John Kerry for President!!!!!

“How many noble prize winners have endorsed Bush?”

“None, same as Kerry, this thread started with Nobel prizes, how did we get to Noble prizes?

Are they prizes given out by Kings and Queens and Dukes and such ?

Do you normally do research on Nobel prize endorsements before you buy things ?
How many Nobel prize winners think Ohio is a good state to live in ?
What about the car you drive, did you research what the Nobel prize winners thought ?

I fart in your direction.”

“I was going to tell you to blow it out yer ass, Mauka, but I see you have that covered! :)”

“Article

The point is, the greatest minds in the world seem to endorse Kerry, yet none endorse Bush, that I know of.

I grab you by the back of the next and force you to inhale your own fart.”

“"That you know of"

So you admit that your opinion is based on incomplete information.

Anatomically speaking where is a persons "next"?

Tree, I do not need to fart in your direction, you live on the NYC garbage dump, no fart of mine could approach the smell, I am awed and humbled.”

“Aww, whatsamatter, Manukie? Da nasty big city people took away your widdle gun?”

“Tree you seem fixated on guns, is this a penile complex ?
Coupled with a reversion to baby talk, you would make a facinating psychological study.”

“Yeah, I'm nuts because I walk the streets unarmed. I also despise the president, so that should qualify me as a certified anarchist according to Ashcroft, too. Hey, I'm just a messed up, demented, moron who likes to play with my pen!s! What's more, I have a shrunken head on a stick that I carry around.


Want to get together for a drink? It's 'take a republican to lunch' week here in the city!”

“Skerry people, scare me.

”

“Phaedrus, can you explain how Kerry plans to create tax breaks for companies to keep them from outsourcing jobs overseas as he intimates that Bush is forcing companies to do. Kerry has promised a plan for this. Can you please explain the economics of this proposal, as YOU understand it?

1. A created job tax credit
2. Close the loopholes that encourage outsourcing
3. End China's currency manipulation
4. a Buy American rule for governmental agencies
5. a one-time tax break for reinvestment of overseas funds

Do I think that this will bring an end to all outsourcing? No. I don't think anyone's interested in doing that, either (even for all your straw-man socialism arguments). What it will do is give the American worker a buffer zone in which to adjust to a new market, and create a more stable economic environment for employment.”

“Holy chit, they voted to ban my M1A1 Abrams tank, too, the dirty lying filthy commie pinko leftist conniving patriot-hating purveyors of X-rated statues like Liberty with her you-know-whats exposed that our true patriot attorney general had to cover up because it embarassed him socialist fascist dictatorial gun-hating criminal loving democrat sissy girlymen and mannishwomen scum sucking effete intellectual snobs!”

““1. A created job tax credit
2. Close the loopholes that encourage outsourcing
3. End China's currency manipulation
4. a Buy American rule for governmental agencies
5. a one-time tax break for reinvestment of overseas funds

Do I think that this will bring an end to all outsourcing? No. I don't think anyone's interested in doing that, either (even for all your straw-man socialism arguments). What it will do is give the American worker a buffer zone in which to adjust to a new market, and create a more stable economic environment for employment."

Phaedrus
09:06:46 AM
08/27/04

1. A created job tax credit

Yes, we all understand that you’re repeating things you’ve heard. WHAT CREATED JOB TAX CREDIT? Did you see where I ran some numbers on another thread?


2. Close the loopholes that encourage outsourcing

Yes, we all understand that you’re repeating things you’ve heard. WHAT LOOPHOLES? How do you see them closing? Did you see where I ran some numbers on another thread?

3. End China's currency manipulation

Yes, we all understand that you’re repeating things you’ve heard. You mean we should unilaterally force another country to comply with our monetary policy? How does this work? I don’t understand what you’re proposing here.

4. a Buy American rule for governmental agencies

Kerry proposes more government regulations? That’s just the ticket for ruining an economy. Be American, buy American right? Instead of shopping for prices on the free market, government should be forced pay more for some things just because they’re made in the US? Will you remember to do that the next time you buy a car, TV, or electronic equipment? Or will you need to be compelled by government force? What about the corresponding increase in government spending?

5. a one-time tax break for reinvestment of overseas funds

Yes, we all understand that you’re repeating things you’ve heard. How will this slow outsourcing?




There’s another thing (but surprisingly not the only thing) I don’t understand. For years I heard left-wingers talk about how the US has most of the world’s wealth and that we need to help poor countries. So here we are, outsourcing good jobs and helping poorer countries. It appears as if the left is saying that the only proper way to distribute wealth is by government mandate.





These two emails that I received recently, mesh so nicely together:



How to become a Democrat:


You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in charge.






Things I’ve learned as I’ve matured:


I've learned that artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.”

“Things you have to believe to be a Republican in 2004:

1) The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

2) The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.

3) A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

4) Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

5) Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.

6) A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.”

“Oy.

Arclite, I'm not going to go into much detail with you, since you're a prime example of the closed mindedness you rail against, but I will address at least one of your more obvious attempts at straw-man:

3. End China's currency manipulation

Yes, we all understand that you’re repeating things you’ve heard. You mean we should unilaterally force another country to comply with our monetary policy? How does this work? I don’t understand what you’re proposing here.


Ending China's manipulation of their currency value is a matter of trade, not unilateralism. It's illegal according to the WTO, and if China wants to continue trading with the US (my guess is that they do), then they need to play by the rules. If they don't, the US can take action through the WTO, through import tarriffs and trade restrictions until it is more profitable for China to let the currency move with the market as it should. Surely you've read something about this in your studies?

And you'll notice that the point about buying American is handily turned into a straw man buy implying I suggested that the government demand everyone buy American.”

“Rather than write a rant about what is illegal according to the WTO I will just post a link:

WTO questions US trade measures

This was just the first article I found but I know there is more because it had been big in the news a few months ago. The U.S. has no right to force China, or anybody else, to fight fair when we don't do so.”

“You're absolutely right, J. The Bush admin has layed down several questionable, if not outright illegal tarriffs on steel, lumber and a number of other goods - most of which come from industries with strong ties to the Bush campaign.”

“Don't be silly. Everyone knows that Bush is always talking up the benefits of free trade and that he's a 'straight shooter' who 'says what he means and means what he says'.”

“Very funny Repub post, violin. I haven't seen one that good before.

Bush is a complete mystery as to economic philosophy.

Please don't be too offended Pudrus. I will try to ignore you from now on because you make absolutely no sense.”

“You might try educating yourself a bit about the issues before demanding proof of the obvious, next time, Arclit.”

“I come back from a wilderness adventure and what do I hear on the late night radio talk shows on my 5 hour drive back from the east Sierra? Bush has not only gained ground but is now a couple/few points ahead, and even more wonderfully surprising... he's ahead in electoral counts now as well! Still within the margin of error, and still too early to tell, but great news for this guy! I backpacked with a liberal guy too, we had fun with this stuff! I think all this angry protesting is backfiring on liberals. America doesn't like that kind of stuff. I hope the protesting gets nasty and disruptive, it only hurts them and makes Bush look stronger. Same with all the rock-n-roll stars on tour for Kerry... people love their music but not their values so it works against them.

I love what Alice Cooper has to say about the rock-n-rollers on tour for Kerry. To me it explains why in reality it's backfiring:

”If you’re listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you’re a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we’re morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal."

“To me, that’s treason. I call it treason against rock ‘n’ roll because rock is the antithesis of politics. Rock should never be in bed with politics,” says the 56-year-old Cooper, who begins a 15-city Canadian tour on Aug. 20 in Thunder Bay, Ont.”

“I loved that quote Buck. Limousine liberals have about as much in common with John Q. Public as the politicians do. And if you look at the ones who crow the loudest it’s obvious they are on the backside of their careers. When was the last time Springtien did anything worth a crap? When was the last time Pearl Jam had a hit? When was the last time Alec Baldwin did anything worth a crap? Pearl Harbor? HA! The funniest thing is when that old fart Lou Grant tries to make himself relevant again. Ever heard him in an interview talking politics? He is so ignorant of the facts it’s scary anyone gives him a microphone.”

“I’d be willing to bet that there are far more Republicans being toted around in limousines than Democrats.

Them at least I can understand. They’re voting for the party that represents their interests best.

The poor brainwashed middle class people who vote Republican against their own class interests are the ones that confound me. They’ve been conned by the whole culture war ‘values’ routine.

Time to wake up folks.”

“Yeeeeeah...whatever you say V. Whatever you say...”

“What confounds me is that you can continiously spout off with all the lies and hate, day after day, and still expect anyone to take you seriuosly.”

“Good comeback fellas.”

“LMFAO!”

“"V" did you cut and paste that?”

“Here's the GOP version of limousine liberals. Now I see why Nigal is so upset over the Dem celebrities.

Limousine Republicans?”

“I'm assuming you guys got an invite to Grover Norquist's yacht party at the New York Yacht Club tonight. You know, the guy with Americans for Tax Justice - The ones who want to do away with all the commie programs that give you clean water and decent working conditions?

I'm sure it will be a swell time.

What? No invite? Maybe they'll let you clean up afterwards and take the leftovers home with you if you're lucky.”

“I'm only voting for Bush because ZZ Top told me so.”

“Juice Newton told me to vote for Nader”

“I'm waiting for orders from Toby Keith.”

“Shoot, I just got a very convincing phone call from the Dixie Chicks. What to do... what to do...”

“"Juice Newton told me to vote for Nader"

Wounded Knee
05:20:26 PM
08/30/04

She told me to vote for Bush! She's playing both sides of the fence.”

“"I think all this angry protesting is backfiring on liberals. America doesn't like that kind of stuff." -- Buck

Haven't you ever taken a public stand on anything? Protesting, by its very nature, is angry. It's also a fantastic way to voice your opinion. 250 people arrested out of over 100,000 is hardly a high margin. And most of those were bicyclists.

God told Bush he wanted him to be president. I guess that's all the Repubs needed to hear...”

“roseymonster, "protesting" does not have to be "angry" and disruptive and pissed-off. You can show discontent in a positive way.

Believe me, radical anti-war protesters and radical environmental activists and the like do more harm to their cause than good. It works both ways too for any side. The news coverage is gonna show the exciting news, the radicals, the people making waves. I hope it gets out of hand and they try and disrupt the Republican Convention because it will only backfire with your average Joe. IMHO. We'll see.”

“anyone notice that the backdrop for the RNC looks like the Empire of Japan's "Rising Sun" flag. Hmmmm what are they trying to say?”

“"I hope it gets out of hand"

Pretty typical - Republicans want the world #&%!$ed up so they can rule by fear. Sorry - I have faith in a bright future - our best years as a country are still ahead of us.”

“Tommorow's headline

"McCain Kicks Michael Moore's Silly Anti-War Ass"”

“As many have said, "Don't be hatin', man".
When I see the 100,000 demonstrators, it makes me proud to live in America.”

“Violin, you, uhhh, missed my point. It's the radical protesters who make their own causes repulsive to the masses with their extreme antics. If they are true to their form, these liberal protesters will do as they usually do, which is to go to such measures as to have it backfire on them. Time and time again. I'm just hoping they are true to their usual selves during this convention. Every little boost helps.

It's an ironic contradiction that you say Repubs want things screwed up so we can rule by fear. Uhhh... if it's the radical liberal protesters that are screwing things up themselves, all by their lonesomes, it's STILL the Republicans fault for their disruptive actions? I see how you are. I read ya. There ya go.”

“I find, more often than not, that It's the libs who PERCEIVE anyone who disagrees with them as being #&%!$ed up. I find that to be a fairly typical attitude among the libs I know. I’ve seen that most libs are unrepentant control freaks who want to save all of the rest of us THEIR way. If you don’t agree with them, they call you an idiot. That has got to be some of the most unprincipled rationalization I’ve ever seen in human behavior. Kerry, and the other Dem candidates this election cycle, are absolutely sure what’s wrong (the country is not doing what they want) but have no clear plan for improvement. They just insult people who question them.

When you have no clear plan, you never have to explain yourself. In my experience, the Volvo driving Brie and Chablis libs we have in my town tend to judge those that they disagree with by their actions, and themselves by their intentions.

Personally, I’m glad that many entertainers have lined up for the Dems. I’ve watched celebrity Jeopardy. Most are not bright people. They don’t seem to understand that they can donate their money to public works, causes, and charities without being forced by gov’mint to do so. So they advocate policy that not only forces them to give, but forces me to give to their causes. "It takes a village to accomplish things our way" they are clearly saying through their actions. It seems to be all about control for social "conservatives" and economic "liberals".”

“I am voting for arclite.”

“
Supports GWB”

“"You can show discontent in a positive way."

Buck
07:49:13 PM
08/30/04

Hey, I'm just following the lead of our president when he shows discontent toward complex foriegn problems. Shoot first and ask questions later.”

“And what about the truck-drivin', Pabst Blue Ribbon libs?”

“Kerry made a big mistake when he set the theme of the Democratic convention about four months of his life thirty years ago.”

“Since the current leadership has no character or valor themselves, and thier constituiants take everything they say as true, then naturally it was a big mistake for Kerry to point out that he has character and valor. Now republicans will NEVER vote for him.”

“"then naturally it was a big mistake for Kerry to point out that he has character and valor."

Wow Buddha Bush, what flavor Kool Aid you drinking today? Don't the lies that sKerry has been busted on even bother you a teeny tiny bit? Your expectations of character must be very low, but then again, I've always held you in low character.”