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Will he have the military out shooting groundhogs instead of doing military things? Never thought of that.
NoProb
1:51:20 PM
5/18/04

Tony Randall for VP!
kleetn
1:51:50 PM
5/18/04

Soft on Defense?
Over Cheney's four years as secretary of defense, encompassing budgets for fiscal years 1990-93, DoD's total obligational authority in current dollars declined from $291.3 billion to $269.9 billion. Except for FY 1991, when the TOA budget increased by 1.7 percent, the Cheney budgets showed negative real growth: -2.9 percent in 1990, -9.8 percent in 1992, and -8.1 percent in 1993. During this same period total military personnel declined by 19.4 percent, from 2.202 million in FY 1989 to 1.776 million in FY 1993. The Army took the largest cut, from 770,000 to 572,000-25.8 percent of its strength. The Air Force declined by 22.3 percent, the Navy by 14 percent, and the Marines by 9.7 percent.

- http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/
Violin
2:12:06 PM
5/18/04

That kinda mess up the left's argument that right treats the military budget like a sacred cow, doesn't it?
NoProb
2:20:11 PM
5/18/04

Who made that argument? I never made that argument. Did someone make that argument here?

You aren't trying to attack an argument no one made are you?
Phaedrus
2:29:53 PM
5/18/04

Gee, I thought I heard it somewhere.
NoProb
2:34:23 PM
5/18/04

Manuka

How will the gun owners survive 4 years of Kerry? Especially of having to live through 8 years of the brutal Clinton Regime! How did gun owners ever survive that?!
Buddha Bear
4:55:35 PM
5/18/04

maybe they didn't.

Maybe there are none left.
A triumph for gun control.

We need to introduce a banned weapons list and a 3 day waiting period in Iraq, and then it too can enjoy the peace and tranquility of East La. on a saturday night.
manuka
4:59:51 PM
5/18/04

Did anyone catch the Daily Show where they did a parody on some legislator in New Mexico that was trying to get a law passed that allowed people to carry weapons into a bar? It was classic!
Buddha Bear
5:02:28 PM
5/18/04

Heather Wilson, probably.
Phaedrus
5:04:42 PM
5/18/04

Buddha Bear
5:08:29 PM
5/18/04

It wasn't the Gay Communist Gun Club, but it was still pretty funny....
Tilt
5:09:04 PM
5/18/04

"We need to introduce a banned weapons list and a 3 day waiting period in Iraq, and then it too can enjoy the peace and tranquility of East La. on a saturday night."

Haha! Now there is a good zingger! Ohio finally joined the other 46 states that allow concealed carry (praise the powers that be!). Does cutting down the barrle of a Remington 870 12 gage effect it's pattern? I'm thinking of getting a sling so I carry it while wearing a long black trench coat ala Neo.
Nigal
5:12:17 PM
5/18/04

That was a great one BB. How about when he was interviewing the owner of the biker bar and called him a #&%!$ for not wanting guns in his bar? I thought he was gonna get his ass kicked.
Violin
5:17:46 PM
5/18/04

If John Kerry gets elected President and we then find WMDs in Iraq soon afterwards, can we all agree to a revote? Thank you. You're all wonderful. This means a lot to me. Thanks again.
Buck
5:22:15 PM
5/18/04

If Bush started a war based on lies, would you urge your senators to impeach him?

(didn't think sooooooooooo)


I know... Getting thousands of people killed ain't no biggie, but lying about a blowjob is serious business.
Tilt
5:32:30 PM
5/18/04

from Salon.com especially for Buck
Losing the evangelicals?



Evangelical Christians -- who accounted for an estimated quarter of voters in the 2000 election -– skew for George W. Bush, without a doubt. But even if a small percentage stays home in November, that's bad news for Bush. Getting evangelicals to the polls in November is why Bush is talking up the constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage again.

But a Reuters story today suggests that like millions of other Americans, evangelical voters will make their decisions in November based on more than the issue of gay marriage. They, too, are feeling alienated, let down, and misled about the disaster in Iraq. And, like many of their fellow Americans, what's happening in Iraq may prevent them from turning out for Bush in November. They most likely won't turn to John Kerry. But they may just stay home.

This prospect makes Republican fear-mongering over controversial issues like gay marriage all the more likely. But will the trick work? A New York Times story over the weekend suggested it may not. There may be opposition to gay marriage among religious voters, but people in the pews don't seem to be galvanized by it. As a befuddled Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition, told the Times: "I don't see any traction. The calls aren't coming in and I am not sure why."

Maybe it's because many voters, evangelical or otherwise, get that America has bigger problems right now than who's getting married at City Hall, even if Bush tries to convince them otherwise.

-- Geraldine Sealey
Phaedrus
6:09:31 PM
5/18/04

Oops Reuters story
Phaedrus
6:12:09 PM
5/18/04

Tilt, if Bush was lying, then so were the vast majority of Democrats in Congress. Are you suggesting a massive government conspiracy agreed upon by both Democratic and Republican Senators?

Tilt, getting thousands of people saved ain't so bad either.
Buck
6:12:24 PM
5/18/04

if Bush was lying, then so were the vast majority of Democrats in Congress.

How do you figure?
Phaedrus
6:15:48 PM
5/18/04

Let America Be America Again
Langston Hughes

Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.

(America never was America to me.)

Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed--
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.

(It never was America to me.)

O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.

(There's never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.")

Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?


I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek--
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.

I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!

I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean--
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today--O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.

Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home--
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."

The free?

Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay--
Except the dream that's almost dead today.

O, let America be America again--
The land that never has been yet--
And yet must be--the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine--the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME--
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.

Sure, call me any ugly name you choose--
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states--
And make America again!
Violin
12:21:14 PM
5/21/04

Langston Hughes was one of the truly great.
Phaedrus
12:26:11 PM
5/21/04

That poem would make a great campaign theme, don't you think?
Violin
12:28:40 PM
5/21/04

Look like the same morons at work here. Nothing seems to ever change.
UpUrs
12:32:30 PM
5/21/04



Some things don't change -- That's for sure.
Tilt
12:48:19 PM
5/21/04

Is that your cousin?
UpUrs
12:55:14 PM
5/21/04

C-SPAN needs to replay these series.... American Writers I & II
Tilt
12:59:52 PM
5/21/04

UpUrs - Self portrait circa 2003, LOL
Tilt
1:01:40 PM
5/21/04

OK you got me! I actually have shorter hair now.
UpUrs
1:06:42 PM
5/21/04

My old fav by Langston Hughes
Motto

I play it cool
And dig all jive.
That’s the reason
I stay alive.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig And Be Dug
In Return.
Treebeard
1:09:14 PM
5/21/04

Dumb!
UpUrs
1:12:52 PM
5/21/04

I vote for Kerry's daughter and her see through dress.
Miss Anne Thrope
1:16:08 PM
5/21/04

Bacpac reminds me Uday Hussein with photos of the Bush Twins on his wall.

Is it any wonder?
Tilt
1:29:23 PM
5/21/04

After extensive study, Kerry's daughter has bigger guns than the Bush twins.
Buddha Bear
3:18:58 PM
5/21/04

Bigger than one twin or both twins put together?
humanpackmule
3:24:39 PM
5/21/04

Go John, Go!
Dunadan
4:01:30 PM
5/21/04

John Kerry is no different than me or you. He’s a regular Joe. Forget for one minute he’s part of the inbred Kennedy clan. Forget he’s related to the Forbes. Forget for a minutes he’s worth millions and millions. He’s one of the little people just like us. Of course the fact he now drives a Boeing 757 to work at the tune of $26,000 an hour to work means nothing. Hey we all do it! I wonder what all the libs who hate SUVs think of his apparent disregard for the environment? He did make some funny jokes (probably in an attempt to draw attention away from his audacity). He said that there were parachutes on board for press core members and would be handed out according to good stories vs. bad stories. He also said if the plane goes down his hair would serve as a flotation device.

“And while the Kerry campaign has dubbed the new plane "Freedom Bird", many in the press corps still prefer "Hair France".”

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/KerryPlane.html
Nigal
8:40:00 AM
5/26/04

Yeah, but look at the alternative.
Phaedrus
11:10:27 AM
5/26/04

The alternative would be a guarantee of a new President in 4 years.

We could get stuck with Kerry for 8.
manuka
11:50:36 AM
5/26/04

Kerry is the lesser of two evils. If he sucks he won't be reelected.
Phaedrus
11:52:02 AM
5/26/04

Hey!

It's the Repubs fault.

Y'all had 8 years during Clinton to get a good guy, and you give us Bush II!?!!

I'd rather have Dole for crying out loud!

Things go a lot better when you have a soild guy in office.

That is clearly not the case with Bush II.
laqtis
12:15:01 PM
5/26/04

laq, don't you ever get tired of being completely wrong. Gawd, that must be frustrating. Oh, well, at least you should be used to it by now.
NoProb
12:20:53 PM
5/26/04

It would probably be wise to cut your losses and abandon this sinking ship, Repubs.

When Republicans put principle over party and turned on Nixon, they ensured that they would return to the Whitehouse six years later with Reagan. Sticking by this disaster will likely damage the party for decades.

Where are the Barry Goldwaters of this generation?
Violin
12:21:12 PM
5/26/04

Where are the Barry Goldwaters of this generation?"

I've got your Berries and Goldenwater right here, buddy.

Sorry, couldn't resist a lame joke.
Mutt
12:23:46 PM
5/26/04

Violin, if I thought this was a sinking ship and voted principle over party, I certainly wouldn't wanna board Kerry's ship. For all the hooplah and hollerin', there really isn't much difference between the two big parties. Just ask Nader. Kerry is just another slick politician from a rich preppy background who will say anything to anyone at anytime to get power and votes. If you're upset at the way things are going, voting Repub or Dem is not gonna make a big difference either way. You gotta go third party for big changes. I admire guys like Perot and Nader for at least giving honest shots at changing things.
Buck
12:28:02 PM
5/26/04

Just offering a little advice, that’s all.

I’ve voted for Republicans before and would like to have the opportunity to again, but the way the party has moved lock-step with an alien who has betrayed nearly every core conservative position scares me. I’m not the cult joining type.
Violin
12:34:59 PM
5/26/04

But Violin, cults are fun and you get lots of "fringe" benefits.
Buck
12:49:37 PM
5/26/04

I think it goes beyond Bush and the GOP. I think conservatives have lost many of their conservative values. Their embrace of the Religious Wrong is proof enough of this.
Mutt
12:51:41 PM
5/26/04

It really does feel weird arguing for fiscal sanity against the party that just a short while ago made it such an important part of the contract with America.
Violin
12:55:12 PM
5/26/04

Buck's third party ticket

President

Vice President
StickmanWalking
12:56:23 PM
5/26/04

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