!

The following comes straight from the Gallup Poll that was cited and that you obviously didn't read before making your uninformed comments on the matter.

"Why No Democratic Bounce?

In an article on Gallup's Web site before the Democratic convention, Gallup Poll Editor in Chief Frank Newport cautioned that it was possible the average convention bounce calculated for previous conventions might not apply this year. Voters appear unusually intense this election compared with previous elections, with the number of persuadable voters only about half the total in 2000. In addition, it appears that more voters are paying closer attention to the campaign this year than in previous years, so that relatively few voters would find the convention presenting information they had not already heard.

Another difference this year from previous years is that the three major television networks cut back dramatically on the coverage of the convention, devoting a total of only three hours in prime time over a four-day period. The one hour of coverage each night on Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday came late in the evening -- 10:00 pm Eastern time, 9:00 pm Central.

Apart from these factors, it is quite possible that the aggressive response of the president and vice president immediately after the Democratic convention helped to tamp down even a slight bounce that might have occurred despite strong voter commitment and little convention coverage. Among registered voters, the Friday figures showed a lead for Kerry, while the Saturday figures -- conducted after Bush began a campaign swing in four battleground states to counter Democratic criticisms of his presidency -- showed a lead for Bush.

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup surveys over the past several months have shown surprising stability in the presidential contest, with both candidates' support levels varying within a narrow range. Kerry led by six points in early March, but then Bush led by six in mid-April. In early June, Kerry led by six, but that moved to a virtual tie, until Kerry led by five in early July. Now Bush leads by four."

--David W. Moore, Gallup New Service

Geo, it turns out, was right! :)

BTW - It sucks getting sucker punched with facts. Maybe you should try to defend yuourself with some facts of your own.”

“"Is it me, or did Bush spend the weekend trying to sound like Kerry?"
Geobeet
11:39:30 AM
08/02/04

Well it's easy to do when Kerry spends his convention and the lead up to it trying to sound like Bush.”

“Tilt, that is right on the money!


Money, ha ha.....get it?”

“Well it's easy to do when Kerry spends his convention and the lead up to it trying to sound like Bush."
Bison

If you had listened to anything said in the convention, you'd know how stupid that post is.”

“Trying to sound like Bush!? What a joke, and a stupid thing to say.”

“Ah, Buck - Bush -- both of them --had more of a factor in that situation than my wife did. We have known each other for more than 9 years and only in the last 3 have I started to agree with her. We used to have some real knock down, drag outs that almost costed us our marriage, more than a couple of times.

So, I hope that this offeres a little insight into how a person can evolve over time. I can understand your lack of knowledge of a person in my position, as everything is very black and white in your world, which keeps it real simple I know and that's fine! What ever gets ya through the day, I suppose.”

“Trying to sound like Butch?

Why would Kerry try to sound ignorant?”

“YEAH!


Back to the name calling part of our show.....!”

“Awe damn! Buddah was right again! My world is crushed! I guess I’ll go fall asleep on my tearstained pillow and ponder the reality that I live in and where I went wrong. Bawhaha!

Believe it or not Buddha I rarely even read your narcissistic drivelings and only catch very little of them. See for you, it’s all about being right. This is where you get your self esteem, well that and beating drunks up. I like to also give my opinions and get other’s as well. Not every single post here on TT requires a bibliography that agrees with what I say.

Not all discussions are a debate Skidmark…”

“laqtis, I hope you know I was just joshin' whichew! No man would change political views merely because of his wife, unless, of course, she refused sex until you convert. Then, well, duh.”

“Nigal's first uninformed comment.

"Face it, there should have been a big bounce from these two things. 3-4% doesn't even hardly cover your margin of error."
Nigal
11:18:43 AM
08/02/04

Geobeets' astute, informed oberseravtion.

"The minimal bounce reflects the fact that the pool of "undecided voters" is smaller than usual. In other words, most people have their minds already made up, one way or the other.

If this is true, Shrub will also get a minimal bounce whenever the GOP convention takes place."
Geobeet
11:25:28 AM
08/02/04

Nigal's Flip-Flop

"I don't doubt that geo. That's why I said the swing will come around the debates."
Nigal
11:28:10 AM
08/02/04

The last statement was a flip-flop within a flipflop, a very high degree of difficulty.”

“Buck - The post was clear about your viewpoint. I'm not going to two step with ya, sorry.”

“If you had listened to anything said in the convention, you'd know how stupid that post is."
Geobeet
11:48:00 AM
08/02/04
ignore this user

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"Trying to sound like Bush!? What a joke, and a stupid thing to say."
Buddha Bear
11:48:50 AM
08/02/04


I watched the whole damn thing. Are y'all just death, or blind and dumb also?

I take it you don't listen to Bush at all, which would make it easy to understand why you wouldn't see the similarities. Kerry's message was essentially "I'm just like George except I'm smarter, I'll do exactly what George does except in smarter ways, I'm as tough as George it just doesn't look that way because I'm smarter"

We have to kill the terrorists rah, rah, rah. Stay the course in Iraq rah, rah, rah. Cut taxes for the middle class rah, rah, rah.

Yep sounds like George.”

“death = deaf”

“If you don't want a debate Nigal, quite talking out of your a-hole, or shut your pie-hole, it's your choice. Until that happens, you'll get "sucker-punched" with facts that will make you look like the intolerant fool that your are. :)”

“"The last statement was a flip-flop within a flipflop, a very high degree of difficulty."
Buddha Bear
11:53:32 AM

I'll give it a 9.6.”

“BB - did you not just call Nigal wrong, then post an article that backed up his point about the smaller pool of undecideds?

What the #&%!$ are you talking about?”

“Hold on here!

Bush - tax cuts for rich and middle class.

Kerry - tax cuts for middle class, tax increases for the rich.

Bush - Get terrorists, but take away resources from the fight in Afganistan & alienate some of our major allies.

Kerry - Get terrorists, but concentrate fight in Afghanistan, and include all of our allies.

Bush - Stay course in Iraq, but now try to get UN involvement

Kerry - Stay course in Iraq, but get UN and allied involvement (which he's been saying since November, and now Bush is following HIS lead).

Another conservative lie debunked!”

“And please take note, when Buddha "Visor Boy" Bear threatens to punch, he means it.”

“BB- your analysis conveinently glossed over the main point of Nigal's original post on the subject, so much for that complex thinking that Kerry espouses.”

“No, because he flip flopped in the same sentance, so I used his first statement, which was wrong, and concluded that he flopped the uninformed way, and made the misleading statement. I know, it's hard to follow, but you'll get it eventually.”

“Bison, what was his main point, enlighten me.

Busk - lol - I'm flyin' out to cali! Nobody calls me visor boy!”