Kerry/Edwards 2004

“Lurch is too damn evil?

He sits atop an evil empire of crooked business deals and corruption fueled in part by that slimiest of substances, petroleum!!

No wait, that's the other guy.”

“Kerry has done an excellent job of unifying the base. He gathered the fundraisers of all the other primary candidates. He's used the internet ideas of Dean to great effect. He picked his biggest rival for the VP. He's even forged a pretty good relationship with Clinton.

He's taken care of his business. This will help him neutralize Nader as much as is possible. He might take a few percent. But there will be no revolt.

The key now is looking at the weakness of Bush's base and figuring out how to split off a few good-sized groups.

Nigal, what will it take to get you to stay home in November?”

“Edwards would be great, I might vote for him (by himself, not with Kerry) if he hadn't been a trial lawyer, I don't understand people who praise Edwards and then demonize Cheney, what sense does that make?”

“I think it's going to be a battle to the finish. Look out! I don't see a landside for either side. I agree with you reform, Kerry has done a superb job. He is outcampaigning Bush and is running a really smart campaign.”

“"Nigal, what will it take to get you to stay home in November?"

Death!”

“I like Edwards, he seems very genuine and sincere. I don't like trial lawyers. I have to deal with them on a regular basis at work and the lot of them are scum. Edwards does not come across like they do. He is not fake and he doesn't wear a mask. I think Kerry has done well by choosing him. I think we all knew he was the choice a long time ago.”

“Hi Bison!

I disagree with Cheney's policies. He opposes all forms of energy conservation. He has done nothing to reform to our failing health care system. He also was disingenuous in his reasons for the Iraq War and occupation.

Why demonize someone who is so clearly mortal?”

“I know a few trial lawyers. I can only think of one who is actually a pretty good guy, and he happens to be the best one in town--I hate it when someone I arrest hires him. His son is serving in Iraq right now.”

“Cheney is a ruling class hero.

He's willing to take great risks to go to bat for the privileged few that they might retain power over the masses.”

“"He has done nothing to reform to our failing health care system"

reformed lurker
11:14:40 AM
07/06/04

And you think somethings gonna be done with a trial lawyer as VP?

Ha ha ha ha ha, this laughing might not stop for several hours.”

“Yes.”

“ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh my God I can't stop.

Chances of Health care reform that actually does anything with a trial lawyer as VP - 0%

Nothing can be done about health care costs without tort reform.”

“I like torts... and blintzes, too.”

“Man, I wish there was a ticket that I realy felt happy about voting for. Again, I'm in the position of "lesser of the two evils". It's a damn shame that nobody is running on the third party that's worth a chit. Nager is worse than all the above and the Libertarians are as about useful as herpies (no offense, arclite!).

Edwards is charming, but his lack of experiance and the spector of the "trial lawyer" lable will cloud up the issues that need to be addressed. As everyone knows, I feel that Kerry blundered by not picking Clark. There is very little about him, more so at the VP level, that could hurt the ticket; however, his mind would better serve this country if he was either President, or Sec. of Defence, wasted at the VP level, IMHO. The only thing that keeps me going on the Dems is that there is a better chance of Clark getting the Sc of Defense job. I will vote Kerry/Edwardsjust for the shear fact that Clark might get involved some how.

So, this will be very interesting:

Big business guys (Dick and Bush) go up against a big business guy and an lawyer.

No wonder this country is going down hill.......!

I don't know about y'all, but if there was ever a time that was ripe for something major to happen politicaly, now is it. We loose out on so much talent due to the microscope. Good thing that draft doggers, cocaine freaks, lawyers, big bidness, and dope smokers can come together of something!”

“"Good thing that draft doggers, cocaine freaks, lawyers, big bidness, and dope smokers can come together of something!"
laqtis
11:30:21 AM


How could you forget the boozerz??”

“My biggest worry with sKerry is the fact that there are two sKerrys (well, more depeneding if he's waffling that day). There is the Former sKerry; that is the absolute most liberal polotician in Washington (he's the really scary, evil one) and then there's the Moderate sKerry...the one that says whatever will make him the most popular with the largest audiance. Now, Moderate sKerry isn't much of a threat but it does show he will blow whichever way the wind blows ("Yeah, I voted FOR the $87 billion...after I voted AGAINST it."). My largest fear is that Moderate sKerry will get elected and then Former sKerry will show up for the swearing in.”

“Clark? his flipflopping makes Kerry look stable, what's good about him?

There's another reason to not vote for Kerry, to make sure Clark doesn't become Sec. of Def.
I'm not sure I want the guy who wanted to start WWIII in that position.

As far as the Edwards pick I'm sure he'll get Kerry more popular votes but he's not going to win him any states, although I don't think there was anyone he could pick that would have won him a state except for Graham and he probably would have hurt more in other places than he helped in Florida.”

“Okay, let's say that the government decides to use eminent domain to take your house for a new development. Who do you turn to?

Answer: lawyer

Now, let's say that during your elective plastic surgery, the doctor instead amputates your leg. Who do you turn to?

Answer: lawyer

Finally, let's say that you have a president who runs up massive deficits, diminishes the country's standing in the world and cares little about the real issues facing normal people. Who do you turn to?

Answer: John Edwards”

“BTW, the 1980s were great because the Democrats who controlled Congress kept Reagan from being excessive.

The 1990s were great because the Republicans in Congress kept Clinton from doing anything more stupid than smoking cigars.

The best government is that which governs least. The government which governs least is a divided government.

Divide the government. Vote Kerry.”

“Not singling out anyone here, it is strange to hear people declare Oliver North a hero and Wes Clark a scoundrel.



Oliver North couldn't walk in the shadow of Wes Clark.

Again, nothing in particular from TT but I have heard people bach Clark and when questioned about North, declare him to be a victim. What a crock of #&%!$.”

“When you get rear ended and want some spending money. Who do you turn to?

A lawyer.

When you burn your crotch with coffee you KNOW is hot and you want a few million bucks. Who do you turn to?

A lawyer.

When you decide you don't like your husband any more and want to take 1/2 his shlt. Who do you turn to?

A lawyer.

When a bunch of people do something bad for their health like, I don't know, smoke for 20 years, and you want a big pay day even knowing it's bad for them. Who do you turn to?

John Edwards.








As an after thought:

When you fall down a hill and accidently jam your trekking pole up your azz due to no fault of your own and you want someone to pay. Who do you turn to?

Chili36!”

“When doctors start moving out of your state because malpractice premiums are so high that they can't afford to practice medicine there Edwards starts looking a lot less attractive.

As for the amputated leg there are of course plenty of legitimate lawsuits just as there are plenty of legitimate business deals. But there are a lot more bs lawsuits that enrich people like Edwards at our expense.”

“Chili36 for President!”

“Bison, I have no problem believing that there are frivolous lawsuits. It is the job of the neutral party - the judge - to throw them out.

The job of the lawyer is to advocate for a client. I am comfortable having a successful trial lawyer advocating for better health care and against reckless deficit spending.”

“Bush #1: Tax increase man.

Bush #2: Deficit man.”

“So RL, do you truely believe sKerry won't raise taxes?”

“No deficit = No recovery.

These deficits aren't by any means huge or historic (unless you look at it in dollar terms which is stupid), It's not like we're going bankrupt here. It's an investment and one that needed to be made.”

“RL - the problem is that it doesn't get to the Judges, the standards for meeting a prima facie case are low (another thing a trial lawyer sure as hell isn't going to reform).

Here's how it works RL the lawyer finds a "victim" and files a lawsuit, he then figures out how much it's going to cost for the company he's suing to defend itself, even at the bare minimum cost that it would take to get the suit thrown out, then he offers a deal for that amount. Then the cost gets passed on to you the consumer. It's essentially blackmail. The only way to fix it is to make it worth it for Co.s or Doctors etc... to defend themselves, and Edwards ain't gonna help ya there.”

“Doesn't Cheney remind you of the banker from "It's A Wonderful Life"? LOL”

“Anyone but the current Dummy and his bag of bad seeds...”

“Lionel Barrymore without the booze; substitute Recurring Saddam-al-Qaida Connectivity Disorder with Ancillary WMD Hallucinations.”

“I'm just amazed at how many people there are out there who would sacrifice the security of our nation by confusing the general populace into beleiving that Saddam had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. You'd think people who know better would be more responsible.”

“You've lost yer freakin' mind if believe Dick.


Totally

Out

To

Lunch.
”

“So RL, do you truely believe sKerry won't raise taxes?"
Nigal

Nigal, do you believe Bush won't raise taxes? Read his lips!”

“Raising taxes is going to be up to the U.S. House with approval by the Senate.

Then which ever weasel is nesting in the Whitehouse will have to sign it!

Hoo hoo hahahahahahahahahaha

Then we blame it on "the liberals" and go one more round.”

“The only think I have against Edwards is that he bailed on the people of NC only half way through his term as our Senator to make a lunge for the white house. He ran a campaign for that Senate seat as a concerned person who really wanted to do good for "his people".

He used us as a stepping stone.”

“Aw, Edwards can now share the goodness with more people!”

“Please do not insult poor defenseless weasels by comparing them to politicians.

What did weasels ever do to you??”

“Sorry Tilt, but didn't ya like my synopsis?”

“Those dadgum Liberals will have to come in and be fiscally reponsible because the 'Conservatives' forgot how.”

“I think our taxes are going up no matter who wins the white house. The difference, Bush is going to campaign that he is going to make the cuts permenant. Kerry has said he will raise taxes.”

“Actually Tilt I find that it is useful to take information from many sources including those Democratic members of the 9/11 commission who have found that what the administration has stated all along about Al Qaeda and Iraq is true, because its

Totally

Irresponsible to

Lie about

Terrorism.”

“"I'm not sure I want the guy who wanted to start WWIII in that position......."


Bison - With all due respect, please put that club back in yer bag. There is nothing and was nothing about that situation. It's been proven time and time again and it's a fact that it's bunk.

We've been there and done that, now let's move on.”

“I've never seen it proven that it was bunk, although "wanted" to start WWIII is a little extreme, he certainly gave orders that would have lead to a disastrous confrontation if they had been obeyed.”

“Tilt - I never thought about Cheney resmebling Jimmy Stewart. Interesting thought though.”

“I think we need to nominate Chili36 as ambassador to somewhere.. hMmm.. where is the HOOTERs capital of the world?”

“Hmmm, let's think about why we are going to have to raise taxes...

Could it be.......













GEORGE W. SATAN!!?!!!??!!”

“Bison - we went through all that on here a while back. Can't remember what the thread was (maybe it was my "Why we need General Clark as President" thread, but there is too much for me to read right now). My brain is mush, seeing that I've just had a day that created over 35 pages of notes and 25 pages of read text for school.

Me tired!”

“Saw sKerry and Eddie on the tv this morning shmoozing it up together like two peas in a pod. They’ve come a long way. Within three months they have gone from telling everyone why the other isn’t fit to be president to being long lost kindred spirits. I think they’re both right.

Kerry on Edwards…

"When I came home from Vietnam in 1969, I don't know if John Edwards was out of diapers then yet or not, I'm totally not sure. I don't know."

When asked about Edwards’ views on trade, Kerry said: "Well, I am surprised, because in his major speech on the economy in Georgetown this past June, John [Edwards] never even mentioned trade. And the fact is that … he is quoted as saying to The New York Times that he thought NAFTA was important for our prosperity. Now he's claiming that he was against it and these other agreements."


Edwards on Kerry…

When asked on NBC's "Today" show whether he'd run as a vice presidential candidate, he ruled it out. "No. No. Final. I don't want to be vice president. I'm running for president."

Edwards said Kerry's policies would run the country "deeper and deeper into deficit,” and said of Kerry, “This is the same old Washington talk that people have been listening to for decades.”

The AP reported that Edwards said Kerry had not been clear on the war. "I think he's said some different things at different points in time … So I think there's been some inconsistency."

“Senator Kerry and I have very different positions on the issue of trade … If we want real change in Washington, we need someone who hasn’t been there for 15-20 years.”

So why would sKerry be running on a platform of healthcare for everyone and reformation of the healthcare system and then pick a trial lawyer who made a great chunk of his riches through over exorbitant lawsuits against OBGYNs who supposedly caused CP in babies during delivery (which is all based on fuzzy science). HE’S part of the problem!

Why would sKerry run on a platform of restoring us to foreign powers around the world and then pick a running mate with zero experience in foreign affairs?

Why would he pick someone who has never even submitted a bill at his job?

So what’s this dude’s qualifications anyhow? Looks to me he’s little more than a trial lawyer.”

“Can't wait to see Edwards debating Cheney. Time to rock and roll, Baby!”